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Post by baconburger on Aug 8, 2024 12:42:52 GMT
So again all unknowable. The facts are the results. And our results were resoundingly shite while he was here and his players were a big part of that shite. Personally I have no feelings of great affection for Dublin, Darnborough or any HoR. They’re a necessary part of the modern football business but they are very much background operators. I really don’t give a shit who we sign, how we sign them, where they come from……if it gives us entertainment and results that’s all I really care about. So Dublin, Darnborough, whoever…..just give us more Bae Jun Ho and less Ciaran Clark. Simplistic one metric to judge the operation of a whole football club. I'm pretty sure where that idea comes from. It's a wonder more multimillion pound organisations don't adopt it lol. |
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Post by chayseeoatcake on Aug 8, 2024 12:43:52 GMT
Doubt they’d want SJW as well.
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Post by onionman on Aug 8, 2024 12:45:04 GMT
Alex Neil told us which players Jared was responsible for signing, didn't he? The ones from South Korea, Switzerland and Holland etc, as opposed to Preston and Sunderland etc. As someone said above do we completely absolve Dublin of signings like Ciaran Clark? I think it's fairly obvious that Alex Neil's scouting list was jam-packed with people who've spent their careers hovering around the Championship like Ciaran Clark, while Jared Dublin's spreadsheet (FM database or otherwise) was a long list of names from far-flung corners of the world. Alex Neil basically said that, last summer. It's fair game to criticise Jared for Jojic, Leris, Mmaee and Vidigal though. I personally don't think any of them are cut and dried disasters at this stage - and even if they turn out to be duds, it's not hard to argue they're offset by the obvious successses. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 8, 2024 12:45:21 GMT
Doubt they’d want SJW as well. He might have to drop the S. |
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Post by ceejays on Aug 8, 2024 12:58:31 GMT
When people quote we bought 18 -20 players last year they forget that this included 5 loans and SS bought in Ennis too. Johnson Pearson Gooch Rose ( we bid for him last January before Dublin arrived ) Iversen were clearly AN ex players . As for loans they were on one year contracts so no disaster if didn’t deliver but I suggest Hoever Cundle McNally (50/50 perhaps some would argue) Iversen . Travers ? So for me Dublin was responsible for Stevens ( was at sheff utd with Dublin ) Junho burger vidigal mmaee manhoef jojic leris Hamsandwich. Only jojic and hamsandwich you could say have bombed out . You could argue mmaee too . So leris and vidigal have been ok for monies bought in my book . It’s totally wrong to say Jared had his fingerprints over 20 signings . More like 9
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Post by LGH87 on Aug 8, 2024 12:58:44 GMT
As someone said above do we completely absolve Dublin of signings like Ciaran Clark? I think it's fairly obvious that Alex Neil's scouting list was jam-packed with people who've spent their careers hovering around the Championship like Ciaran Clark, while Jared Dublin's spreadsheet (FM database or otherwise) was a long list of names from far-flung corners of the world. Alex Neil basically said that, last summer. It's fair game to criticise Jared for Jojic, Leris, Mmaee and Vidigal though. I personally don't think any of them are cut and dried disasters at this stage - and even if they turn out to be duds, it's not hard to argue they're offset by the obvious successses. Totally agree mate. If we sell Leris for a profit which looks likely, that's a success. Vidigal was top scorer, that's a success. Mmaee will always divide opinion and he has a lot to prove but there's definitely a player in there. Jojic, looks like a complete dud but they will always happen and he still has time on his side yet, he may just be a later bloomer although the signs are good currently. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 8, 2024 13:10:41 GMT
Who cares where he goes really? I mean good luck to the guy but he's been built up as some kind of footballing oracle on this board.....  It's a massive slap in the face when we've taken their HOR and he's so far managed to come up with Sam fucking Gallager. “So far”……….🙄🙄 |
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Post by Gods on Aug 8, 2024 13:29:29 GMT
I wonder if Jared's chiselled good looks and Hollywood smile ulitimately did for him.
I don't remember us ever having anyone good looking in the leadership team before?
