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Post by baconburger on Aug 23, 2024 20:54:52 GMT
We conceded less goals than Norwich and around about the same as Southampton and Ipswich. There was nothing wrong with the defence. Hmm, ya see, that doesn't make a convincing argument for me!!! We looked a shambles at the back for much of the season, we were as bad at the back as we were up front!!! Nah, I was hoping for a strong solid centre back, one of the core positions we've been screaming out for for a good while now, and yet we still haven't filled, McNally would have been a sideways step, and pretty much the same as last year!!! Fine as I said in another post you're one of those who thinks your opinion means more than the numbers. |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 23, 2024 21:50:24 GMT
Hmm, ya see, that doesn't make a convincing argument for me!!! We looked a shambles at the back for much of the season, we were as bad at the back as we were up front!!! Nah, I was hoping for a strong solid centre back, one of the core positions we've been screaming out for for a good while now, and yet we still haven't filled, McNally would have been a sideways step, and pretty much the same as last year!!! Fine as I said in another post you're one of those who thinks your opinion means more than the numbers. My opinion is "MY" opinion, I don't expect everyone to agree, and that's how it should be, no??? Thing is, I wasn't the one who commented on your post, it was you who commented on mine..... That said, I do appreciate your opinion, without it, we wouldn't be able to have these debates!!! 🙂 |
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Post by thestokielad on Aug 23, 2024 21:59:47 GMT
I want to see a full back and a striker come in too at the minimum. Attacking midfielder and maybe a left winger is also needed as juhno and Vidigal aren't getting played much
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Post by biddulphchav on Aug 23, 2024 22:14:33 GMT
Despite the fact he's probably far better and ready to play a full role than Phillips. Then what's the point in Phillips??? McNally didn't shine whatsoever in a poor poor side last season, so it would be pretty much the same at the back this season if we'd got him in, what's the point in that??? As I say, I know absolutely nothing about Phillips, so I guess only time will tell!!! McNally did fairly well I thought. Bringing him back would have been an upgrade on last season as he’s gained experience through his time with us, certainly not the finished article but he’s at an age where you’d expect him to continue to improve. Be nice to have some proven ish players at the back. We’ve got Gibson who’s plenty experienced, and Wilmot (who has his detractors), and now this fella who’s very raw. Still think we need one more in at Cb |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 23, 2024 23:03:48 GMT
Then what's the point in Phillips??? McNally didn't shine whatsoever in a poor poor side last season, so it would be pretty much the same at the back this season if we'd got him in, what's the point in that??? As I say, I know absolutely nothing about Phillips, so I guess only time will tell!!! McNally did fairly well I thought. Bringing him back would have been an upgrade on last season as he’s gained experience through his time with us, certainly not the finished article but he’s at an age where you’d expect him to continue to improve. Be nice to have some proven ish players at the back. We’ve got Gibson who’s plenty experienced, and Wilmot (who has his detractors), and now this fella who’s very raw. Still think we need one more in at Cb Fair do's, I wasn't particularly a fan, though I never thought he was shit, more... average, but fair do's!!! Re-Wilmot, I actually like him myself, though like you say, he does have his fair share of detractors on here!!! |
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 24, 2024 0:03:02 GMT
If you listen to Tezgel about his loan last year there are things you learn and experience for the first time even when you are not starting - different environment and coaching. Working with and seeing how older players train, and learning from them. Having more responsibility for yourself. nothing beats minutes on the pitch In terms of a young player's personal development, the right sort of minutes off the pitch are just as important at the age of 17,18. Being in a professional environment without the protection of your academy, learning to get on with and learn from seasoned pros etc are something that can be better learned at another club. Finding out that you have to fight for your place, prove yourself in training and interact with older teammates is far more valuable than being picked every week because of an agreement with your parent club. How many players seem to have the world at their feet before they reach twenty and then fall oof it? Jon Walters had to learn the hard way but fought his way back up having seemingly thrown a very promising career away. Marcus Rashford had everything at 18 but his star has fallen so far that at 27 he has fallen out of the England team and is a peripheral figure in the Utd team. I agree you only benefit from minutes on the pitch but not if you haven't had to fight for those minutes and learned that you have to prove yourself in training as well as on the pitch because if these players can't prove themselves enough to get in Stoke's matchday squad they are certainly not going to at their parent club where competition for places is far higher. |
