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Post by sportsman on Aug 4, 2024 5:21:11 GMT
From the matchday thread  Just noticed the long line of stewards on the divide. Are we now using cheap labour straight from Dover? 😁 |
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Aug 4, 2024 5:41:29 GMT
From the matchday thread Just noticed the long line of stewards on the divide. Are we now using cheap labour straight from Dover? 😁 I think they use a Wolverhampton company. |
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Post by sportsman on Aug 4, 2024 6:29:14 GMT
Just noticed the long line of stewards on the divide. Are we now using cheap labour straight from Dover? 😁 I think they use a Wolverhampton company. I’m usually right by them there and they have regular stewards who are there every week, a couple of girls too, good communication with them which helps on the divide. Hope they are back for the season |
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Post by daz2631 on Aug 4, 2024 6:45:30 GMT
It is a company from Wolverhampton for the stewards away coaches will be parked down on the carpark on Stanley Matthews way instead of in the old awayend compound it's going to be even more chaotic trying to get away from the ground with away coaches trying to get out aswell as the normal traffic .
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Post by Gods on Aug 4, 2024 6:49:47 GMT
True. For me standing was never about the act of standing, I can do that any time. It was the ability to roam. To stand with your pals. To move around according to the circumstances. It was freedom. This way you are still in your prison cell but someone has said its okay to stand up, which you used to do behind your seat anyway. It is what safe standing is and it has been made clear that's what it was going to be all summer. Yes, it hasn't come as a surprise to me, I've been banging this drum for years on here. |
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Aug 4, 2024 6:51:07 GMT
The major problem for me is that the away coaches are going to be parked up on the south car park I found out yesterday.
This is complete madness when you have a large away following such as our first 2 home games.
You will have both sets of supporters walking together for a good 200/300 metres with plenty of chance for the idiots to cause mayhem.
And away fans will be moved off the car park before any cars are allowed to leave making it complete gridlock for proably over an hour.
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Post by mickstupp on Aug 4, 2024 8:30:15 GMT
The major problem for me is that the away coaches are going to be parked up on the south car park I found out yesterday. This is complete madness when you have a large away following such as our first 2 home games. You will have both sets of supporters walking together for a good 200/300 metres with plenty of chance for the idiots to cause mayhem. And away fans will be moved off the car park before any cars are allowed to leave making it complete gridlock for proably over an hour. I’ve not heard that, is that true?? Surely they wouldn’t do that, would they? |
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Post by mickstupp on Aug 4, 2024 8:32:18 GMT
Minor question. Will they still choose to kick towards the Boothen second half?
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Aug 4, 2024 8:40:06 GMT
The major problem for me is that the away coaches are going to be parked up on the south car park I found out yesterday. This is complete madness when you have a large away following such as our first 2 home games. You will have both sets of supporters walking together for a good 200/300 metres with plenty of chance for the idiots to cause mayhem. And away fans will be moved off the car park before any cars are allowed to leave making it complete gridlock for proably over an hour. I’ve not heard that, is that true?? Surely they wouldn’t do that, would they? Thats what I was told by one of the car park stewards yesterday. He seemed to know what he was talking about & was not looking forward to it. |
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Post by jeycov on Aug 4, 2024 8:43:09 GMT
Yeah, the gate is now here highlighted yellow. The red line is where up to 3000 away fans will be and the green line at the top of the path highlights the potential flashpoint, where up to 3000 away fans will be entering a really narrow footpath and smack bang into home fans with nowhere to go - as there are railings stopping them from going straight out onto Stanley Matthews Way.   Home fans that used to go that way (red line below) now have to completely double back on themselves and follow the green line if they need to get to the top of the bank:  They should really turn the tree filled bank in to steps now. Would allow easy access and no doubling back Same for the away path too, would open it right up from the narrow path it is now Wheelchair access is needed Imo steps are likely to be more of a hazard too |
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Post by mickstupp on Aug 4, 2024 8:43:35 GMT
I’ve not heard that, is that true?? Surely they wouldn’t do that, would they? Thats what I was told by one of the car park stewards yesterday. He seemed to know what he was talking about & was not looking forward to it. Good grief!! So will the numerous Stoke coaches park behind the South Stand where they used to park away coaches? I guess we won’t have long to find out. |
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Post by ashleyscfc on Aug 4, 2024 9:03:18 GMT
I noticed they had signs for away parking pointing up towards BFM today.
Considering how well everything else off the pitch has been done this seems like a really clumsy implementation.
A new home “Path” needed adding alongside the away car park, probably alongside the players car park.
I’ve got a feeling this is going to have to get reconfigured quickly.
Away fans away from the ground, and the reduction in home path space won’t end well. That single path from the west stand is going to become dangerous.
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Post by daz2631 on Aug 4, 2024 9:09:51 GMT
I work at 365 it's true away coaches on south carpark home coaches in old away compound there will be NO path between club shop and old away end .
