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Post by Pottersfan on Aug 24, 2024 23:59:26 GMT
Juniors young , learning curve.
Gooch though was horrendous. Reminded me of a 2 year old kid chasing a balloon. All enthusiastic but fucking no where near it
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Post by kevkj on Aug 25, 2024 0:03:16 GMT
People sticking up for Junior going on about inverted wingback.
He was not today,just shite.
One occasion he had a 50/50 chase in their half defensively and backed off.Not sure if they scored off that.
The bloke looks league 2 to me sorry.
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 25, 2024 7:52:27 GMT
Junior is not being helped by his coach.
Play a straight back 4.
Tell the defenders their first job is to defend.
Junior and Bocat are both new to this level and would benefit from clearly defined roles.
Junior, Wilmot, Gibson, Bocat, with a compact midfield, has a chance of being a decent defence.
Gooch is not a left winger. Yesterday he seemed to be totally confused. Was he in a front 3, a wing back, midfield? I couldn’t work it out and neither could he.
He is a limited player: give him a clearly defined role and he can do an OK job( he was good at PNE last year for example).
Schumacher hung him out to dry yesterday.
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Post by neilethere on Aug 25, 2024 8:44:20 GMT
It was obvious after 20 minutes that Gooch was a disaster. Why oh why not move Bae out wide, where he excelled at the end of last season, and bring on another of the 300 midfield players we seem to have collected. Gooch is definitely NOT a left winger and only Schumacher sees him as one.
We lost yesterday because of poor team selection and diabolical substitutions.
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Post by premieraj on Aug 25, 2024 9:04:20 GMT
Big gaps again down the sides which both Watford and Albion exploited with simple switch of play?
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Post by idle on Aug 25, 2024 9:06:17 GMT
ooch is decent backup, but not someone we should be looking at as a regular starter, both Gooch and Stevens could possibly to with moving on and replacing with better quality if we do have genuine plans to move forward though Stevens is our best defender by some distance. It was no coincidence our form picked up when he came into the side in spring. His problem is that he's injured more than half the time. |
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 25, 2024 9:41:42 GMT
Junior is not being helped by his coach. Play a straight back 4. Tell the defenders their first job is to defend. Junior and Bocat are both new to this level and would benefit from clearly defined roles. Junior, Wilmot, Gibson, Bocat, with a compact midfield, has a chance of being a decent defence. Gooch is not a left winger. Yesterday he seemed to be totally confused. Was he in a front 3, a wing back, midfield? I couldn’t work it out and neither could he. He is a limited player: give him a clearly defined role and he can do an OK job( he was good at PNE last year for example). Schumacher hung him out to dry yesterday. Can you have a compact midfield and still play the kind of front-foot style that Schuey aspires to? |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 25, 2024 9:45:21 GMT
ooch is decent backup, but not someone we should be looking at as a regular starter, both Gooch and Stevens could possibly to with moving on and replacing with better quality if we do have genuine plans to move forward though Stevens is our best defender by some distance. It was no coincidence our form picked up when he came into the side in spring. His problem is that he's injured more than half the time. Do you reckon he’ll replace Bocat then when he’s fit? |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 25, 2024 10:14:46 GMT
Stevens is our best defender by some distance. It was no coincidence our form picked up when he came into the side in spring. His problem is that he's injured more than half the time. Do you reckon he’ll replace Bocat then when he’s fit? Almost certainly. At least for 4 or 5 games before he gets injured again |
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Post by idle on Aug 25, 2024 10:22:13 GMT
Stevens is our best defender by some distance. It was no coincidence our form picked up when he came into the side in spring. His problem is that he's injured more than half the time. Do you reckon he’ll replace Bocat then when he’s fit? If I was Schuey, yes. Bocat needs half a year to get used to english football. Although he's done fairly well, IMO. |
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 25, 2024 10:27:26 GMT
Was Junior yesterday worse than Junior at Cardiff last season?
If so then why oh why stick with the same ideas that were so blatantly obvious to all in the away end that day would not work then, and will not work now!
