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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 1, 2024 11:04:13 GMT
It could be Messi on loan and it wouldn’t be a different answer 🤷♂️🤣 Lee Hendrie ? |
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Post by lordb on Sept 1, 2024 11:05:25 GMT
It could be Messi on loan and it wouldn’t be a different answer 🤷♂️🤣 Lee Hendrie ? Excellent example of just how a really good loan can work |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2024 11:06:51 GMT
It could be Messi on loan and it wouldn’t be a different answer 🤷♂️🤣 Lee Hendrie ? The exception. |
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Post by werrington on Sept 1, 2024 11:08:14 GMT
We had 10 years of premiership football thanks to the loan market getting us there
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 1, 2024 11:08:22 GMT
He's been the only good loan in our history? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2024 11:09:03 GMT
Excellent example of just how a really good loan can work He was good first time and then crap second time. But again we needed that midfield player. Like Philips actually. We need him. Moran and Koumas are good players but we have our own who are just as good now and they shouldn’t be used ahead. Good competition for sure and good for that but I’d rather Sidibe, Junho and Manhoef got the game time if it’s a choice. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2024 11:10:10 GMT
He's been the only good loan in our history? 🤦♂️Hackett was making a joke I thought, I was saying I’d have Hendrie over Messi….nevermind. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 1, 2024 11:10:25 GMT
Stein,Shawcross shouldn't have been played in key positions when they were on loan because they were blocking our own players
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 1, 2024 11:11:21 GMT
He's been the only good loan in our history? 🤦♂️Hackett was making a joke I thought, I was saying I’d have Hendrie over Messi….nevermind. Hendrie was better than Messi when we had him, that's not a joke. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2024 11:12:32 GMT
We had 10 years of premiership football thanks to the loan market getting us there And again they improved the first team and were better than what we had. Well some were. Mainly Shawcross. Griffin actually blocked Wilko and it was nearly to our detriment and it was only when he got injured we got out of our slump and got the wins near the end that we needed. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 1, 2024 11:20:14 GMT
But what if he's the next Zidane, who could shoot us to the top of the table? Just to make the point hypothetically, are you suggesting that if we could have Phil Foden on loan for the season, you would prefer Junho to start ahead of him? I couldn’t give a shit, he’s a loanee. And yes. You don’t get loanees for where your better players already play. You couldn't give a shit if we could loan a player with the quality to get us back into the Prem? OK. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 1, 2024 11:23:39 GMT
We had 10 years of premiership football thanks to the loan market getting us there And again they improved the first team and were better than what we had. Well some were. Mainly Shawcross. Griffin actually blocked Wilko and it was nearly to our detriment and it was only when he got injured we got out of our slump and got the wins near the end that we needed. But you don't know if Moran is better than what we have, as you've admitted you've only seen him play once. You wouldn't have even given Shawcross the opportunity to play, to find out. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2024 11:26:56 GMT
I couldn’t give a shit, he’s a loanee. And yes. You don’t get loanees for where your better players already play. You couldn't give a shit if we could loan a player with the quality to get us back into the Prem? OK. Not if they play in a position we have a player that is good there already and own no. It makes no sense. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 1, 2024 11:27:55 GMT
We had 10 years of premiership football thanks to the loan market getting us there And again they improved the first team and were better than what we had. Well some were. Mainly Shawcross. Griffin actually blocked Wilko and it was nearly to our detriment and it was only when he got injured we got out of our slump and got the wins near the end that we needed. Griffin was vital in that promotion team on and off the pitch |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2024 11:27:56 GMT
And again they improved the first team and were better than what we had. Well some were. Mainly Shawcross. Griffin actually blocked Wilko and it was nearly to our detriment and it was only when he got injured we got out of our slump and got the wins near the end that we needed. But you don't know if Moran is better than what we have, as you've admitted you've only seen him play once. You wouldn't have even given Shawcross the opportunity to play, to find out. I would. Just like I want Philips in the team because he’s significantly better than what we have. Moran isn’t. And Cundle definitely isn’t. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2024 11:28:25 GMT
And again they improved the first team and were better than what we had. Well some were. Mainly Shawcross. Griffin actually blocked Wilko and it was nearly to our detriment and it was only when he got injured we got out of our slump and got the wins near the end that we needed. Griffin was vital in that promotion team on and off the pitch The only vital thing he did was get injured against Coventry. He was a liability. |
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Post by ceejays on Sept 1, 2024 11:34:34 GMT
Cundle was number one on SS list but not at £4m . He improves the team significantly. Moreover he’s a team player . He’s mature beyond his years and doesn’t moan ( like Baker did internally) . He trains properly. I’m sure you all remember SS words on those that didn’t train properly- mmaee Vidigal etc . So Cundle brings a lot to the party. The one loan spot still vacant and come January I fully expect SS to return to the wolves negotiating table . I hope so cuz he’s a diamond . Much like Wilmot
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Post by lordb on Sept 1, 2024 11:35:09 GMT
