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Post by cdlstoke on Aug 24, 2024 18:22:19 GMT
Any pass over 5 yards Thompson is done,
He gives 100% but he’s div 1 at best.
Couldn’t get in a Blackpool side at level 3 and played here regular and people wonder why we are where we are.
Shows how wank every manager we’ve had over the last few years.
Time to wake up!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2024 18:25:04 GMT
People keep slating Junior but the very first attack was a simple ball down the flank, a brilliant cross into the danger area just begging to be attacked.
That was the last we saw of him out wide.
Both he and Bocat are being hung out to dry with this ludicrous inverted full back bollocks that just doesn't work with anything other than top, top level players.
Just build a system that allows them to defend their penalty area with a sensible line and either support their wide man or overlap in attack.
It isn't rocket science. We aren't reinventing the wheel here.
I feel really, really sorry for Junior. Bocat will be next for the fans ire and it's nowt to do with him and his ability either.
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Post by marwood on Aug 24, 2024 18:26:31 GMT
We were total poo of the canine again. dont sugar coat it We were 1970s Council estate White Dog Shit |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 24, 2024 18:28:19 GMT
People keep slating Junior but the very first attack was a simple ball down the flank, a brilliant cross into the danger area just begging to be attacked. That was the last we saw of him out wide. Both he and Bocat are being hung out to dry with this ludicrous inverted full back bollocks that just doesn't work with anything other than top, top level players. Just build a system that allows them to defend their penalty area with a sensible line and either support their wide man or overlap in attack. It isn't rocket science. We aren't reinventing the wheel here. I feel really, really sorry for Junior. Bocat will be next for the fans ire and it's nowt to do with him and his ability either. I seriously don’t think he’s capable of defending properly whatever system he’s in but time will tell on that one |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 24, 2024 18:29:39 GMT
Junior just looks very leggy to me and unfit.
His one on one defending also needs to be improved - most wingers seem to get past him with ease.
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Post by pottersrule on Aug 24, 2024 18:53:50 GMT
Junior is still young, hopefully he will improve, not good enough to be starting though. Gooch is okay as an option off the bench when we are in front and need some energy (so not very often), shouldn’t be anywhere near the starting lineup though. Wilmot, Thompson, and Laurent were all poor. Bocat some good moments but also some bad, too early to judge. Not sure on the keeper yet, but again, too early to judge. We need some ins and outs next week to freshen this squad up, and we really could do with a few of the injured players back. Funny how we see games differently.Thought Wilmot was excellent. |
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 24, 2024 18:58:15 GMT
Junior has the potential to be a decent no-nonsense Championship full back. What he doesn't have is the potential to play as some sort of inverted wing back. Any idiot can see that.
Gooch absolutely can't defend on his wrong side. Players skip past him like he's not there.
The manager is letting both of them down, badly.
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Post by ceejays on Aug 24, 2024 19:05:18 GMT
Think you went to a different match to the one I saw . As my mother used to say to me and my brother did you go the same match . Funny old game isn’t it ?
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 24, 2024 19:09:32 GMT
His brother doesn't seem to be a fan of what he's being asked to do I'd like to see a heat map because I would have said that he played as a conventional wing back today and spent much more time out wide, although we did somehow contrive to still be very narrow. |
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Post by ceejays on Aug 24, 2024 19:11:28 GMT
The full backs were not inverted today . The 3 in the 4231 formation were inverted
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Post by sportsman on Aug 24, 2024 19:17:32 GMT
Why are people trying make excuses for him about inverted, and attacking. I’m on about being a full back and just basic defending which I don’t see him doing at all.
The one that sticks in my mind was the Coventry game still where they were attacking the south stand and the ball was coming to him and he looked over his should, saw a Coventry forward closing him down and he still dwelled on the ball instead of getting rid and they nearly scored. The fact he even looked behind him and still chose to do what he did really concerns me as a footballer and decision making.