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Post by onepara on Aug 25, 2024 11:57:12 GMT
A quick analysis of all of the above posts, is that our Manager/Chief coach is out of his depth, & doesn't know how to use the players that he has responsibility for. If the players are as confused as we supporters are, & it seems to me that they are, then that's down to him. He won't be here long, because he's not the man that we need. Not experienced enough.
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Post by raythesailor on Aug 25, 2024 12:14:07 GMT
I had great hopes for Junior but have been disappointed with him so far this season.
I thought he had lots of natural talent but wonder if all this coaching has got into his head and is stopping him from playing to his strengths and natural game.
Watford and WBA yesterday seemed to be targeting him as a perceived weakness.
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Post by karl on Aug 25, 2024 12:51:41 GMT
Junior is a right back being asked to play rwb. We need a rwb if we want to play that system.
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Post by idle on Aug 25, 2024 13:11:44 GMT
A quick analysis of all of the above posts, is that our Manager/Chief coach is out of his depth, & doesn't know how to use the players that he has responsibility for. If the players are as confused as we supporters are, & it seems to me that they are, then that's down to him. He won't be here long, because he's not the man that we need. Not experienced enough. I'd add that he's being kinda let down from the recruitment team. The failure of getting rid of surplus midfielders and especially signing a striker isn't down to Schuey. There's less than a week left to rectify this, fingers crossed they'll fix it or Schuey is gonna get the sack. I'll be very sceptical of who Walters will bring in to replace him. |
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 25, 2024 13:17:49 GMT
I think just adding some aggression to his game would go a long way for Junior.
There have been a few occasions so far this season where he’s backed out of challenging for a 50/50 ball in favour of retreating to take up a defensive position. He should never be getting beaten as easily as he did at the back post for their first goal yesterday too.
He’s a big, powerful lad, he should back himself to win a lot more duels than he loses.
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 25, 2024 14:41:53 GMT
Junior is not being helped by his coach. Play a straight back 4. Tell the defenders their first job is to defend. Junior and Bocat are both new to this level and would benefit from clearly defined roles. Junior, Wilmot, Gibson, Bocat, with a compact midfield, has a chance of being a decent defence. Gooch is not a left winger. Yesterday he seemed to be totally confused. Was he in a front 3, a wing back, midfield? I couldn’t work it out and neither could he. He is a limited player: give him a clearly defined role and he can do an OK job( he was good at PNE last year for example). Schumacher hung him out to dry yesterday. Can you have a compact midfield and still play the kind of front-foot style that Schuey aspires to? Maybe not, but if we continue to be that open, with raw, inexperienced full backs who seem totally confused as to their roles we will ship more goals than we score. One really strong, disciplined midfielder may allow the others to be more progressive but hard as Thompson tries he isn't that player. Good only knows what Laurent's role is. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 25, 2024 14:51:48 GMT
Can you have a compact midfield and still play the kind of front-foot style that Schuey aspires to? Maybe not, but if we continue to be that open, with raw, inexperienced full backs who seem totally confused as to their roles we will ship more goals than we score. One really strong, disciplined midfielder may allow the others to be more progressive but hard as Thompson tries he isn't that player. Good only knows what Laurent's role is. Laurents job is to make sure we have 11 players on the pitch. |
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Post by stokest5 on Aug 25, 2024 15:02:03 GMT
Junior is a right back being asked to play rwb. We need a rwb if we want to play that system. Junior is a rwb. He’s said so in previous interviews. He can play either side if needed but more suited to the right. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 25, 2024 15:03:04 GMT
Maybe not, but if we continue to be that open, with raw, inexperienced full backs who seem totally confused as to their roles we will ship more goals than we score. One really strong, disciplined midfielder may allow the others to be more progressive but hard as Thompson tries he isn't that player. Good only knows what Laurent's role is. Laurents job is to make sure we have 11 players on the pitch. That's the clarity and simplicity of role that Junior would benefit from. |
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Post by kustokie on Aug 25, 2024 15:26:01 GMT
