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Post by baconburger on Aug 21, 2024 18:07:27 GMT
I was watching the Brentford match at the weekend and they were discussing two recent signings they'd made and that the total for both was about £50mil & thought Omg. Think back to the Play Off Final at the Mil Stad & when we won and achieved promotion leaving them behind in L1, who'd have ever thought they'd be a time where Brentford would be holding their own in The Premier League and spending £50mil on a couple of players. & again, like you mention Brighton & Bournemouth, clubs who have risen from the depths of L2 to be self sufficient clubs operating well in the Premier League on and off the pitch! Run by models we could and should have been adopting. Even Luton have trodden this path and despite not remaining in the Premier League have still as a club been well run! I know football tends to move in cycles & who knows, it could well be the likes of Leyton Orient, Walsall & Gillingham who in 10yrs time could be the current day Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth's & living it up in the Premier League. The way things are going, despite our mass wealth and potential, I wouldn't be suprised to see us still floundering around the bottom half of the Championship! & nevermind the family thinking how crap they've ran our club, as fans we'll have witnessed the absolute destruction & carelessness of a club that was in a very good place and striving for the next better level, when it all got fluttered away, to where are today and have been since relegation, which kind of makes it harder to take 🫣 Brentford are well run and have made some good solid signings over the years. Toney, Mhuemo, Henry, Wissa, Mee. You can add Collins and Carvalho to that. But they have also bought average players and their bench is not particularly strong. I think they’ll survive this year but they are a few injuries away from being a bottom 6 outfit and Thiago is out until Xmas. The main difference between us Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth and Burnley etc are the parachute payments FFP and the vast chasm between Premier League income and that of the Championship. We had all those advantages and gave them up because we never had a long term vision. Front of house short term mentality. judge us on one metric and ignore everything else. Lets not forget both Burnleyx3 and Bournemouth have suffered relegation like us. |
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 21, 2024 20:25:51 GMT
I was watching the Brentford match at the weekend and they were discussing two recent signings they'd made and that the total for both was about £50mil & thought Omg. Think back to the Play Off Final at the Mil Stad & when we won and achieved promotion leaving them behind in L1, who'd have ever thought they'd be a time where Brentford would be holding their own in The Premier League and spending £50mil on a couple of players. & again, like you mention Brighton & Bournemouth, clubs who have risen from the depths of L2 to be self sufficient clubs operating well in the Premier League on and off the pitch! Run by models we could and should have been adopting. Even Luton have trodden this path and despite not remaining in the Premier League have still as a club been well run! I know football tends to move in cycles & who knows, it could well be the likes of Leyton Orient, Walsall & Gillingham who in 10yrs time could be the current day Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth's & living it up in the Premier League. The way things are going, despite our mass wealth and potential, I wouldn't be suprised to see us still floundering around the bottom half of the Championship! & nevermind the family thinking how crap they've ran our club, as fans we'll have witnessed the absolute destruction & carelessness of a club that was in a very good place and striving for the next better level, when it all got fluttered away, to where are today and have been since relegation, which kind of makes it harder to take 🫣 Very well said and it mirrors my thoughts on our downfall perfectly. Everything was in place when we were in the Prem,just a bit of planning and forethought instead of the “meat and two veg” approach that we adopted could have possibly put us in the Brighton and Brentford mould. It makes me so fuckng angry when I think of it…what a wasted opportunity. Thought it was steak and chips. |
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Post by J-Roar on Aug 22, 2024 9:53:00 GMT
I was watching the Brentford match at the weekend and they were discussing two recent signings they'd made and that the total for both was about £50mil & thought Omg. Think back to the Play Off Final at the Mil Stad & when we won and achieved promotion leaving them behind in L1, who'd have ever thought they'd be a time where Brentford would be holding their own in The Premier League and spending £50mil on a couple of players. & again, like you mention Brighton & Bournemouth, clubs who have risen from the depths of L2 to be self sufficient clubs operating well in the Premier League on and off the pitch! Run by models we could and should have been adopting. Even Luton have trodden this path and despite not remaining in the Premier League have still as a club been well run! I know football tends to move in cycles & who knows, it could well be the likes of Leyton Orient, Walsall & Gillingham who in 10yrs time could be the current day Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth's & living it up in the Premier League. The way things are going, despite our mass wealth and potential, I wouldn't be suprised to see us still floundering around the bottom half of the Championship! & nevermind the family thinking how crap they've ran our club, as fans we'll have witnessed the absolute destruction & carelessness of a club that was in a very good place and striving for the next better level, when it all got fluttered away, to where are today and have been since relegation, which kind of makes it harder to take 🫣 Brentford are well run and have made some good solid signings over the years. Toney, Mhuemo, Henry, Wissa, Mee. You can add Collins and Carvalho to that. But they have also bought average players and their bench is not particularly strong. I think they’ll survive this year but they are a few injuries away from being a bottom 6 outfit and Thiago is out until Xmas. The main difference between us Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth and Burnley etc are the parachute payments FFP and the vast chasm between Premier League income and that of the Championship. I think you're in cloud cuckoo land if you think that's the main difference. We had our chance and bought a truckload of unsellable shite and had a non existent scouting network and thought the best managers are those that like meat and 2 veg for tea. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 22, 2024 9:59:21 GMT