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Post by moon on Aug 24, 2024 19:18:45 GMT
Junior is still young, hopefully he will improve, not good enough to be starting though. Gooch is okay as an option off the bench when we are in front and need some energy (so not very often), shouldn’t be anywhere near the starting lineup though. Wilmot, Thompson, and Laurent were all poor. Bocat some good moments but also some bad, too early to judge. Not sure on the keeper yet, but again, too early to judge. We need some ins and outs next week to freshen this squad up, and we really could do with a few of the injured players back. Funny how we see games differently.Thought Wilmot was excellent. He was okay by his standards, aside from a horror moment in the first half where he tried to turn as last man back and lost the ball, luckily the ref gave a foul. His long passing was usually to the opposition or out of play. I thought he was excellent against Coventry but not today or against Watford. Perhaps I’m overly harsh on him, I just can’t forget some of the horror performances of last season and as a result I don’t rate him, it would take a significant upturn in form for me to be happy to see him starting at CB for us. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 24, 2024 19:55:18 GMT
People keep slating Junior but the very first attack was a simple ball down the flank, a brilliant cross into the danger area just begging to be attacked. That was the last we saw of him out wide. Both he and Bocat are being hung out to dry with this ludicrous inverted full back bollocks that just doesn't work with anything other than top, top level players. Just build a system that allows them to defend their penalty area with a sensible line and either support their wide man or overlap in attack. It isn't rocket science. We aren't reinventing the wheel here. I feel really, really sorry for Junior. Bocat will be next for the fans ire and it's nowt to do with him and his ability either. Maybe the manager is also letting him down, I don’t think it looks an easy task to play in whatever system we’re trying, but the basics should still remain. Excellent cross aside, he wasn’t much good for the rest. I hope he comes good for us but I can’t see it being this season. If he carries on playing, we will not have a good season. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2024 19:58:41 GMT
People keep slating Junior but the very first attack was a simple ball down the flank, a brilliant cross into the danger area just begging to be attacked. That was the last we saw of him out wide. Both he and Bocat are being hung out to dry with this ludicrous inverted full back bollocks that just doesn't work with anything other than top, top level players. Just build a system that allows them to defend their penalty area with a sensible line and either support their wide man or overlap in attack. It isn't rocket science. We aren't reinventing the wheel here. I feel really, really sorry for Junior. Bocat will be next for the fans ire and it's nowt to do with him and his ability either. Maybe the manager is also letting him down, I don’t think it looks an easy task to play in whatever system we’re trying, but the basics should still remain. Excellent cross aside, he wasn’t much good for the rest. I hope he comes good for us but I can’t see it being this season. If he carries on playing, we will not have a good season. I'm struggling to think of a player that a FFP limited, mid to lower Championship side could buy at right and left back to implement the style the manager is forcing on them though? Tchamadeu is every inch a stay at home right back in the short term, and an overlapping right back in the mid term future. Bocat is an overlapping full back now. The sight of them camped in the channels on the edge of the box for periods in the second half was enough to make you weep. |
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Post by slother on Aug 24, 2024 20:33:18 GMT
I don't want to see Bobcat in a Stoke shirt again. He looks so out of his depth and he knows it.
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Post by gingerninja on Aug 24, 2024 20:37:29 GMT
Gooch on the left is an absolute horror show.
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Post by lordb on Aug 24, 2024 20:43:58 GMT
People keep slating Junior but the very first attack was a simple ball down the flank, a brilliant cross into the danger area just begging to be attacked. That was the last we saw of him out wide. Both he and Bocat are being hung out to dry with this ludicrous inverted full back bollocks that just doesn't work with anything other than top, top level players. Just build a system that allows them to defend their penalty area with a sensible line and either support their wide man or overlap in attack. It isn't rocket science. We aren't reinventing the wheel here. I feel really, really sorry for Junior. Bocat will be next for the fans ire and it's nowt to do with him and his ability either. We don't play with inverted fullbacks Absolute myth Last week we played with a narrow back 4 with no protection from the wide players This week we played 352 out of possession and 433 in possession with no protection from the wide players Gooch had a very poor game and Junior got beat easy too Bocat at LWB would have made more sense with Phillips or Dixon in a back 3 |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 24, 2024 20:46:24 GMT
Only positive was Koumas! true the only bright spark was Koumas and when the ever useless Mmaee comes on he's stuck out on the wing That is his position wide left forward. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 24, 2024 20:53:00 GMT
