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Post by werrington on Sept 7, 2024 12:50:17 GMT
Don't think he should be forced to sing it, but it's hypocritical to take the money and represent a country you have no respect for. Which he obviously doesn't Aah the good old fall back argument Took a few pages but we got there in the end |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 7, 2024 12:57:36 GMT
Don't think he should be forced to sing it, but it's hypocritical to take the money and represent a country you have no respect for. Which he obviously doesn't No respect for the country he's coached soe truly talented players with and won a a big trophy with.. in opposition to the manager who won the Euros in July? No respect? Ferfuxache. |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Sept 7, 2024 13:10:48 GMT
Maybe not, but you have to admit, singing the care for a king or queen, when a good portion of people struggle, and the people you are singing about have no real way of understanding your life, because they don't have any worries, apart from a few family members straying out of line. As long as they keep their keep. I feel very English but the anthem means very little to me. 2 of the Royal family are having treatment for cancer...so I would think they do have worries |
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 7, 2024 13:12:05 GMT
I believe he played for the RoI but he's been brought up in England. He didn't sing the RoI anthem and he won't sing the English one. That makes him a wise man in my eyes. Well done to him for explaining his position.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 7, 2024 13:13:44 GMT
Maybe not, but you have to admit, singing the care for a king or queen, when a good portion of people struggle, and the people you are singing about have no real way of understanding your life, because they don't have any worries, apart from a few family members straying out of line. As long as they keep their keep. I feel very English but the anthem means very little to me. 2 of the Royal family are having treatment for cancer...so I would think they do have worries And they’ll have the best doctors and resources at their fingertips, unlike the working man that joins at the back of the queue… |
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Post by werrington on Sept 7, 2024 13:15:45 GMT
I see the Mail are going full Mail Stuart Pearce is what we need |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Sept 7, 2024 13:17:12 GMT
It’s a horrendous anthem that says nothing of the achievements of ordinary people; instead focusing solely on the monarch, in a country where many people are either indifferent to feudalism or see it as an anachronism. Compare it to land of my fathers, which speaks of the beauty of wales and the culture/heritage; and it’s clear to me why our anthem inspires such controversy compared to theirs. Unfortunately we live in an age where we're not allowed to have any pride in our culture or heritage.. two tier kier would be locking us up for our show of English pride. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 7, 2024 13:18:14 GMT
I see the Mail are going full Mail Stuart Pearce is what we need PASHUN !! |
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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 7, 2024 13:18:41 GMT
Fair play to him.
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Post by joinerssquire on Sept 7, 2024 13:20:07 GMT
I see the Mail are going full Mail Stuart Pearce is what we need Bring back Kevin Keegan.  |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Sept 7, 2024 13:21:15 GMT
2 of the Royal family are having treatment for cancer...so I would think they do have worries And they’ll have the best doctors and resources at their fingertips, unlike the working man that joins at the back of the queue… Illness is illness and worry is worry.. no matter of money overrides that. NHS have a 2 week cancer rule. Regardless of your bank account. |
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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 7, 2024 13:34:28 GMT
Don't think he should be forced to sing it, but it's hypocritical to take the money and represent a country you have no respect for. Which he obviously doesn't Why? How do you know he has no respect? I have absolute respect for my country. I have respect for the military, and hurt everytime one of our own is hurt. I have a respect for a great part our hhistory.I have respect for those who fought so that I have the freedom to sing the anthem or not.I have respect for so much But I'm not a sycophant, and I certainly do not have respect for a dysfunctional family. A king that cheated on his wife, was out shagging when he needed to be with his injured son who was in hospital. A person, as we have seen, treats his staff like shit. Change the anthem to 'Land of hope and glory', I will be with you. I have great respect for my country, but I'm not going to sing any tributes to any royal. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 7, 2024 13:37:14 GMT