But you don't know if Moran is better than what we have, as you've admitted you've only seen him play once. You wouldn't have even given Shawcross the opportunity to play, to find out. I would. Just like I want Philips in the team because he’s significantly better than what we have. Moran isn’t. And Cundle definitely isn’t. Moran's performance at Middlesbrough was better than any game Junho has played in a central position |
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Sept 1, 2024 11:53:10 GMT
Excellent example of just how a really good loan can work He was good first time and then crap second time. But again we needed that midfield player. Like Philips actually. We need him. Moran and Koumas are good players but we have our own who are just as good now and they shouldn’t be used ahead. Good competition for sure and good for that but I’d rather Sidibe, Junho and Manhoef got the game time if it’s a choice. We have no players as good as Moran or Koumas in those positions. Give your head a wobble. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2024 12:03:52 GMT
He was good first time and then crap second time. But again we needed that midfield player. Like Philips actually. We need him. Moran and Koumas are good players but we have our own who are just as good now and they shouldn’t be used ahead. Good competition for sure and good for that but I’d rather Sidibe, Junho and Manhoef got the game time if it’s a choice. We have no players as good as Moran or Koumas in those positions. Give your head a wobble. Manhoef is better than the pair of them now. Junho needs the game time to get to that level but is about the same level already. Sidibe is about the same level too and will probably be better than the lot. But that’s a toss up between him and Koumas. |
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Post by pieofpeter on Sept 1, 2024 13:07:13 GMT
It could be Messi on loan and it wouldn’t be a different answer 🤷♂️🤣 Lee Hendrie ? Hendrie and Diao first time around were sensational and started it all off. |
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Post by spiderpuss on Sept 1, 2024 13:11:48 GMT
Hope he had a nice weekend, perhaps doing diy or the dishes. Until another thrilling time in two weeks!
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 1, 2024 13:12:58 GMT
But you don't know if Moran is better than what we have, as you've admitted you've only seen him play once. You wouldn't have even given Shawcross the opportunity to play, to find out. I would. Just like I want Philips in the team because he’s significantly better than what we have. Moran isn’t. And Cundle definitely isn’t. Who exactly is better in that position than Moran or Cundle. I think I know who you are going to say but he doesn't play in that attacking midfield role but is seen as more of a deep lying midfielder by the coach. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 1, 2024 13:34:08 GMT
But you don't know if Moran is better than what we have, as you've admitted you've only seen him play once. You wouldn't have even given Shawcross the opportunity to play, to find out. I would. Just like I want Philips in the team because he’s significantly better than what we have. Moran isn’t. And Cundle definitely isn’t. How can you say Moran isn't, when you've only seen him play once? It's like saying you wouldn't want Messi playing in the team because your ONLY knowledge of him, is having watched him play once. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 1, 2024 13:36:15 GMT
You couldn't give a shit if we could loan a player with the quality to get us back into the Prem? OK. Not if they play in a position we have a player that is good there already and own no. It makes no sense. It makes every sense, if that player is key to getting us promoted to the Prem. And then we actually have a much better chance of keeping the player as a result. |
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Sept 1, 2024 13:38:47 GMT
We have no players as good as Moran or Koumas in those positions. Give your head a wobble. Manhoef is better than the pair of them now. Junho needs the game time to get to that level but is about the same level already. Sidibe is about the same level too and will probably be better than the lot. But that’s a toss up between him and Koumas. Manhoef plays a different position. I don't think you really understand how good Moran and Koumas are. They will be top top players, we don't have anything like this in our squad in those positions. Sidibe plays as a CM, and Bae has a long way to go, limited output from him |
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 1, 2024 14:00:13 GMT
Virtually every decent Champ team has a sprinkling of stardust added by loan players. We've done it since the days of Our Tone, and no doubt will do it as long as we stay in this league. Even when you go up, then loans from the top 6 or so Prem teams continue to be an option as you develop a squad able to stay up.
It gets you players you either cannot afford or the loaning club have no intention of selling.
The balance must be kept between players you own and loan, not blocking out the former for the latter, of course, but to refuse to use the loan market denies you a rich source of talented players.
We have 4 excellent young loan players this season who will greatly add to the strength of our squad. Schuey has also already shown that there is a pathway to the first team for the likes of Tezgel, Sidibe and Dixon.
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Post by Ron on Sept 1, 2024 14:11:06 GMT
We’ve had many influential loan players over the years- going back look at the impact of Taggart and Crossley. Shawcross initially a loan. Hendire was quality. Wasn’t Gallagher on loan that season he scored a load for us too??
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 1, 2024 14:15:05 GMT
And again they improved the first team and were better than what we had. Well some were. Mainly Shawcross. Griffin actually blocked Wilko and it was nearly to our detriment and it was only when he got injured we got out of our slump and got the wins near the end that we needed. Griffin was vital in that promotion team on and off the pitch And a better player |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 1, 2024 14:25:01 GMT
I couldn’t give a shit, he’s a loanee. And yes. You don’t get loanees for where your better players already play. You couldn't give a shit if we could loan a player with the quality to get us back into the Prem? OK. This is where Bayerns obdurate intractable characteristics make him look foolish |
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