Brentford are well run and have made some good solid signings over the years. Toney, Mhuemo, Henry, Wissa, Mee. You can add Collins and Carvalho to that. But they have also bought average players and their bench is not particularly strong. I think they’ll survive this year but they are a few injuries away from being a bottom 6 outfit and Thiago is out until Xmas. The main difference between us Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth and Burnley etc are the parachute payments FFP and the vast chasm between Premier League income and that of the Championship. I think you're in cloud cuckoo land if you think that's the main difference. We had our chance and bought a truckload of unsellable shite and had a non existent scouting network and thought the best managers are those that like meat and 2 veg for tea. Yup we were virtually forced to adopt a more sensible transfer strategy of buying players with future sell on value. I for one hope we never go back to the front of house here and now and sod the future approach. |
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Post by UNKLE on Aug 22, 2024 11:27:08 GMT
Brentford are well run and have made some good solid signings over the years. Toney, Mhuemo, Henry, Wissa, Mee. You can add Collins and Carvalho to that. But they have also bought average players and their bench is not particularly strong. I think they’ll survive this year but they are a few injuries away from being a bottom 6 outfit and Thiago is out until Xmas. The main difference between us Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth and Burnley etc are the parachute payments FFP and the vast chasm between Premier League income and that of the Championship. I think you're in cloud cuckoo land if you think that's the main difference. We had our chance and bought a truckload of unsellable shite and had a non existent scouting network and thought the best managers are those that like meat and 2 veg for tea. I didn’t say it was the only difference. But the main difference now between us and them is the financial clout. That means they can attract better players, coaches etc. Moneyball and recruitment we are poles apart and we have made major errors since we’ve gone down. The point I should have made was that we wasted our parachute years and as such are further away from the PL than we’ve ever been. Trust me living down here and listening to Brentford fans moan about injuries to £30m strikers pisses me off no end. They always used to be little old Brentford and used to be my teenage lads second team. Now they’re the main attraction and I’m sure he only joined me at Watford last week to humour me. |
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Post by kustokie on Aug 22, 2024 12:09:06 GMT
I think you're in cloud cuckoo land if you think that's the main difference. We had our chance and bought a truckload of unsellable shite and had a non existent scouting network and thought the best managers are those that like meat and 2 veg for tea. I didn’t say it was the only difference. But the main difference now between us and them is the financial clout. That means they can attract better players, coaches etc. Moneyball and recruitment we are poles apart and we have made major errors since we’ve gone down. The point I should have made was that we wasted our parachute years and as such are further away from the PL than we’ve ever been. Trust me living down here and listening to Brentford fans moan about injuries to £30m strikers pisses me off no end. They always used to be little old Brentford and used to be my teenage lads second team. Now they’re the main attraction and I’m sure he only joined me at Watford last week to humour me. I have a cousin who is a lifelong Brentford supporter. Brentford epitomizes what Stoke could have been. It sickens me how far we have fallen as a result of incompetent management at all levels. |
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Post by callas12 on Aug 27, 2024 19:07:11 GMT
Starts for Fulham this eve against Bham at St.Andrews..
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Post by chad on Aug 27, 2024 19:11:12 GMT
I didn’t say it was the only difference. But the main difference now between us and them is the financial clout. That means they can attract better players, coaches etc. Moneyball and recruitment we are poles apart and we have made major errors since we’ve gone down. The point I should have made was that we wasted our parachute years and as such are further away from the PL than we’ve ever been. Trust me living down here and listening to Brentford fans moan about injuries to £30m strikers pisses me off no end. They always used to be little old Brentford and used to be my teenage lads second team. Now they’re the main attraction and I’m sure he only joined me at Watford last week to humour me. I have a cousin who is a lifelong Brentford supporter. Brentford epitomizes what Stoke could have been. It sickens me how far we have fallen as a result of incompetent management at all levels. Brentford will go down. It’s the way of the world. I doubt very much they the complete the 10 years we did |
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Post by vamborools on Aug 27, 2024 19:15:39 GMT
Stansfield scored a nice goal
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Post by stoke1989 on Aug 27, 2024 19:16:00 GMT
I have a cousin who is a lifelong Brentford supporter. Brentford epitomizes what Stoke could have been. It sickens me how far we have fallen as a result of incompetent management at all levels. Brentford will go down. It’s the way of the world. I doubt very much they the complete the 10 years we did I reckon Frank will go end of season and that's when they'll implode although I think they could struggle this season, possibly benefit from a poor 3 going up. |
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Post by stoke1989 on Aug 27, 2024 19:18:04 GMT
Stansfield scored a nice goal Was that Brum fans singing "he's one of our own" Very bizarre |
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Post by callas12 on Aug 27, 2024 19:29:20 GMT
Stansfield scored a nice goal Was that Brum fans singing "he's one of our own" Very bizarre In their dreams! 🫣 |
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 30, 2024 8:23:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2024 8:23:56 GMT
"That's really not lovely, John" |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 30, 2024 8:26:46 GMT
That’s just utterly ridiculous and shits in the face of FFP.