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Post by LGH87 on Aug 4, 2024 9:40:19 GMT
They should really turn the tree filled bank in to steps now. Would allow easy access and no doubling back Same for the away path too, would open it right up from the narrow path it is now Wheelchair access is needed Imo steps are likely to be more of a hazard too Still have the path but could have a wide set of steps down that bank easy. Plenty of other grounds have stepped access |
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Post by mickstupp on Aug 4, 2024 9:57:53 GMT
I work at 365 it's true away coaches on south carpark home coaches in old away compound there will be NO path between club shop and old away end . Couldn’t agree more. I expected the current away coach park being retained and a simple fenced walkway created from the away coaches to the away corner. Now the away fans will be marched to and from the ground to the south car park creating unnecessary potential flashpoints especially as they cross the road at the roundabout. Also agree that the only penguin walk ramp will not be enough. Time will tell. |
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Post by AlanHansen on Aug 4, 2024 14:26:05 GMT
The whole thing looks a potential ill though out shambles.
I didn't really see the merit of doing it in the 1st place. It's all well and good having our fans clapping the team off down the tunnel, it's another having them bollocking us off at HT... However, putting that to one side:
Instead of one good line of security, there now needs to be two, one either side of the away section.
Where are they going to put the buses to take away fans back to the station and wait and alight etc?
The same with coaches. If they move the away coaches to the South car park down SM way, they'll all have to walk up and down there, whereas befpre there was no need to leave a secure compound.
If you have a coach of idiots looking for trouble you used to be able to escort them from the M6/A500/A50, straight into the compound/coach park and into the stadium. Now they'll need to walk up SM Way, on their own, or at times escorted.
Unless I'm misreading this there's going to be a massive bottle neck of fans on the road between Greens and the Toyota roundabout, both home and away. And now as far as I can see all 3,000 away fans will need to exit onto that road (where home fans are waiting for buses and getting on coaches etc.), where before the majority of away fans didn't need to come out of the secure away end compound, unless on a bus or a coach and could hang about in there quite happily until they were ready to drive off.
That's not to mention the extra hassle home fans will have trying to get up the narrow path leading up to the buses back to Stoke etc. It's very slow now without having forced half of another stand up it and then into the waiting bus queue and away fans.
Hopefully there's a better plan happening. If not, someone needs sacking for creating this mess as they clearly have zero idea/common sense.
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Post by RF10 on Aug 4, 2024 14:34:16 GMT
Surely if people just don't act like dickheads there will be no issue?
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Post by baconburger on Aug 4, 2024 14:34:28 GMT
Tried it today Not for me tbh it's not terracing, it's just standing by your seat Yep, I think the campaign should have been for terraces or bust. Freedom to roam is what you want. Never going to happen is it but they could at least make the safe standing spaces allocated on arrival so groups turning up or booking together could stand together. As it is I suspect all the spaces will be in drips and drabs and put people off attending on spec. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2024 14:35:29 GMT
Surely if people just don't act like dickheads there will no issue? Correct. Fancy putting a bet on that they won't? We'll start the opening bet at 100 quid for charity. Any takers? |
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Post by banksy1art on Aug 4, 2024 16:02:46 GMT
The only concern for me is the exit for away supporters. I can definitely see some sort of crush occurring there with a big away following. They need to get rid of the fence at the end where the path meets the road
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Post by AlanHansen on Aug 4, 2024 16:12:56 GMT
Only concern....
I'll pose you one on my questions above. Instead of the away fans on the train waiting for/coming on/departing to the station in a secure compound separated from any home fans, where is that happening now and who is going to supervise a possible 1k plus higher risk away fans?
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Post by daz2631 on Aug 4, 2024 16:17:08 GMT
The buses back to the train station were stopped after Xmas for away fans they are left to there own devices.Away section now holds 3500 Coventry bringing full allocation.
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Post by AlanHansen on Aug 4, 2024 17:05:58 GMT
Coventry have a 3,044 allocation, it says this on their official ticket page for our game.
It says this on an official Stoke City away fans guide ive just seen. Perhaps it's out of date:
The Visiting Supporters Section:
As an away fan, you will be housed in the Visiting Supporters section of The Caldwell Construction Stand. Dependant on the competition of the match and its demand for tickets you will receive some or all of this stand. For league games, clubs can expect a ticket allocation of up to 3,200 seats this season.
Rail:
Please note: Away supporters are often met by the police at the railway station and taken to Staffordshire University
or a pub near to it for refreshments (unfortunately, they don’t pay for these!). They are then shuttle bussed up to the bet365 Stadium.
