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Post by LphPotter on Sept 25, 2024 11:59:21 GMT
Are we the lowest ranked side left in it? Sheffield Wednesday and Preston are both below us as it stands |
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Post by Los Alfareros on Sept 25, 2024 12:21:07 GMT
I am just praying we don't get a proper pasting against one of the big boys live on TV for the whole world to see just how wank we are.. It is such an unfair competition for the reasons stated in this thread. My solution would be for the clubs who join late to name a "squad" for the cup prior to the first game. This will stop them bringing in the first team for the semi/final. Would anyone really care? Hardly a high profile cup and doubt many would even notice Point taken, but I am sure the lower half of the prem and us champo peasants would prefer having a slim chance to actually win something. It is just set up for a Man City v Arsenal final with the powers that be doing everything they can to achieve it. One of my greatest days following Stoke was the first Autoglass win in 1992, a trophy that would be absolutely meaningless to most clubs fans, but memories of a brilliant day watching Stoke win at Wembley with my mates still sends shivers down my spine!! |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 25, 2024 13:16:00 GMT
Would anyone really care? Hardly a high profile cup and doubt many would even notice Is there such a thing as a high profile cup anymore? Fair point actually |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 25, 2024 13:22:33 GMT
Would anyone really care? Hardly a high profile cup and doubt many would even notice That's OK if you live in the confines of SoT/North Staffs, but some of us exiles have to work and live with fans of the "big boys". (Of course, the flipside is you get to be very smug *if* we beat them). Beating a second string Prem side isn't that big a boast. I could see maybe Spurs going to win it, Man City tend to do it but when lower league sides play reserve teams it shows the complete lack of interest in it. Is games that clubs don't want so early in the season judging on team selections and looking at gates, very few fans also. Before anyone points out the obvious that the only thing we won, that was 50 years ago and the thing was done over 10 plus years ago. Time to pull the plug and put it out of its misery |
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Post by banksy1art on Sept 25, 2024 13:53:31 GMT
That's OK if you live in the confines of SoT/North Staffs, but some of us exiles have to work and live with fans of the "big boys". (Of course, the flipside is you get to be very smug *if* we beat them). Beating a second string Prem side isn't that big a boast. I could see maybe Spurs going to win it, Man City tend to do it but when lower league sides play reserve teams it shows the complete lack of interest in it. Is games that clubs don't want so early in the season judging on team selections and looking at gates, very few fans also. Before anyone points out the obvious that the only thing we won, that was 50 years ago and the thing was done over 10 plus years ago. Time to pull the plug and put it out of its misery I’d do anything to see us win some silverware in the modern times. When we were an established premier league club we should have prioritised the cup competitions in my opinion. We came close to the FA cup in 2011 and if we beat Liverpool on penalties in 2016, I believe we would have gone on to win this cup. We were in such a good position to push for a trophy but I can’t see us being in that position again for a little while!! |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 25, 2024 13:56:01 GMT
Beating a second string Prem side isn't that big a boast. I could see maybe Spurs going to win it, Man City tend to do it but when lower league sides play reserve teams it shows the complete lack of interest in it. Is games that clubs don't want so early in the season judging on team selections and looking at gates, very few fans also. Before anyone points out the obvious that the only thing we won, that was 50 years ago and the thing was done over 10 plus years ago. Time to pull the plug and put it out of its misery I’d do anything to see us win some silverware in the modern times. When we were an established premier league club we should have prioritised the cup competitions in my opinion. We came close to the FA cup in 2011 and if we beat Liverpool on penalties in 2016, I believe we would have gone on to win this cup. We were in such a good position to push for a trophy but I can’t see us being in that position again for a little while!! We won't win this of course and agree with the trophy winning but is plainly obvious that this is more of a hindrance to clubs these days and has been for some time. |
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Post by banksy1art on Sept 25, 2024 13:57:12 GMT
I’d do anything to see us win some silverware in the modern times. When we were an established premier league club we should have prioritised the cup competitions in my opinion. We came close to the FA cup in 2011 and if we beat Liverpool on penalties in 2016, I believe we would have gone on to win this cup. We were in such a good position to push for a trophy but I can’t see us being in that position again for a little while!! We won't win this of course and agree with the trophy winning but is plainly obvious that this is more of a hindrance to clubs these days and has been for some time. I agree |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 25, 2024 14:04:45 GMT
Beating a second string Prem side isn't that big a boast. I could see maybe Spurs going to win it, Man City tend to do it but when lower league sides play reserve teams it shows the complete lack of interest in it. Is games that clubs don't want so early in the season judging on team selections and looking at gates, very few fans also. Before anyone points out the obvious that the only thing we won, that was 50 years ago and the thing was done over 10 plus years ago. Time to pull the plug and put it out of its misery I’d do anything to see us win some silverware in the modern times. When we were an established premier league club we should have prioritised the cup competitions in my opinion. We came close to the FA cup in 2011 and if we beat Liverpool on penalties in 2016, I believe we would have gone on to win this cup. We were in such a good position to push for a trophy but I can’t see us being in that position again for a little while!! Anything you say 🤔 Would you wear the full Vale kit to every Stoke game for the rest of the season for this dream to come true 😆 |
