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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 8, 2024 11:58:52 GMT
Perhaps maybe something to do with the players they've identified in their respective roles. What's your metric?? Darnborough when he was at Norwich signed Ben Godfrey from non-league York City for £100k and they sold him for £25m 3 seasons later. If profit is your metric it doesn't get much better than that. If bringing players in to fit into a particular style of play and improve the team as a whole is the metric then Dublin was part of a team that failed miserably under Alex Neil. Ultimately the Sporting Director, Head of Recruitment and coaching staff all have to be in sync for a club to move forwards.............. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 8, 2024 12:00:11 GMT
So the other 15 rubbing rags were down to someone else? You can make a case for a decent chunk of them being others picks, Johnson for example clearly the managers choice. Johnson Pearson Gooch Rose Stevens Clarke Absolute minimum signings made at the request of AN. |
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Post by beats88 on Aug 8, 2024 12:01:44 GMT
Amazing how simple and quick that battle lines are drawn and extremes come out even with a relatively simple and straightforward debate like this. Nobody has said Jared is a god. He was simply a front face to a brave new world we attempted to go down last summer where we ventured into Europe to try and get value for money, sign younger players with sell on value etc. He did that and in Manhoef, Burger and Bae he found 3 in the space of 12 months. That level of relative success is highly unusual in the Championship, at the price point we paid for them and also given the fact we brought so many in at once. If he was given the time to bed in and approach this window, where less players were needed I reckon you'd have seen similar success. The club, to me, went down the wrong path by removing him and should have given the process more time to refine it, learn from the mistakes of last season and allowed to take root. I think people are rightly pissed off at this news and it caps for me what has been so far on the face of it a very frustrating, if not retrograde summer. Each to their own though. I would add to that, that the so called flops will still likely produce a profit or even breakeven with a much smaller wage than the British counterparts. We need to also remember Jared is more of a stat man. He identifies, and then the so called football brains assess and see if his stats convert to a good footballer. The Vidigal's etc were deemed good enough by a whole team, not just Jared. I also think some of the flops of last season were AN signings. Anyway he has gone now, lets just hope the club know what they are doing and Lee comes good, lets judge him at the end of the window. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 8, 2024 12:03:16 GMT
Perhaps maybe something to do with the players they've identified in their respective roles. What's your metric?? Darnborough when he was at Norwich signed Ben Godfrey from non-league York City for £100k and they sold him for £25m 3 seasons later. If profit is your metric it doesn't get much better than that. If bringing players in to fit into a particular style of play and improve the team as a whole is the metric then Dublin was part of a team that failed miserably under Alex Neil. Ultimately the Sporting Director, Head of Recruitment and coaching staff all have to be in sync for a club to move forwards.............. So if you have two of those already in situ one having been appointed in the last couple of months the other for less than a year do you appoint an SD to complement them or allow him to decide upon a new direction?? |
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Post by idle on Aug 8, 2024 12:03:54 GMT
Well, those 1.3M is peanuts whem Burger and Bae have had bids or are linked for £8M+ each. Those who think every signing should be a smash hit know nothing about football. And those who think Jared Dublin is the second coming of Damien Commoli know even less. I didn't even know who the fuck Damien Commoli is until now, and his hit rate seems just like JDs except at a level where we'd never afford any of the players he's found. Exept perhaps under Hughes. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 8, 2024 12:04:48 GMT
To be fair to Jared he came very close to helping AN deliver relegation. And that was in just one season.
It’ll be interesting to see if he can help get Hull over the line and into League One.
Go for it Jazza.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 8, 2024 12:07:43 GMT
To be fair to Jared he came very close to helping AN deliver relegation. And that was in just one season. It’ll be interesting to see if he can help get Hull over the line and into League One. Go for it Jazza. By that logic didn't he also help JW, SS avoid it (relegation) Manhoef didn't help at all, no?? |
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Post by LGH87 on Aug 8, 2024 12:08:34 GMT
Amazing how simple and quick that battle lines are drawn and extremes come out even with a relatively simple and straightforward debate like this. Nobody has said Jared is a god. He was simply a front face to a brave new world we attempted to go down last summer where we ventured into Europe to try and get value for money, sign younger players with sell on value etc. He did that and in Manhoef, Burger and Bae he found 3 in the space of 12 months. That level of relative success is highly unusual in the Championship, at the price point we paid for them and also given the fact we brought so many in at once. If he was given the time to bed in and approach this window, where less players were needed I reckon you'd have seen similar success. The club, to me, went down the wrong path by removing him and should have given the process more time to refine it, learn from the mistakes of last season and allowed to take root. I think people are rightly pissed off at this news and it caps for me what has been so far on the face of it a very frustrating, if not retrograde summer. Each to their own though.  |
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Post by monsoonmoon on Aug 8, 2024 12:10:56 GMT
I’m not sure it’s reasonable to completely absolve the former Head of Recruitment of blame for a large number of acquisitions, purely because they’re domestic not overseas.