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Post by bertiestan on Aug 8, 2024 13:32:55 GMT
I wonder if Jared's chiselled good looks and Hollywood smile ulitimately did for him. I don't remember us ever having anyone good looking in the leadership team before? Why on earth would looks have anything to do with it🤷♂️ Bloody Nora🤦🏼♂️🔴⚪️ |
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Post by onionman on Aug 8, 2024 13:35:53 GMT
I wonder if Jared's chiselled good looks and Hollywood smile ulitimately did for him. I don't remember us ever having anyone good looking in the leadership team before? What about Peter Reid? |
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 8, 2024 13:40:50 GMT
So again all unknowable. The facts are the results. And our results were resoundingly shite while he was here and his players were a big part of that shite. Personally I have no feelings of great affection for Dublin, Darnborough or any HoR. They’re a necessary part of the modern football business but they are very much background operators. I really don’t give a shit who we sign, how we sign them, where they come from……if it gives us entertainment and results that’s all I really care about. So Dublin, Darnborough, whoever…..just give us more Bae Jun Ho and less Ciaran Clark. Simplistic one metric to judge the operation of a whole football club. I'm pretty sure where that idea comes from. It's a wonder more multimillion pound organisations don't adopt it lol. Yet you were the one to use the “unknowable “ argument. You can’t have it both ways. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 8, 2024 13:50:13 GMT
Simplistic one metric to judge the operation of a whole football club. I'm pretty sure where that idea comes from. It's a wonder more multimillion pound organisations don't adopt it lol. Yet you were the one to use the “unknowable “ argument. You can’t have it both ways. What is unknowable and to whom?? The club should like any other business of it's size have wide ranging KPT's and the club and it's various employees performance should be judged against them. Saying we nearly got relegated so everything is shit would be similar to saying we nearly got promoted so everything is good. It's just not the way of the world, other than in the eye of a one eyed fool. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 8, 2024 13:53:07 GMT
Yet you were the one to use the “unknowable “ argument. You can’t have it both ways. What is unknowable and to whom?? The club should like any other business of it's size have wide ranging KPT's and the club and it's various employees performance should be judged against them. Saying we nearly got relegated so everything is shit would be similar to saying we nearly got promoted so everything is good. It's just not the way of the world, other than in the eye of a one eyed fool. You used the argument that it was “unknowable” if we’d have got relegated without SS and SJW. But as usual you just move the goalposts as soon as your argument crumbles to dust. Which it invariably does. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 8, 2024 13:56:38 GMT
What is unknowable and to whom?? The club should like any other business of it's size have wide ranging KPT's and the club and it's various employees performance should be judged against them. Saying we nearly got relegated so everything is shit would be similar to saying we nearly got promoted so everything is good. It's just not the way of the world, other than in the eye of a one eyed fool. You used the argument that it was “unknowable” if we’d have got relegated without SS and SJW. But as usual you just move the goalposts as soon as your argument crumbles to dust. Which it invariably does. So explain yourself what is unknowable that I've posted. Are you actually trying to say that nothing about the club is knowable other than it's league position?? |
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Post by thepottypotter on Aug 8, 2024 14:07:41 GMT
Another OTT meltdown, though not quite up there with when Travers was recalled Dublin was getting slated on here not that long back in much the same way as Martin. Now hes being made out as the next Dan Ashworth Letting him go may turn out to be a mistake, we just dont know. Likewise Darnborogh may turn out to be the business, again we dont know Travers being recalled almost relegated us. The early signs are that Darnborough is a retrograde step. Letting Jared goes looks like a big mistake and more mismanagement from JC. But yes, it will all be a lot clearer in 3 week's time. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 8, 2024 14:26:53 GMT
You used the argument that it was “unknowable” if we’d have got relegated without SS and SJW. But as usual you just move the goalposts as soon as your argument crumbles to dust. Which it invariably does. So explain yourself what is unknowable that I've posted. Are you actually trying to say that nothing about the club is knowable other than it's league position?? Jesus you’re a headwreck. You said it was unknowable that we wouldn’t have stayed up without SS and SJW. Yet you’re on here whining about Darnborough who’s barely in the building. Unless you have a crystal ball his transfer record is completely unknown because he’s barely been in the job. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 8, 2024 14:48:35 GMT