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 25, 2024 14:15:31 GMT
I’d do anything to see us win some silverware in the modern times. When we were an established premier league club we should have prioritised the cup competitions in my opinion. We came close to the FA cup in 2011 and if we beat Liverpool on penalties in 2016, I believe we would have gone on to win this cup. We were in such a good position to push for a trophy but I can’t see us being in that position again for a little while!! We won't win this of course and agree with the trophy winning but is plainly obvious that this is more of a hindrance to clubs these days and has been for some time. I think the Fleetwood game was good for Stoke. OK it might not seem it judging on the next game performance, but a lot of players in that game badly needed competitive football at that stage of the season and there is important player development there with the likes of Dixon and Sidibe. As I said in another thread the crowds last night didn't indicate a lack of interest either, though some of the attendances send mixed messages 38,000 at Chelsea v Barrow? 24,000 at Coventry v Spurs, while 5,500 at Preston v Fulham! The effective seeding of teams is not doing the competition any favours though imo, only for the sponsors of course, who are desperate to keep the big teams on board. So much so that they are happy to guarantee them a free run to the later stages. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 25, 2024 14:23:29 GMT
We won't win this of course and agree with the trophy winning but is plainly obvious that this is more of a hindrance to clubs these days and has been for some time. I think the Fleetwood game was good for Stoke. OK it might not seem it judging on the next game performance, but a lot of players in that game badly needed competitive football at that stage of the season and there is important player development there with the likes of Dixon and Sidibe. As I said in another thread the crowds last night didn't indicate a lack of interest either, though some of the attendances send mixed messages 38,000 at Chelsea v Barrow? 24,000 at Coventry v Spurs, while 5,500 at Preston v Fulham! The effective seeding of teams is not doing the competition any favours though imo, only for the sponsors of course, who are desperate to keep the big teams on board. So much so that they are happy to guarantee them a free run to the later stages. You'll get a good crowd if you draw a top side as with the FA Cup but you'll struggle to recognise many of the players. The likes of Man U, Chelsea will always get big home crowds and attract away followings from smaller clubs as a rare chance to go there,but apart from that crowds are sparce and not worth opening the whole ground for . Having one cup may help the FA Cup get some credibility back also |
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Sept 25, 2024 14:29:12 GMT
That's OK if you live in the confines of SoT/North Staffs, but some of us exiles have to work and live with fans of the "big boys". (Of course, the flipside is you get to be very smug *if* we beat them). Beating a second string Prem side isn't that big a boast. I could see maybe Spurs going to win it, Man City tend to do it but when lower league sides play reserve teams it shows the complete lack of interest in it. Is games that clubs don't want so early in the season judging on team selections and looking at gates, very few fans also. Before anyone points out the obvious that the only thing we won, that was 50 years ago and the thing was done over 10 plus years ago. Time to pull the plug and put it out of its misery Maybe. But when you have Man U and Liverpool fans in the same office who never miss an excuse to banter each other after a win/loss (even with "second strings") , it clearly still matters to some people. That said, the clubs clearly don't over-prioritise it - not early on anyway. But what if Stoke (or a similar calibre club) found themselves in the semi finals of this year's cup? With Wembley in site, how many fans would suddenly be on the coach's* case if he persisted with the youngsters against Man U, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal etc instead of playing something closer to a normal starting 11? Dare I say it's basic fans' psychology? - When you're not involved, it's not important - when you have a chance to win it, all of a sudden it's very important indeed. * Notice how I didn't say manager  |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 25, 2024 14:32:25 GMT
Beating a second string Prem side isn't that big a boast. I could see maybe Spurs going to win it, Man City tend to do it but when lower league sides play reserve teams it shows the complete lack of interest in it. Is games that clubs don't want so early in the season judging on team selections and looking at gates, very few fans also. Before anyone points out the obvious that the only thing we won, that was 50 years ago and the thing was done over 10 plus years ago. Time to pull the plug and put it out of its misery Maybe. But when you have Man U and Liverpool fans in the same office who never miss an excuse to banter each other after a win/loss (even with "second strings") , it clearly still matters to some people. That said, the clubs clearly don't over-prioritise it - not early on anyway. But what if Stoke (or a similar calibre club) found themselves in the semi finals of this year's cup? With Wembley in site, how many fans would suddenly be on the coach's* case if he persisted with the youngsters against Man U, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal etc instead of playing something closer to a normal starting 11? Dare I say it's basic fans' psychology? - When you're not involved, it's not important - when you have a chance to win it, all of a sudden it's very important indeed. * Notice how I didn't say manager We're still in it and think the same but yep. Same as the Autoglass fans turned up for the final. Is it worth all the poorly attended games though and even semi finals aren't selling out in some cases |
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Sept 25, 2024 14:42:25 GMT
Maybe the FA needs to start murmurs about scrapping it and see if there's a reaction from fans/clubs. A bit like when food manufacturers say they're going to pull an old (but neglected) favourite from the shelves* and there's sudden outrage.
