Hoever

[Jimm]

Aug 7, 2024 21:23:28 GMT baconburger said:

Aug 7, 2024 21:13:22 GMT Jimm said:

Where have I said safety first? I said playing to our players strength's. You're one of these people that think any team can just play as prime barca. See how many times you go home happy after trying to play like that with this lot.

Which players strengths are these. I would have thought it made far more sense to recruit players to try play the type of football we played at the end of the season but you don't like those players so you must want to recruit players to play a different way. So what is that??

What are you talking about. Like you said we need to recruit players to play that way, which currently we do not have and signing Cundle is not going to change that! I have the opinion of Cundle not being as good as some on here think he was, after 3/4 good games and Hoever being poor positionally. How dare I have an opinion.

[baconburger]

Aug 7, 2024 21:24:08 GMT hcstokie said:

Aug 7, 2024 20:12:48 GMT baconburger said:

Pretty much shows you wouldn't know a footballer if you saw one.

My idea of a footballer, especially a defender, is a playing that;

1. Has a semblance of positional play
2. Doesn’t consistently lose their man
3. Doesn’t get done 1v1 repeatedly
4. Doesn’t give a guilt-edged chance to the opposition EVERY game
5. Doesn’t play the type of cross-field pass across the defence that is coached out of you at primary school age

Over the course of a season, a defender that does the above, will cost a team far more points than he wins by chipping in with a couple of goals.

Hoever was a calamity last year, despite having a few good games at the end of the season.

I heard all that crap when he had a particularly poor run of form pre Christmas and clowns like you were clamouring for him to be sent back to Wolves and told you all then he'd be staying and go on to play a big part in the rest of our season. A few good games at the end of the season my arse. Consistently selected by both manager/HC in positions including quite a few good games at RCB for a player who allegedly can't defend. You're a bunch of plonkers who got proved to be thick as mince. Most of you have piped down but some folk can't stop digging even when they're in hole.

[baconburger]

Aug 7, 2024 21:30:54 GMT Jimm said:

Aug 7, 2024 21:23:28 GMT baconburger said:

Which players strengths are these. I would have thought it made far more sense to recruit players to try play the type of football we played at the end of the season but you don't like those players so you must want to recruit players to play a different way. So what is that??

What are you talking about. Like you said we need to recruit players to play that way, which currently we do not have and signing Cundle is not going to change that! I have the opinion of Cundle not being as good as some on here think he was, after 3/4 good games and Hoever being poor positionally. How dare I have an opinion.

You can have your opinion all day and I can say imo it's backward all day too that sort of thing happens on a message board. 

[scfcno1fan]

That fraz Fletcher saying Hoever deal unlikely.

[GeneralFaye]

Aug 7, 2024 21:22:45 GMT DC1863 said:

Hoever and Cundle are both only 22 with lots of improving still left to do.

If we managed to land both of them on permanent deals I personally think it would be excellent business.

The reality is we've been a bottom half Championship team for the last five years, we aren't gonna do much better.

I doubt Hoever would be permanent and I hope it's not, we need that budget on a striker. I'd suggest Cundle might have an option to buy in a loan deal too.

[GeneralFaye]

Aug 7, 2024 21:39:51 GMT scfcno1fan said:

That fraz Fletcher saying Hoever deal unlikely.

Probably best posting the actual quote for context

[SuperRickyFuller]

[wiltspotter9]

Get it done stoke

[hcstokie]

Aug 7, 2024 21:33:31 GMT baconburger said:

Aug 7, 2024 21:24:08 GMT hcstokie said:

My idea of a footballer, especially a defender, is a playing that;

1. Has a semblance of positional play
2. Doesn’t consistently lose their man
3. Doesn’t get done 1v1 repeatedly
4. Doesn’t give a guilt-edged chance to the opposition EVERY game
5. Doesn’t play the type of cross-field pass across the defence that is coached out of you at primary school age

Over the course of a season, a defender that does the above, will cost a team far more points than he wins by chipping in with a couple of goals.