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 24, 2024 5:41:42 GMT
I want to see a full back and a striker come in too at the minimum. Attacking midfielder and maybe a left winger is also needed as juhno and Vidigal aren't getting played much Pretty mad post. Junho hasn’t played because he’s been injured and is probably our starting left winger every game he’s fit. |
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Post by lordb on Aug 24, 2024 7:28:51 GMT
Then what's the point in Phillips??? McNally didn't shine whatsoever in a poor poor side last season, so it would be pretty much the same at the back this season if we'd got him in, what's the point in that??? As I say, I know absolutely nothing about Phillips, so I guess only time will tell!!! McNally did fairly well I thought. Bringing him back would have been an upgrade on last season as he’s gained experience through his time with us, certainly not the finished article but he’s at an age where you’d expect him to continue to improve. Be nice to have some proven ish players at the back. We’ve got Gibson who’s plenty experienced, and Wilmot (who has his detractors), and now this fella who’s very raw. Still think we need one more in at Cb And Rose And Lawal And Dixon and Anderson We definitely don't need any more CB's unless we are switching to a back 3 as first choice set up (& don't think we are) Interested to see if Dixon and/or Phillips get games at RB |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Aug 24, 2024 8:02:10 GMT
At 6’ 4’’, Phillips would be a rather gangly full back.
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Post by lordb on Aug 24, 2024 8:03:07 GMT
At 6’ 4’’, Phillips would be a rather gangly full back. Indeed but apparently he's played there Dixon played well there v Carlisle |
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Post by thestokielad on Aug 24, 2024 9:43:29 GMT
I want to see a full back and a striker come in too at the minimum. Attacking midfielder and maybe a left winger is also needed as juhno and Vidigal aren't getting played much Pretty mad post. Junho hasn’t played because he’s been injured and is probably our starting left winger every game he’s fit. not really that mad, he was on the bench most of last season too |
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Post by lordb on Aug 24, 2024 11:06:48 GMT
Pretty mad post. Junho hasn’t played because he’s been injured and is probably our starting left winger every game he’s fit. not really that mad, he was on the bench most of last season too Who Junho? He absolutely wasn't mostly on the bench last season |
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Post by gingerninja on Aug 24, 2024 11:08:06 GMT
Does anybody know what the issue with Lawal actually is?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 24, 2024 11:14:27 GMT
At 6’ 4’’, Phillips would be a rather gangly full back. Steve Bould started his career at RB. Possibly to integrate him into the side and gain experience but always with the intention to move him into the middle. He was about 6’ 3” if memory serves me right |
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Post by march4 on Aug 24, 2024 11:18:31 GMT
At 6’ 4’’, Phillips would be a rather gangly full back. Steve Bould started his career at RB. Possibly to integrate him into the side and gain experience but always with the intention to move him into the middle. He was about 6’ 3” if memory serves me right So did Denis Smith. |
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Post by biddulphchav on Aug 24, 2024 11:45:52 GMT
McNally did fairly well I thought. Bringing him back would have been an upgrade on last season as he’s gained experience through his time with us, certainly not the finished article but he’s at an age where you’d expect him to continue to improve. Be nice to have some proven ish players at the back. We’ve got Gibson who’s plenty experienced, and Wilmot (who has his detractors), and now this fella who’s very raw. Still think we need one more in at Cb And Rose And Lawal And Dixon and Anderson We definitely don't need any more CB's unless we are switching to a back 3 as first choice set up (& don't think we are) Interested to see if Dixon and/or Phillips get games at RB I forgot about Rose, and Lawal too to be fair, although I think he’s signed as a midfielder. Really don’t rate Rose, thought McNally was miles ahead of him - for me I’d like to see McNally back and Rose out the door as I regard him as a League 1 player at best |