Farcical.
In some ways it may be better they get promoted, then they will have to deal with the mess they have created next season.
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Post by stokecitydom on Aug 30, 2024 8:28:15 GMT
Just shows that the current FFP rules are not fit for purpose. It’s laughable that a third tier club can splash the cash like this, where as others in a higher league struggle to spend. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 30, 2024 8:28:42 GMT
That’s just utterly ridiculous and shits in the face of FFP. Farcical. In some ways it may be better they get promoted, then they will have to deal with the mess they have created next season. Their bet is they will go straight through like Ipswich |
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Post by st3mark on Aug 30, 2024 8:29:30 GMT
That's that one chalked off then
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 30, 2024 8:31:17 GMT
If there's one club/transfer which highlights why ffp as it currently stands is fucked, this is it.
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 30, 2024 8:33:52 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Financial Fair Play. voted for by the wealthiest, best supported clubs in the world and designed to ensure that your favorite club be it Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City or Arsenal are on the TV as often as possible and have all the best players available to them, so you can relax into your arcmhair, pull up a pint and cheer on the latest African or South American sensation and all for as little as £79.99 per month, not forgetting this also includes Paramount which has a host of shit films youve never heard of
what a fucking joke!!
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Post by wuzza on Aug 30, 2024 8:34:27 GMT
The EFL (particularly at Championship level) is a very broken set up.
Loads of financial complexities that consistently fail in their supposed aim of stopping clubs getting into bother.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 30, 2024 8:36:08 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Financial Fair Play. voted for by the wealthiest, best supported clubs in the world and designed to ensure that your favorite club be it Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City or Arsenal are on the TV as often as possible and have all the best players available to them, so you can relax into your arcmhair, pull up a pint and cheer on the latest African or South American sensation and all for as little as £79.99 per month, not forgetting this also includes Paramount which has a host of shit films youve never heard of what a fucking joke!! The EFL has their own set of rules. They voted for the current system. |
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Post by sticky on Aug 30, 2024 8:36:57 GMT
Why would he want to play in league one? Seems a strange decision to me
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 30, 2024 8:36:59 GMT
You're effectively forcing a player to move to League 1 because the clubs that want him in the Championship aren't allowed to buy him.. makes total sense.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Aug 30, 2024 8:37:11 GMT
Fair play to them. If they have the money then good luck to them…the cunts. Wonder how up for it Stansfield is. Probably a decent move in the long term? |
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 30, 2024 8:37:49 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Financial Fair Play. voted for by the wealthiest, best supported clubs in the world and designed to ensure that your favorite club be it Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City or Arsenal are on the TV as often as possible and have all the best players available to them, so you can relax into your arcmhair, pull up a pint and cheer on the latest African or South American sensation and all for as little as £79.99 per month, not forgetting this also includes Paramount which has a host of shit films youve never heard of what a fucking joke!! The EFL has their own set of rules. They voted for the current system. I know mate, I was being slightly (very) sarcastic and I know the premier league and League 1 are very different. The whole thing be it premier league or EFL needs scrapping, but wever spoke about this for years and there seems to be a reluctance to do so |
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Post by sticky on Aug 30, 2024 8:38:51 GMT
You're effectively forcing a player to move to League 1 because the clubs that want him in the Championship aren't allowed to buy him.. makes total sense. Can he not be loaned out to a championship club? Can he not tell Fulham no? Or even stay at Fulham |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 30, 2024 8:40:00 GMT
You're effectively forcing a player to move to League 1 because the clubs that want him in the Championship aren't allowed to buy him.. makes total sense. Can he not be loaned out to a championship club? Can he not tell Fulham no? Or even stay at Fulham I'm sure he can but you see my point surely? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 30, 2024 8:40:25 GMT
A farce on many levels.
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Post by cymap on Aug 30, 2024 8:42:10 GMT
How does it even work if they get promoted and are allowed to "overspend" in Lg 1 ? Does ffp instantly apply to them when they come up?
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