Don't think he should be forced to sing it, but it's hypocritical to take the money and represent a country you have no respect for. Which he obviously doesn't Why? How do you know he has no respect? I have absolute respect for my country. I have respect for the military, and hurt everytime one of our own is hurt. I have a respect for a great part our hhistory.I have respect for those who fought so that I have the freedom to sing the anthem or not.I have respect for so much But I'm not a sycophant, and I certainly do not have respect for a dysfunctional family. A king that cheated on his wife, was out shagging when he needed to be with his injured son who was in hospital. A person, as we have seen, treats his staff like shit. Change the anthem to 'Land of hope and glory', I will be with you. I have great respect for my country, but I'm not going to sing any tributes to any royal. I do regard the Royal Family as an asset to our country and history but I agree that Labd of Hope and Glory would be far better. |
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Sept 7, 2024 13:43:51 GMT
You can’t have a thread about the national anthem without Jerusalem coming up so I figured I’d oblige early 😅 I like the song, I don’t think it would make a great national anthem necessarily. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 7, 2024 13:44:39 GMT
I don't think he has no respect Did Rooney have no respect? Probably, he's a Scouser. At the end of the day I don't care, but I wouldn't make excuses for them. They are doing it for the money and that's all. Everyone works for money |
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Post by uknorse on Sept 7, 2024 13:53:01 GMT
So I've heard.. Not a good start for him... His grand mother was Irish apparently.. Hes Irish..... why would an Irish man sing the national anthem of England?.... I dont remember sven or cappello singing it either.... I dont remember the daily mail rounding up a posse to hang either of them......did Jack Charlton sing the Irish anthem when he was the manager?..... or bertie vogts sing flower of Scotland when he was briefly in charge up there?.....he can stand on a chair and sing the back catalogue of fkn ABBA for all I care.... his job is to make the team win.... not sing |
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Post by lordb on Sept 7, 2024 13:53:56 GMT
Half my family are Irish, and the relationship is a bit complicated, to say the least. There's a lot of mutual affection, but it's a bit thorny Carsley played for them for 10 yrs, and sounds like he had much more of an Irish Catholic upbringing than you'd expect of someone with only one Irish grandparent. You can't really tell someone what nationality they 'feel'. I get the impression Carsley respects both parts of his identity, but certainly doesn't want to damage his 10-yr international career with Ireland by putting some noses out of joint. Harry Kane's dad was born in Galway, but you could tell from his answers in the press conference yesterday, he doesn't feel remotely Irish. It's just such a personal thing. I haven't got a problem with anyone doing what they want in situations like this as long as they're respectful, and Carsley certainly has been. So it's a complete non-story. Actually, Harry Kane declared for Ireland and his family are Irish speakers so not entirely true. He has a strong connection with Galway and a regular visitor. I think he was playing it down a bit as he was close to not being eligible for England and visited Martin O'Neill at the Irish camp with his Dad when on loan at Norwich Bellingham, Grealish, Maddison, Maguire and Rice are all from Irish grandparents or parents. I doubt will count for anything although Bellingham did say he wanted to play for Ireland in his younger days and Jobe still may. You can't blame players for declaring for England in the current state of the Irish team, possibly the lowest ebb I've ever seen although some good youngsters coming along and of course far less chance of a Rice or Bellingham going to a major tournament with Ireland. I get Carsley's choice as an ex Ireland player in Dublin for those who know their history but it's not that important , really shouldn't have said anything if he actually did as will be turned into such a big deal in some quarters. Is there a direct quote from Carsley? How was Kane,born in England,was close to not being eligible for England? |
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Post by lordb on Sept 7, 2024 14:00:15 GMT
I see the Mail are going full Mail Stuart Pearce is what we need For what? As manager?Christ no As official anthem singer? Yes he'd be superb at it I like Pearce but he's a rubbish manager Even better if we got him singing No More Hero's |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 7, 2024 14:01:21 GMT
Actually, Harry Kane declared for Ireland and his family are Irish speakers so not entirely true. He has a strong connection with Galway and a regular visitor. I think he was playing it down a bit as he was close to not being eligible for England and visited Martin O'Neill at the Irish camp with his Dad when on loan at Norwich Bellingham, Grealish, Maddison, Maguire and Rice are all from Irish grandparents or parents. I doubt will count for anything although Bellingham did say he wanted to play for Ireland in his younger days and Jobe still may. You can't blame players for declaring for England in the current state of the Irish team, possibly the lowest ebb I've ever seen although some good youngsters coming along and of course far less chance of a Rice or Bellingham going to a major tournament with Ireland. I get Carsley's choice as an ex Ireland player in Dublin for those who know their history but it's not that important , really shouldn't have said anything if he actually did as will be turned into such a big deal in some quarters. Is there a direct quote from Carsley? How was Kane,born in England,was close to not being eligible for England? Hus parents He went to see Martin O'Neill with his Dad and declared for Ireland Ireland were playing Bosnia think it was the next month. Had he played he would have been ineligible to play for England as was a competitive game. Due to injury, he played for Spurs that weekend and scored twice and was called up to the England U21 squad and jumped ship. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 7, 2024 14:02:01 GMT