Gooch on the left is an absolute horror show. This. What the hell was SS thinking |
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 25, 2024 15:33:08 GMT
Our defending needs to fundamentally change. We are far too eager to defend narrow thereby allowing the opposition to receive the ball without pressure and run at our fullbacks or get a nice cross in. Our defender constantly back off and are rarely tight to their man. It’s like we are saying you just have the ball and when you put it into the danger area we will worry about it then. Looks great if you have competent defenders at this latter stage, but we don’t…..so bloody defend tighter and get in the face of the opposition.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 25, 2024 17:35:46 GMT
We ain’t gonna win much with Thompson, Laurent and Gooch in the side. How long will it take for SS to realise this? Its not as if this hasn't been said before with these 3. They are all very average League One players. |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 25, 2024 17:46:36 GMT
Junior is a right back being asked to play rwb. We need a rwb if we want to play that system. Junior is a rwb. He’s said so in previous interviews. He can play either side if needed but more suited to the right. He definitely isn’t a wing back because the worst parts of his game are his touch, passing, control and crossing. He has the pace and power to become an okay defender but is lacking on awareness and positioning. He needs a loan to League 1 to a team with a good defensive coach and we need 1 or 2 right backs in. |
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Post by stokeoptimist on Aug 25, 2024 17:55:19 GMT
Wasn't that long ago that everyone was calling for Junior and slagging off Hoever, then he has 3 half decent games and everyone wanted him back. Now they are slagging off Junior, go figure
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Post by blackpoolred on Aug 25, 2024 17:58:29 GMT
ooch is decent backup, but not someone we should be looking at as a regular starter, both Gooch and Stevens could possibly to with moving on and replacing with better quality if we do have genuine plans to move forward though Stevens is our best defender by some distance. It was no coincidence our form picked up when he came into the side in spring. His problem is that he's injured more than half the time. Hardly played a game for Sheff U in the 2 years leading up to his friend bringing him in here. How old is he now 34/35? - might well be our best defender, but that is a reflection on how bad our recruitment has been over the last decade now, do we really want to be bringing him back into the fold at his age. Needs moving on for me |
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Post by sportsman on Aug 25, 2024 18:01:47 GMT
Wasn't that long ago that everyone was calling for Junior and slagging off Hoever, then he has 3 half decent games and everyone wanted him back. Now they are slagging off Junior, go figure I got suckered in by many on here who were pleading with the club to buy the next Gary Neville 😁 I just wish people on here would stop demanding we sign these players, be it junior, vidigal, burger. Now they’re telling the club to break the bank for cannon. If we get him they better be right on him because these fans on here are making some bad calls along with the club 😜 |
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 25, 2024 18:13:03 GMT
I think much of the stick Junior gets here is very unfair! They doubled up on him on numerous times because people playing in front of him let their man go unchallenged! In these situations it's very difficult being the fullback.  |
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Post by stokeoptimist on Aug 25, 2024 18:16:17 GMT
Wasn't that long ago that everyone was calling for Junior and slagging off Hoever, then he has 3 half decent games and everyone wanted him back. Now they are slagging off Junior, go figure I got suckered in by many on here who were pleading with the club to buy the next Gary Neville 😁 I just wish people on here would stop demanding we sign these players, be it junior, vidigal, burger. Now they’re telling the club to break the bank for cannon. If we get him they better be right on him because these fans on here are making some bad calls along with the club 😜 Seems to be a lot of Stoke fans focus on individual players too much rather than our ability to build a stable team that is used to playing with each other. We need to start building partnerships, up front, Center Half and midfield. The one position we seem to struggle more than anything else is in the full back/Wing back positions. |
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Aug 25, 2024 18:16:57 GMT
Gooch is an ok player for the squad, and he shouldn’t play unless we have injuries or need to see a game out. The scary thing with Junior and Bocat is they are the fullbacks who we are expecting to start the majority of our games this season.
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