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Post by femark on Aug 24, 2024 11:50:51 GMT
Steve Bould started his career at RB. Possibly to integrate him into the side and gain experience but always with the intention to move him into the middle. He was about 6’ 3” if memory serves me right So did Denis Smith. Dan Burn at 6’7” has been excellent for Newcastle at LB |
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Aug 24, 2024 11:56:40 GMT
At 6’ 4’’, Phillips would be a rather gangly full back. Indeed but apparently he's played there Dixon played well there v Carlisle According to transfermarkt who track every position a player plays. He has never played full back. 50 games as CB 1 as CDM |
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Post by lordb on Aug 24, 2024 12:26:58 GMT
Indeed but apparently he's played there Dixon played well there v Carlisle According to transfermarkt who track every position a player plays. He has never played full back. 50 games as CB 1 as CDM Did think it was odd |
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Post by GrahamHyde on Aug 27, 2024 19:56:27 GMT
Played really well tonight, I'd have him alongside Gibson, replacing Wilmot.
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Aug 27, 2024 19:58:14 GMT
An excellent debut.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 28, 2024 7:08:52 GMT
He has to replace Wilmot.
It’s just sensible.
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 28, 2024 7:11:00 GMT
He was fantastic last night. Our loan business this season is starting to look akin to Derby in their decent season. They had Mount, Tomori and Wilson.
We’ve got Moran, Phillips and Koumas. Could be key players for us this season?
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Post by jonso on Aug 28, 2024 7:15:52 GMT
He was fantastic last night. Our loan business this season is starting to look akin to Derby in their decent season. They had Mount, Tomori and Wilson. We’ve got Moran, Phillips and Koumas. Could be key players for us this season? Yep, we get promoted,they go back to their teams and we get, well, y’ know….. But they all looked excellent last night, Moran looks like a king maker here. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 28, 2024 7:18:09 GMT
He was fantastic last night. Our loan business this season is starting to look akin to Derby in their decent season. They had Mount, Tomori and Wilson. We’ve got Moran, Phillips and Koumas. Could be key players for us this season? Yep, we get promoted,they go back to their teams and we get, well, y’ know….. But they all looked excellent last night, Moran looks like a king maker here. ...them back on loan. |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 28, 2024 10:25:57 GMT
He was fantastic last night. Our loan business this season is starting to look akin to Derby in their decent season. They had Mount, Tomori and Wilson. We’ve got Moran, Phillips and Koumas. Could be key players for us this season? Yep, we get promoted,they go back to their teams and we get, well, y’ know….. But they all looked excellent last night, Moran looks like a king maker here. We get promoted, we get, well, y’know…£100 million |
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Post by ceejays on Aug 28, 2024 10:37:57 GMT
Wilmot to right back then Prepare to be disappointed. Prepare to eat your words . We played 3 at the back on Saturday and for fifteen minutes or so against Middlesbrough |
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Post by J-Roar on Aug 28, 2024 10:40:18 GMT
At 6’ 4’’, Phillips would be a rather gangly full back. Steve Bould started his career at RB. Possibly to integrate him into the side and gain experience but always with the intention to move him into the middle. He was about 6’ 3” if memory serves me right He was terrible at RB to be fair. Mills taught him a lot about defending when he managed him. |
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Post by Caddick988 on Aug 28, 2024 10:42:42 GMT
Thought it was a really positive debut who makes the competition for places at CB interesting. I actually think both Wilmott and Gibson have looked okay so far this season. You'd think if he was to come into the side it would be for Wilmott though with Gibson being captain.
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Post by monsoonmoon on Aug 28, 2024 10:44:15 GMT
He has to replace Wilmot. It’s just sensible. Phillips’ pace on the cover will hugely help Gibson and his full-back, imo. |
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