So explain yourself what is unknowable that I've posted. Are you actually trying to say that nothing about the club is knowable other than it's league position?? Jesus you’re a headwreck. You said it was unknowable that we wouldn’t have stayed up without SS and SJW. Yet you’re on here whining about Darnborough who’s barely in the building. Unless you have a crystal ball his transfer record is completely unknown because he’s barely been in the job. I really haven't made any predictions about Darbrough. He hasn't got the sort of record that JD had here at his previous clubs(few have) and what I've read about his MO he sounds a bit of a prick who for whatever reason values secrecy as a very valuable commodity. What any of that has got to do with you judging the operations of a club by the sole metric of league position or evaluating the work of a HoR by the same metric rather than player trading balances and asset values etc. I've no idea. |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Aug 8, 2024 15:53:23 GMT
Another OTT meltdown, though not quite up there with when Travers was recalled Dublin was getting slated on here not that long back in much the same way as Martin. Now hes being made out as the next Dan Ashworth Letting him go may turn out to be a mistake, we just dont know. Likewise Darnborogh may turn out to be the business, again we dont know Travers being recalled almost relegated us. The early signs are that Darnborough is a retrograde step. Letting Jared goes looks like a big mistake and more mismanagement from JC. But yes, it will all be a lot clearer in 3 week's time. I liked Travers but Im not sure his recall was the reason we were almost relegated. Bonham came in, did well, only 1 glaring error that I can think of, at home to Swansea. Iversen then came in January and generally was fine |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 8, 2024 17:09:08 GMT
You can make a case for a decent chunk of them being others picks, Johnson for example clearly the managers choice. Johnson Pearson Gooch Rose Stevens Clarke Absolute minimum signings made at the request of AN. Stevens was a Dublin signing |
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Post by thornestein on Aug 8, 2024 17:24:52 GMT
Johnson Pearson Gooch Rose Stevens Clarke Absolute minimum signings made at the request of AN. Stevens was a Dublin signing didn’t we sign Stevens before Dublin was appointed ? |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 8, 2024 17:45:35 GMT
Stevens was a Dublin signing didn’t we sign Stevens before Dublin was appointed ? No just a few days later. I did check. |
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Aug 8, 2024 17:49:32 GMT
I wonder if Jared's chiselled good looks and Hollywood smile ulitimately did for him. I don't remember us ever having anyone good looking in the leadership team before? Why on earth would looks have anything to do with it🤷♂️ Bloody Nora🤦🏼♂️🔴⚪️ You'd be surprised how many 'bright young things' seem to get multiple promotions in the workplace these days... |
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Post by thornestein on Aug 8, 2024 17:59:19 GMT
didn’t we sign Stevens before Dublin was appointed ? No just a few days later. I did check. i still doubt he was a Dublin signing tbh , we were probably talking to him for weeks prior |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 8, 2024 18:02:13 GMT
No just a few days later. I did check. i still doubt he was a Dublin signing tbh , we were probably talking to him for weeks prior Again I think JD was already being consulted before his start date. Much as I might like shooting Hackett down in flames. |
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Post by a on Aug 8, 2024 18:14:24 GMT
It will be interesting to see how he does there, if he starts unearthing some really talented players this message board will be interesting. We don't know everything and only assume some of the gems we have are down to him, he could be a flop for all we know. Good luck to him Mate of mine is a Hull fan. He reckons the owner identifies a few of the players, I’m guessing the Turkish ones, but even others. |
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Post by a on Aug 8, 2024 18:35:36 GMT
So on Transfermarkt Darnborough was at Burnley from 2012-2015, during which time they signed some high profile players, a few:
Ashley Barnes
Tom Heaton
Michael Keane
Then at Norwich:
Steven Naismith
Robbie Brady
So not mind blowing by any stretch and although there were obviously many more, those were savvy deals by all accounts.
Hopefully he can find some value for us before the window shuts.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 14, 2024 15:33:17 GMT
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Post by biglad180 on Aug 14, 2024 15:39:49 GMT
always seemed a strange move to me why we let him go,,he unearthed our only resalable assets for a good time here,but we do not know what goes on behind the scenes, |
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Post by Jimm on Aug 14, 2024 15:41:03 GMT
"I worked with some great people during my short time at Reading before joining Stoke, where I had the remit of making the squad more technical and recruiting young players. We signed players with top potential who can become real assets for the club in the next few seasons, the likes of Jun-Ho Bae from Daejeon Hana, Wouter Burger from Basel, and Million Manhoef from Vitesse.
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 14, 2024 17:27:19 GMT
"I worked with some great people during my short time at Reading before joining Stoke, where I had the remit of making the squad more technical and recruiting young players. We signed players with top potential who can become real assets for the club in the next few seasons, the likes of Jun-Ho Bae from Daejeon Hana, Wouter Burger from Basel, and Million Manhoef from Vitesse. Yep maybe valued at 20m+ resale value so a great job done by him and rewarded with the boot because i assume Walters wasn't impressed. I am sure the new head of recruitment will better that....or what was the point? |
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