After the game, there are buses that return away fans to the railway station
official/unofficial coaches:
Coaches are directed to, park, and drop off away supporters at the back of The Caldwell Construction Stand near to the
Visiting Supporters turnstiles. They remain in situ there until departure after the final whistle
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Post by Robo10 on Aug 4, 2024 17:20:44 GMT
My penneth, we went in to see what it was like yesterday, back to our usual seats in the Boothen next week
- standing is a novelty but its safer with the bars - the amount of times I've fallen over the seat in front at an away game 🙈
- I stood for a bit, perched my arse on the upturned seat for a bit, and eventually just sat down as the game ebbed out. The bar makes a great leaning post to rest your head on lol
- getting out is a pain - usually some people climb down the seats while others shuffle to the stairs, is no option now but wait to use the stairs. Its a bottleneck.
One other observation was the 'checking' lane as we went in - little gates and stewards with metal detectors. I've got an ICD (Defib/Pacemaker) - told them, they werent sure what to do - just had to empty my pockets rather than being scanned. Is that going to be the new check all round the ground for every game? Will add more time to getting in.
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Post by RF10 on Aug 4, 2024 17:44:30 GMT
Surely if people just don't act like dickheads there will no issue? Correct. Fancy putting a bet on that they won't? We'll start the opening bet at 100 quid for charity. Any takers? I can guarantee my 100 quid will be gone 2 hours before kick off next week  |
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Post by Wizbit on Aug 4, 2024 18:25:39 GMT
Coventry have a 3,044 allocation, it says this on their official ticket page for our game. It says this on an official Stoke City away fans guide ive just seen. Perhaps it's out of date: The Visiting Supporters Section: As an away fan, you will be housed in the Visiting Supporters section of The Caldwell Construction Stand. Dependant on the competition of the match and its demand for tickets you will receive some or all of this stand. For league games, clubs can expect a ticket allocation of up to 3,200 seats this season. Rail: Please note: Away supporters are often met by the police at the railway station and taken to Staffordshire University or a pub near to it for refreshments (unfortunately, they don’t pay for these!). They are then shuttle bussed up to the bet365 Stadium. After the game, there are buses that return away fans to the railway station official/unofficial coaches: Coaches are directed to, park, and drop off away supporters at the back of The Caldwell Construction Stand near to the Visiting Supporters turnstiles. They remain in situ there until departure after the final whistle So the coaches are staying put and shouldn't be a problem. |
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Post by J-Roar on Aug 4, 2024 18:29:45 GMT
That doesn't sound very clever. Must admit I was quite surprised how quickly these changes were made and the lack of construction modifications. Mmmmm.... Yeah, the gate is now here highlighted yellow. The red line is where up to 3000 away fans will be and the green line at the top of the path highlights the potential flashpoint, where up to 3000 away fans will be entering a really narrow footpath and smack bang into home fans with nowhere to go - as there are railings stopping them from going straight out onto Stanley Matthews Way. Home fans that used to go that way (red line below) now have to completely double back on themselves and follow the green line if they need to get to the top of the bank: Can you draw some hairy balls, a jap's eye and some jizz on this knob please. It looks incomplete. |
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Post by onepara on Aug 4, 2024 18:46:42 GMT
Looking at the pic. of the railed-seating (where the stewards are sitting). It looks to me that there are fixed ends to the rows of seating, therefore stopping you from leaving the rows at that end. Is this so?
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Post by AlanHansen on Aug 4, 2024 19:17:01 GMT
Coventry have a 3,044 allocation, it says this on their official ticket page for our game. It says this on an official Stoke City away fans guide ive just seen. Perhaps it's out of date: The Visiting Supporters Section: As an away fan, you will be housed in the Visiting Supporters section of The Caldwell Construction Stand. Dependant on the competition of the match and its demand for tickets you will receive some or all of this stand. For league games, clubs can expect a ticket allocation of up to 3,200 seats this season. Rail: Please note: Away supporters are often met by the police at the railway station and taken to Staffordshire University or a pub near to it for refreshments (unfortunately, they don’t pay for these!). They are then shuttle bussed up to the bet365 Stadium. After the game, there are buses that return away fans to the railway station official/unofficial coaches: Coaches are directed to, park, and drop off away supporters at the back of The Caldwell Construction Stand near to the Visiting Supporters turnstiles. They remain in situ there until departure after the final whistle So the coaches are staying put and shouldn't be a problem. I'm pretty sure that's not the case. My mate said the away end compound is now signposted home coaches. And Stoke fans were walking across it yesterday to get to the turnstiles in what was the old away end. |
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 4, 2024 19:51:06 GMT
So the coaches are staying put and shouldn't be a problem. I'm pretty sure that's not the case. My mate said the away end compound is now signposted home coaches. And Stoke fans were walking across it yesterday to get to the turnstiles in what was the old away end. Just another point. If the away coaches are on the south car park (which I think they will) ... Which way will they exit? Back towards the A50 or towards Trentham? If it's towards Trentham it's going to be more chaotic than usual. |
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