They may have been initiated by another person in the building, but I’d be stunned and a bit worried if the HoR didn’t have a sign-off on them too.
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 8, 2024 12:11:22 GMT
To be fair to Jared he came very close to helping AN deliver relegation. And that was in just one season. It’ll be interesting to see if he can help get Hull over the line and into League One. Go for it Jazza. By that logic didn't he also help JW, SS avoid it (relegation) Manhoef didn't help at all, no?? If we hadn’t got SJW and SS in we’d be getting ready to play Crawley and Stevenage right now. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 8, 2024 12:14:05 GMT
By that logic didn't he also help JW, SS avoid it (relegation) Manhoef didn't help at all, no?? If we hadn’t got SJW and SS in we’d be getting ready to play Crawley and Stevenage right now. Unknowable. As I explained to you there are mere supporters and then there a club sycophants who'll try to justify everything the club does. Any brown nosers in the room?? |
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 8, 2024 12:17:37 GMT
If we hadn’t got SJW and SS in we’d be getting ready to play Crawley and Stevenage right now. Unknowable. As I explained to you there are mere supporters and then there a club sycophants who'll try to justify everything the club does. Any brown nosers in the room?? Unknowable. So anything that potentially details your argument is…..unknowable. I like it. |
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Post by onionman on Aug 8, 2024 12:19:00 GMT
Amazing how simple and quick that battle lines are drawn and extremes come out even with a relatively simple and straightforward debate like this. Nobody has said Jared is a god. He was simply a front face to a brave new world we attempted to go down last summer where we ventured into Europe to try and get value for money, sign younger players with sell on value etc. He did that and in Manhoef, Burger and Bae he found 3 in the space of 12 months. That level of relative success is highly unusual in the Championship, at the price point we paid for them and also given the fact we brought so many in at once. If he was given the time to bed in and approach this window, where less players were needed I reckon you'd have seen similar success. The club, to me, went down the wrong path by removing him and should have given the process more time to refine it, learn from the mistakes of last season and allowed to take root. I think people are rightly pissed off at this news and it caps for me what has been so far on the face of it a very frustrating, if not retrograde summer. Each to their own though. After relegation, Plan A was to sign the most expensive British-based players money could buy. It was a disaster. Plan B was to sign more British-based players who were not quite as expensive. It was a disaster. Plan C was to sign the cheapest British-based players available with our dwindling pool of money. It was a disaster. Plan D was for Jared to find a few hidden gems from across the world, while Alex Neil hand-picked a few British players from his old clubs. The Jared bit produced a few exceptional results and some not so good. The Alex Neil bit was a disaster. Now we have decided to ditch the one approach that had any positive results from the past 7 years, and focus instead on the approach that has produced disasters and nothing else. I think that's why some people didn't want to get rid of Jared, but good luck to those people that are happy he's gone. |
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 8, 2024 12:19:46 GMT
If we hadn’t got SJW and SS in we’d be getting ready to play Crawley and Stevenage right now. Unknowable. As I explained to you there are mere supporters and then there a club sycophants who'll try to justify everything the club does. Any brown nosers in the room?? Lol |
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Post by LGH87 on Aug 8, 2024 12:21:35 GMT
Amazing how simple and quick that battle lines are drawn and extremes come out even with a relatively simple and straightforward debate like this. Nobody has said Jared is a god. He was simply a front face to a brave new world we attempted to go down last summer where we ventured into Europe to try and get value for money, sign younger players with sell on value etc. He did that and in Manhoef, Burger and Bae he found 3 in the space of 12 months. That level of relative success is highly unusual in the Championship, at the price point we paid for them and also given the fact we brought so many in at once. If he was given the time to bed in and approach this window, where less players were needed I reckon you'd have seen similar success. The club, to me, went down the wrong path by removing him and should have given the process more time to refine it, learn from the mistakes of last season and allowed to take root. I think people are rightly pissed off at this news and it caps for me what has been so far on the face of it a very frustrating, if not retrograde summer. Each to their own though. After relegation, Plan