Hoever was a calamity last year, despite having a few good games at the end of the season.

I heard all that crap when he had a particularly poor run of form pre Christmas and clowns like you were clamouring for him to be sent back to Wolves and told you all then he'd be staying and go on to play a big part in the rest of our season. A few good games at the end of the season my arse. Consistently selected by both manager/HC in positions including quite a few good games at RCB for a player who allegedly can't defend. You're a bunch of plonkers who got proved to be thick as mince. Most of you have piped down but some folk can't stop digging even when they're in hole.

Yes, he was consistently selected because there was nobody else! Junior got injured in the AFCON, Stevens was injured most of the season, resulting in Gooch (our other RB option) covering LB along with Thompson.

If you think Hoever played well for the majority of last year, rather than a handful of games, you’re more deluded than I thought.

If we do sign him, I hope he’s improved a lot and has a much more consistent season!

[bertiestan]

Aug 7, 2024 21:42:14 GMT SuperRickyFuller said:

Until we shift bodies I read that as🤷‍♂️🔴⚪️

[hcstokie]

Aug 7, 2024 21:28:36 GMT sealion100 said:

Aug 7, 2024 21:24:08 GMT hcstokie said:

My idea of a footballer, especially a defender, is a playing that;

1. Has a semblance of positional play
2. Doesn’t consistently lose their man
3. Doesn’t get done 1v1 repeatedly
4. Doesn’t give a guilt-edged chance to the opposition EVERY game
5. Doesn’t play the type of cross-field pass across the defence that is coached out of you at primary school age

Over the course of a season, a defender that does the above, will cost a team far more points than he wins by chipping in with a couple of goals.

Hoever was a calamity last year, despite having a few good games at the end of the season.

You’ve just described Jnr !!!

That may be the case, but that doesn’t mean it’s not equally true about Hoever.

At least Junior is our player, younger, and one we could develop and profit from.

[a]

Aug 7, 2024 21:39:51 GMT scfcno1fan said:

That fraz Fletcher saying Hoever deal unlikely.

I would agree. I don’t think a player coming back to a bottom end championship side shows ambition. I’d have him back but I think he might’ve wised up to the fact that unless he is part of success somewhere soon he’ll run out of contract and dissolve into obscurity

[bayernoatcake]

Let’s hope Fletcher is right for once.

[J-Roar]

Aug 5, 2024 14:53:59 GMT wearepremierleague said:

Aug 5, 2024 14:32:20 GMT LGH87 said:

Wonder what he's failed on, whether there's some underlying issue.

Hopefully we can pick him up for a cut price now lol.

Shoulder.

Shoulder Blades?

[matelot1996]

Hoever is not a defender, he is a winger. Therefore, he doesn’t fit the way we have been playing for the last few seasons.
He certainly can’t cover 3 different positions and expect to do them all proficiently. He has been badly Mis-managed.
If he plays at another club in an attacking / winger role he will do well.

[boskampsflaps]

Aug 7, 2024 21:42:14 GMT SuperRickyFuller said:

Time to move on.

[jordan2009]

It's simple. If we want to get the best out of Manoef then we need a Hoever or someone similar. Manoef will struggle with Junior behind him.

[GeneralFaye]

Aug 7, 2024 22:34:16 GMT matelot1996 said:

Hoever is not a defender, he is a winger. Therefore, he doesn’t fit the way we have been playing for the last few seasons.
He certainly can’t cover 3 different positions and expect to do them all proficiently. He has been badly Mis-managed.
If he plays at another club in an attacking / winger role he will do well.

He's a wingback, never a winger.

[bayernoatcake]

He’s just not very good.

[Deleted]

Aug 7, 2024 21:48:12 GMT bertiestan said:

Aug 7, 2024 21:42:14 GMT SuperRickyFuller said:

Until we shift bodies I read that as🤷‍♂️🔴⚪️

You might be right, wouldve thought more wage structure?