People keep slating Junior but the very first attack was a simple ball down the flank, a brilliant cross into the danger area just begging to be attacked. That was the last we saw of him out wide. Both he and Bocat are being hung out to dry with this ludicrous inverted full back bollocks that just doesn't work with anything other than top, top level players. Just build a system that allows them to defend their penalty area with a sensible line and either support their wide man or overlap in attack. It isn't rocket science. We aren't reinventing the wheel here. I feel really, really sorry for Junior. Bocat will be next for the fans ire and it's nowt to do with him and his ability either. They’re not playing as inverted FB’s the problems are coming from them defending very narrow and who’s meant to be covering the flanks they’re vacating. That’s not an inverted FB problem. It’s a not having a sound and clear defensive structure problem. Asking designated forwards to be part of your basic defensive structure is not sound thinking. Attackers need to be able to concentrate on attacking and help out where they can. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 24, 2024 20:55:49 GMT
His brother doesn't seem to be a fan of what he's being asked to do I don't think anyone apart from the manager thinks it's a good idea. |
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Post by potters11 on Aug 24, 2024 21:25:38 GMT
When we look back and see all the hype around the Junior signing at the time and what a prospect he appeared to be🤷♂️WTAF has happened since? Yes you can blame the manager or the system which exposes him but fuck me he offers absolutely nothing in any shape or form. He can’t defend to save his life in my opinion and you can open the gates when he gets forward🙄 Did he play regularly for Colchester because I’m really struggling to see him as a footballer so far I agree mate he’s definitely the weakest player in our starting XI right now and the fact it’s a no brainer with some of the dross we have speaks volumes. There was a player in there before he went to the African cup of nations, something has happened since then. At this point I’m starting to wonder if the real Tchamadeu is still in Africa and this player playing is somone impersonating him. I can’t see how he starts games again for quite some time. |
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Post by blackpoolred on Aug 24, 2024 22:29:54 GMT
Junior is a young a young lad who has not played regular footy at this level and needs time, if he is not getting regular game time then at his age probably needs to be loaned out to a level 3 team.
Gooch is decent backup, but not someone we should be looking at as a regular starter, both Gooch and Stevens could possibly to with moving on and replacing with better quality if we do have genuine plans to move forward though
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 24, 2024 22:37:15 GMT
I've not a clue whether we're playing with inverted full backs or not, all I do know is that we're weak as fuck down both defensive flanks and opposing teams are making hay until the coach realises we have a major issue in full back positions, inverted or not.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 24, 2024 22:39:16 GMT
Junior is a young a young lad who has not played regular footy at this level and needs time, if he is not getting regular game time then at his age probably needs to be loaned out to a level 3 team. Gooch is decent backup, but not someone we should be looking at as a regular starter, both Gooch and Stevens could possibly to with moving on and replacing with better quality if we do have genuine plans to move forward though We desperately need Stevens in that defence, that's how desperate things are. |
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Post by swampySCFC on Aug 24, 2024 22:44:04 GMT
What does SS expect out of Gooch????? His goal record is 💩 and he offers nothing otherwise
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Post by kevkj on Aug 24, 2024 22:46:57 GMT
Stop making excuses for Junior about.inverted for Junior .He wasnt today utter wank mind.No where near the level required.
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Post by mickstupp on Aug 24, 2024 22:48:31 GMT
Hearing the name Gooch read out when the team gets announced on Radio Stoke puts me in a bad mood before I even get to the stadium. He not been helped by being played on the wrong side of the pitch, but my God this bloke is dreadful. I can only hope that some mug comes along in the next week or so and takes him off our hands.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 24, 2024 22:49:36 GMT
Re-Junior, he's young, inexperienced and we don't know what's being asked of him!!!
That said, he was pretty woeful today!!!
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 24, 2024 23:41:51 GMT
I thought our fullbacks did OK today, but when they double up on you as they did several times against Junior it's very difficult to be the fullback. If you haven't experienced that I can tell it's a nightmare! On the other side Gooch made it difficult for Bocat because he had a stinker of a game! Probably one of the worst performances I've seen from a Stoke player for years. That in itself should suggest that Gooch never again should start a game for us. An extremely limited player to be honest, so just GET RID!  |
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 24, 2024 23:46:23 GMT
When we look back and see all the hype around the Junior signing at the time and what a prospect he appeared to be🤷♂️WTAF has happened since? Yes you can blame the manager or the system which exposes him but fuck me he offers absolutely nothing in any shape or form. He can’t defend to save his life in my opinion and you can open the gates when he gets forward🙄 Did he play regularly for Colchester because I’m really struggling to see him as a footballer so far To be honest, I never really understood the big fanfare about him. He was primarily a wing back at Colchester, whose main job is to get forward and whip in crosses. Yet his crossing returns were actually quite poor. I did wonder for a player apparently so sought after why no other team but us were in for him at the time. I guess now we're seeing why. |
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