A was to sign the most expensive British-based players money could buy. It was a disaster. Plan B was to sign more British-based players who were not quite as expensive. It was a disaster. Plan C was to sign the cheapest British-based players available with our dwindling pool of money. It was a disaster. Plan D was for Jared to find a few hidden gems from across the world, while Alex Neil hand-picked a few British players from his old clubs. The Jared bit produced a few exceptional results and some not so good. The Alex Neil bit was a disaster. Now we have decided to ditch the one approach that had any positive results from the past 7 years, and focus instead on the approach that has produced disasters and nothing else. I think that's why some people didn't want to get rid of Jared, but good luck to those people that are happy he's gone. I love a post that really puts it in to context, so that even the one's with their heads deepest in the sand can't begin to deny! |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 8, 2024 12:21:54 GMT
Unknowable. As I explained to you there are mere supporters and then there a club sycophants who'll try to justify everything the club does. Any brown nosers in the room?? Unknowable. So anything that potentially details your argument is…..unknowable. I like it. Anything that wasn't allowed to reach a predicted conclusion is unknowable. That's why Pulis and Hughes can still claim never to have been relegated as managers. It's really not a hard concept to grasp. |
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 8, 2024 12:22:32 GMT
Got to say I am a bit baffled by the anti Jared posts. He was briefed with bringing in massive overhaul of the squad. So just by weight of numbers some will be shite. But come on since we have been relegated none of the recruitment team have produced players of the calibre of Burger
Bae and Manhoef who will all go on to geneate serious income when sold. The change in transfer policy under Martin was well overdue and their are hints that we have returned to the old tried and tested champ players and loans with no sell on value. it really is odd.
If the current recruitment team deliver similar players to Jared's then i will be happy. But not holding my breath
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 8, 2024 12:24:19 GMT
Unknowable. So anything that potentially details your argument is…..unknowable. I like it. Anything that wasn't allowed to reach a predicted conclusion is unknowable. That's why Pulis and Hughes can still claim never to have been relegated as managers. It's really not a hard concept to grasp. Can't the same be said for Lee Darnborough? |
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 8, 2024 12:25:18 GMT
Unknowable. So anything that potentially details your argument is…..unknowable. I like it. Anything that wasn't allowed to reach a predicted conclusion is unknowable. That's why Pulis and Hughes can still claim never to have been relegated as managers. It's really not a hard concept to grasp. But the impact and effectiveness of Dublin is knowable? Not one of us knows: a) who he was actually responsible for signing b) what he’s like in the work place c) what his plans for this season were d) how he interacted with his network of scouts, the HC, the DoF, the owners e) what his Football Manager record is actually like But that doesn’t stop the knicker wetters going full flow. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 8, 2024 12:25:49 GMT
Anything that wasn't allowed to reach a predicted conclusion is unknowable. That's why Pulis and Hughes can still claim never to have been relegated as managers. It's really not a hard concept to grasp. Can't the same be said for Lee Darnborough? What's the prediction?? Don't think you've quite got the hang of this. |
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 8, 2024 12:27:37 GMT
Can't the same be said for Lee Darnborough? What's the prediction?? Don't think you've quite got the hang of this. Plenty are predicting doom and gloom before a ball has been kicked. They might be right. |
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Post by onionman on Aug 8, 2024 12:29:48 GMT
Anything that wasn't allowed to reach a predicted conclusion is unknowable. That's why Pulis and Hughes can still claim never to have been relegated as managers. It's really not a hard concept to grasp. But the impact and effectiveness of Dublin is knowable? Not one of us knows: a) who he was actually responsible for signing b) what he’s like in the work place c) what his plans for this season were d) how he interacted with his network of scouts, the HC, the DoF, the owners e) what his Football Manager record is actually like But that doesn’t stop the knicker wetters going full flow. Alex Neil told us which players Jared was responsible for signing, didn't he? The ones from South Korea, Switzerland and Holland etc, as opposed to Preston and Sunderland etc. |
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Post by Biblical on Aug 8, 2024 12:30:20 GMT
Given how last season went I don’t get the clamour and hype for Dublin.