[matelot1996]

Aug 7, 2024 22:47:31 GMT GeneralFaye said:

Aug 7, 2024 22:34:16 GMT matelot1996 said:

Hoever is not a defender, he is a winger. Therefore, he doesn’t fit the way we have been playing for the last few seasons.
He certainly can’t cover 3 different positions and expect to do them all proficiently. He has been badly Mis-managed.
If he plays at another club in an attacking / winger role he will do well.

He's a wingback, never a winger.

He simply can’t defend. His mentality is attacking football. Never a wingback, hence why he is struggling with his game.

[spitthedog]

Aug 7, 2024 21:56:26 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Let’s hope Fletcher is right for once.

If you try as many times as Fraser you have got to be right somewhere along the line.

The way Fraser approaches journalism reminds me of the way Derek Acorah used to work as a psychic medium.
Taking bits of info they pick up from others and presenting it like they know something no-one else does.

[hancockscfc]

Aug 7, 2024 23:00:59 GMT bayernoatcake said:

He’s just not very good.

He’s a bit of an enigma for me. Sometimes I just wonder what competition he’s won to make it on the pitch and other times I wonder how we got him and why he’s not in the prem.

We’re in an unfortunate position where we can’t really afford luxuries at current time

[bayernoatcake]

Aug 7, 2024 23:19:37 GMT hancockscfc said:

Aug 7, 2024 23:00:59 GMT bayernoatcake said:

He’s just not very good.

He’s a bit of an enigma for me. Sometimes I just wonder what competition he’s won to make it on the pitch and other times I wonder how we got him and why he’s not in the prem.

We’re in an unfortunate position where we can’t really afford luxuries at current time

I don’t even see him as a luxury because his crossing was so poor.

Maybe he’ll flourish in a better team where his mistakes are better hidden. I’m not sure.

We had him on loan twice.

He did the same thing twice.

Was poor for the majority of the time and had a purple patch.

We need better than that.

[march4]

Leris out and Hoever in.

Would be happy with that.

[PotterLog]

Aug 7, 2024 23:19:37 GMT hancockscfc said:

Aug 7, 2024 23:00:59 GMT bayernoatcake said:

He’s just not very good.

He’s a bit of an enigma for me. Sometimes I just wonder what competition he’s won to make it on the pitch and other times I wonder how we got him and why he’s not in the prem.

We’re in an unfortunate position where we can’t really afford luxuries at current time

He’s just dynamite going forward (or can be) and horrifyingly shite defending. That’s what you get, it’s no enigma really. Will cost at least as many goals as he makes 🤷🏼‍♂️ you pays yer money..

[GeneralFaye]

Aug 7, 2024 23:04:48 GMT matelot1996 said:

Aug 7, 2024 22:47:31 GMT GeneralFaye said:

He's a wingback, never a winger.

He simply can’t defend. His mentality is attacking football. Never a wingback, hence why he is struggling with his game.

Just because he's a poor defender, it doesn't therefore make him a winger by default.

[robwahlmann]

Aug 7, 2024 21:56:26 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Let’s hope Fletcher is right for once.

For the wages it was rumoured we were paying him I think we at least should bring in a fullback that can defend as well. Hoever wasn't bad going forward, but was a liability defensively.

[mattythestokie]

Aug 7, 2024 23:11:49 GMT spitthedog said:

Aug 7, 2024 21:56:26 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Let’s hope Fletcher is right for once.

If you try as many times as Fraser you have got to be right somewhere along the line.

The way Fraser approaches journalism reminds me of the way Derek Acorah used to work as a psychic medium.
Taking bits of info they pick up from others and presenting it like they know something no-one else does.

It’s one of them once you realise it you can’t unsee it.

Any form of news breaking he’ll tweet it and reword it within the hour.

[delilahwhy]

Aug 7, 2024 21:56:26 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Let’s hope Fletcher is right for once.

Shouldn't you be swimming?

Get in the fucking sea.