How was Kane,born in England,was close to not being eligible for England? Hus parents He went to see Martin O'Neill with his Dad and declared for Ireland Ireland were playing Bosnia think it was the next month. Had he played he would have been ineligible to play for England as was a competitive game. Due to injury, he played for Spurs that weekend and scored twice and was called up to the England U21 squad and jumped ship. His family are Irish and Irish speakers |
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Post by lordb on Sept 7, 2024 14:05:24 GMT
How was Kane,born in England,was close to not being eligible for England? Hus parents He went to see Martin O'Neill with his Dad and declared for Ireland Ireland were playing Bosnia think it was the next month. Had he played he would have been ineligible to play for England as was a competitive game. Due to injury, he played for Spurs that weekend and scored twice and was called up to the England U21 squad and jumped ship. That makes him no less eligible for England, he's born here If you mean he was close to choosing Ireland as his team that's a valid statement but he was either eligible or he wasn't, you can't be close to being eligible |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 7, 2024 14:05:30 GMT
I love how Tony Cascarino spent a whole career with Ireland only for it to be discovered on his retirement that he had not a single drop of Irish blood in him 😆 think big Jack saw that one through..
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Post by lordb on Sept 7, 2024 14:07:07 GMT
I love how Tony Cascarino spent a whole career with Ireland only for it to be discovered on his retirement that he had not a single drop of Irish blood in him 😆 think big Jack saw that one through.. Caacarino qualified through his Irish grandmother However it turned out she wasn't his grandmother but he didn't know that till later Bizarre |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 7, 2024 14:08:40 GMT
I love how Tony Cascarino spent a whole career with Ireland only for it to be discovered on his retirement that he had not a single drop of Irish blood in him 😆 think big Jack saw that one through.. Caacarino qualified through his Irish grandmother However it turned out she wasn't his grandmother but he didn't know that till later Bizarre Yeah that was it. Either way a humorous tale. Stoke could do with a prime Cascarino.. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 7, 2024 14:13:13 GMT
Hus parents He went to see Martin O'Neill with his Dad and declared for Ireland Ireland were playing Bosnia think it was the next month. Had he played he would have been ineligible to play for England as was a competitive game. Due to injury, he played for Spurs that weekend and scored twice and was called up to the England U21 squad and jumped ship. That makes him no less eligible for England, he's born here If you mean he was close to choosing Ireland as his team that's a valid statement but he was either eligible or he wasn't, you can't be close to being eligible Don't you have a lad from the Ivory Coast playing? |
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Post by lordb on Sept 7, 2024 14:15:51 GMT
That makes him no less eligible for England, he's born here If you mean he was close to choosing Ireland as his team that's a valid statement but he was either eligible or he wasn't, you can't be close to being eligible Don't you have a lad from the Ivory Coast playing? I don't think you understand the word eligible |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 7, 2024 14:16:36 GMT
Don't you have a lad from the Ivory Coast playing? I don't think you understand the word eligible I do I played it at Scrabble once |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 7, 2024 14:32:21 GMT
Strange how things change isn't it ?
My Dad used to tell me me that when he was working in London, outside of Camden and Kilburn, he couldn't get served in a pub .
Now you can't move for British in Dublin tourist taps like Temple Bar and and Irish pubs abroad , chances are is swamped by English and Scots.
A good thing for me
Anyway, you rarely beat us, have never beaten us at a major tournament but can see a rare win on Irish soil tonight. 😉Just way too good a team at the min.
Ireland have little to offer but should be a good atmosphere
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Post by Roger Everyone on Sept 7, 2024 14:34:55 GMT
Who cares
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 7, 2024 14:36:08 GMT
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