I also don’t really understand the negativity around Darnborough given the window hasn’t ended yet, but also we’ll have probably had our main targets identified well in advance of his arrival here.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 8, 2024 12:32:32 GMT
Anything that wasn't allowed to reach a predicted conclusion is unknowable. That's why Pulis and Hughes can still claim never to have been relegated as managers. It's really not a hard concept to grasp. But the impact and effectiveness of Dublin is knowable? Not one of us knows: a) who he was actually responsible for signing (easy enough with most of our signings unless you're being deliberately thick)b) what he’s like in the work place (who cares he's a bloke who delivers reports and presentations on footballers)c) what his plans for this season were (most likely to continue with the established recruitment model)d) how he interacted with his network of scouts, the HC, the DoF, the owners (Again who cares whether he brown nosed them his job was to present them with player information and reccomendations)e) what his Football Manager record is actually like (relevant, to his role?)But that doesn’t stop the knicker wetters going full flow. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 8, 2024 12:33:57 GMT
What's the prediction?? Don't think you've quite got the hang of this. Plenty are predicting doom and gloom before a ball has been kicked. They might be right. That's a football prediction. What are they predicting about Darnbrough. Once you tell me I'll decide whether it's knowable or hypothetical. |
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Post by GrahamHyde on Aug 8, 2024 12:34:32 GMT
Can't believe we let him go. Shambles.
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 8, 2024 12:35:08 GMT
But the impact and effectiveness of Dublin is knowable? Not one of us knows: a) who he was actually responsible for signing b) what he’s like in the work place c) what his plans for this season were d) how he interacted with his network of scouts, the HC, the DoF, the owners e) what his Football Manager record is actually like But that doesn’t stop the knicker wetters going full flow. Alex Neil told us which players Jared was responsible for signing, didn't he? The ones from South Korea, Switzerland and Holland etc, as opposed to Preston and Sunderland etc. As someone said above do we completely absolve Dublin of signings like Ciaran Clark? |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 8, 2024 12:39:29 GMT
But the impact and effectiveness of Dublin is knowable? Not one of us knows: a) who he was actually responsible for signing b) what he’s like in the work place c) what his plans for this season were d) how he interacted with his network of scouts, the HC, the DoF, the owners e) what his Football Manager record is actually like But that doesn’t stop the knicker wetters going full flow. Alex Neil told us which players Jared was responsible for signing, didn't he? The ones from South Korea, Switzerland and Holland etc, as opposed to Preston and Sunderland etc. "Ones with an eye on the future, ones for the here and now" Only the ones for the future proved to be better than the ones for the here and now, even in the here and now. Mainly because the ones for the here and now were so fucking shit. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 8, 2024 12:39:30 GMT
But the impact and effectiveness of Dublin is knowable? Not one of us knows: a) who he was actually responsible for signing (easy enough with most of our signings unless you're being deliberately thick)b) what he’s like in the work place (who cares he's a bloke who delivers reports and presentations on footballers)c) what his plans for this season were (most likely to continue with the established recruitment model)d) how he interacted with his network of scouts, the HC, the DoF, the owners (Again who cares whether he brown nosed them his job was to present them with player information and reccomendations)e) what his Football Manager record is actually like (relevant, to his role?)But that doesn’t stop the knicker wetters going full flow. So again all unknowable. The facts are the results. And our results were resoundingly shite while he was here and his players were a big part of that shite. Personally I have no feelings of great affection for Dublin, Darnborough or any HoR. They’re a necessary part of the modern football business but they are very much background operators. I really don’t give a shit who we sign, how we sign them, where they come from……if it gives us entertainment and results that’s all I really care about. So Dublin, Darnborough, whoever…..just give us more Bae Jun Ho and less Ciaran Clark. |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Aug 8, 2024 12:41:37 GMT
Another OTT meltdown, though not quite up there with when Travers was recalled
Dublin was getting slated on here not that long back in much the same way as Martin. Now hes being made out as the next Dan Ashworth
Letting him go may turn out to be a mistake, we just dont know. Likewise Darnborogh may turn out to be the business, again we dont know
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