* I can't think of an example, but there've been a few.
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Post by questionable on Sept 25, 2024 15:15:17 GMT
Beating a second string Prem side isn't that big a boast. I could see maybe Spurs going to win it, Man City tend to do it but when lower league sides play reserve teams it shows the complete lack of interest in it. Is games that clubs don't want so early in the season judging on team selections and looking at gates, very few fans also. Before anyone points out the obvious that the only thing we won, that was 50 years ago and the thing was done over 10 plus years ago. Time to pull the plug and put it out of its misery I’d do anything to see us win some silverware in the modern times. When we were an established premier league club we should have prioritised the cup competitions in my opinion. We came close to the FA cup in 2011 and if we beat Liverpool on penalties in 2016, I believe we would have gone on to win this cup. We were in such a good position to push for a trophy but I can’t see us being in that position again for a little while!! Great times but heartbreaking now on how we’ve actually got things so wrong and learnt nothing. |
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Post by Glory Hunter on Sept 25, 2024 15:33:51 GMT
Villa away.
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Post by Los Alfareros on Sept 25, 2024 16:00:21 GMT
God I hope not, could not face losing to them dirty Villa bastards. (It's personal) |
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Post by ricksastokie on Sept 25, 2024 16:05:43 GMT
Maybe the FA needs to start murmurs about scrapping it and see if there's a reaction from fans/clubs. A bit like when food manufacturers say they're going to pull an old (but neglected) favourite from the shelves* and there's sudden outrage. * I can't think of an example, but there've been a few. Hienz Salad Cream. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 25, 2024 16:48:19 GMT
Maybe the FA needs to start murmurs about scrapping it and see if there's a reaction from fans/clubs. A bit like when food manufacturers say they're going to pull an old (but neglected) favourite from the shelves* and there's sudden outrage. * I can't think of an example, but there've been a few. Folk tend to get upset I find if something is cancelled despite never eating/drinking it etc I rember a pub landlord on Radio Stoke saying that his pub was becoming flats due to so few customers and was a woman on the phone protesting that it was part of the community and she formed some action group to stop it happening etc The landlord asked her how many times she had been to the pub...she changed the subject . |
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Post by spoton on Sept 25, 2024 16:49:43 GMT
Leicester away
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 25, 2024 16:59:25 GMT
Sheffield Wednesday please
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Post by Bagwash on Sept 25, 2024 18:46:42 GMT
That's the one for me also. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 25, 2024 18:56:14 GMT
Is there such a thing as a high profile cup anymore? Fair point actually To be fair the FA cup was loads better last season, hopefully a similar pattern going forward. This one though needs to fuck off asap as most people have been saying for years. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 25, 2024 19:10:13 GMT
I see the next round is W/c the 28th Oct in between Sheff Utd away and Derby at home🤔
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 25, 2024 19:14:56 GMT
I think that PL football is still so fresh in the mind that we would struggle to break 15k even if we had a home draw against one of the Manchester teams.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 25, 2024 19:16:09 GMT
No VAR until the semi final🤷♂️
Have we played a game with VAR in use🤔can’t remember mesen
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 25, 2024 19:16:28 GMT
I think that PL football is still so fresh in the mind that we would struggle to break 15k even if we had a home draw against one of the Manchester teams. Would be a sell out |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 25, 2024 19:18:14 GMT
I think that PL football is still so fresh in the mind that we would struggle to break 15k even if we had a home draw against one of the Manchester teams. I suppose it would depend on the pricing structure but I’d be amazed if we didn’t sellout against one of the big boys |
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 25, 2024 19:22:31 GMT
I see the next round is W/c the 28th Oct in between Sheff Utd away and Derby at home🤔 Am working in Buxton that week so hoping for a home draw. Man U would be good |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 25, 2024 19:26:17 GMT
To be fair the FA cup was loads better last season, hopefully a similar pattern going forward. This one though needs to fuck off asap as most people have been saying for years. Certainly had a bounce last year unlike the Carabao which is as bouncy as a tortoise |
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 25, 2024 19:27:24 GMT
I am 💯 sure we will get Soufampton away
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