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Hoever
Aug 1, 2024 14:51:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2024 14:51:52 GMT
We need a right back then. No we don't. We have 2 and a makeshift one, who is a bit shit but still... Tchamadeu is a perfectly good right back with plenty of physicality. If our attacking options provide more then you don't have to rely on a defender to be the main attacking threat. I’d be happier if we brought in one who was similar to Stevens, I.e., a seasoned pro on a short-term deal. He could help to mentor Junior and if Junior loses form, there is a short-term option to replace him. |
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Hoever
Aug 1, 2024 16:22:24 GMT
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Post by lordb on Aug 1, 2024 16:22:24 GMT
Strange one as my impression of Wilder teams is that they defend deep and play a lot of long passes forward which sort of negates Hoever's strengths. Also wasn't Wilder a fullback himself which tends to suggest that he rates Hoever's defensive qualities higher than some on here. I can't honestly see it working but probably because I thought he was a great fit for a Schumacher team. I'm sad he's not coming back. He was far more passionate than a lot of our players. Wouldn't be a surprise if Wilder uses him in the back 3 rather than wing back |
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Post by lordb on Aug 1, 2024 16:26:03 GMT
We need a right back then. No we don't. We have 2 and a makeshift one, who is a bit shit but still... Tchamadeu is a perfectly good rightoocoo back with plenty of physicality. If our attacking options provide more then you don't have to rely on a defender to be the main attacking threat. 2? Junior is a right back Leris is a right sided utility player, wouldn't want him playing RB much Gooch is a winger who is also a good wing back, both sides of the pitch again he can play fullback but don't want to see him there too often It's not top of the list of priorities but an actual second RB would be preferable I'm in the minority who would love Hoever back, obviously not happening |
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Hoever
Aug 1, 2024 16:31:34 GMT
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Aug 1, 2024 16:31:34 GMT
Willmott can fill in at RB too. Hopefully that’s the end of the Hoever thread as we’re now talking about players we have not those who used to play for us.
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Post by coomerson on Aug 1, 2024 16:48:37 GMT
No one knows him better than the Stoke mgt so if he’s gone to SU it’s because we didn’t want him back.
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Hoever
Aug 1, 2024 16:58:00 GMT
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Post by greenhoff on Aug 1, 2024 16:58:00 GMT
Strange one as my impression of Wilder teams is that they defend deep and play a lot of long passes forward which sort of negates Hoever's strengths. Also wasn't Wilder a fullback himself which tends to suggest that he rates Hoever's defensive qualities higher than some on here. I can't honestly see it working but probably because I thought he was a great fit for a Schumacher team. I'm sad he's not coming back. He was far more passionate than a lot of our players. Wouldn't be a surprise if Wilder uses him in the back 3 rather than wing back That’s a really good shout |
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Hoever
Aug 1, 2024 17:06:00 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 1, 2024 17:06:00 GMT
Big disappointment for me this.
He's the difference between having a chance of the play-offs and lower table.
I'm terribly, terribly annoyed.🙃
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Post by stokest5 on Aug 1, 2024 17:28:01 GMT
Big disappointment for me this. He's the difference between having a chance of the play-offs and lower table. I'm terribly, terribly annoyed.🙃 I didn’t myself but there was a home game last season a cheer went up when he was substituted. I don’t blame him for not coming back that’s if we were in for him. |
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Hoever
Aug 1, 2024 17:51:40 GMT
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Post by strettonstokie on Aug 1, 2024 17:51:40 GMT
Big disappointment for me this. He's the difference between having a chance of the play-offs and lower table. I'm terribly, terribly annoyed.🙃 Playoffs are totally unrealistic for this season anyway |
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Post by lordb on Aug 1, 2024 17:51:44 GMT
No one knows him better than the Stoke mgt so if he’s gone to SU it’s because we didn’t want him back. No it's because he was too expensive |
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Hoever
Aug 1, 2024 18:07:50 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 1, 2024 18:07:50 GMT
Big disappointment for me this. He's the difference between having a chance of the play-offs and lower table. I'm terribly, terribly annoyed.🙃 I didn’t myself but there was a home game last season a cheer went up when he was substituted. I don’t blame him for not coming back that’s if we were in for him. Did he eventually come off against Birmingham at home? If so, must've been that game because that was the worst RB performance I've ever seen in the flesh (somehow worse than Martina, which was some achievement) |
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Post by lordb on Aug 1, 2024 18:10:08 GMT
I didn’t myself but there was a home game last season a cheer went up when he was substituted. I don’t blame him for not coming back that’s if we were in for him. Did he eventually come off against Birmingham at home? If so, must've been that game because that was the worst RB performance I've ever seen in the flesh (somehow worse than Martina, which was some achievement) It was a shocker He, imo, majority of games (yes majority) defended absolutely fine however when he was bad he could be very very bad indeed |
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Post by RonnieStokie on Aug 1, 2024 18:37:15 GMT
Why would he have even wanted to come back for a third time? Pretty sure he's got some ambition.
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Hoever
Aug 1, 2024 18:48:41 GMT
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Post by stokest5 on Aug 1, 2024 18:48:41 GMT
I didn’t myself but there was a home game last season a cheer went up when he was substituted. I don’t blame him for not coming back that’s if we were in for him. Did he eventually come off against Birmingham at home? If so, must've been that game because that was the worst RB performance I've ever seen in the flesh (somehow worse than Martina, which was some achievement) Can’t remember the opposition think he’d had a bad couple of games thought still the point being is there’s a lot of people on this thread saying how he’s a loss yet the lad was cheered off the pitch when subbed off! |
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Post by idle on Aug 1, 2024 19:00:55 GMT
Every single game actually. No hyperbole at all here Yes, basically. Never seen such a casual footballer so close to his own goal. Nope, no more than McNally, Rose, Stevens or Wilmot, so it was due to tactics. Junior didn't, probably because he was too hot-headed to dare. He had two passes that were intercepted, one leading to a goal. This hyberbole that he couldn't defend is pathetic. He couldn't defend because he was asked to attack. When he played RCB he was fine. Not perfect, but fine. |
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Hoever
Aug 1, 2024 19:31:11 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 1, 2024 19:31:11 GMT
Yes, basically. Never seen such a casual footballer so close to his own goal. Nope, no more than McNally, Rose, Stevens or Wilmot, so it was due to tactics. Junior didn't, probably because he was too hot-headed to dare. He had two passes that were intercepted, one leading to a goal. This hyberbole that he couldn't defend is pathetic. He couldn't defend because he was asked to attack. When he played RCB he was fine. Not perfect, but fine. Aye, you're not going overboard with your praise are you? I didn't say his passes lead to goals every game, I said he needlessly gave the ball away being casual all the time, and he bloody did. And thanks for highlighting the issue with our defenders, they all were too casual last season you're right, not just Hoever. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 1, 2024 19:34:14 GMT
No one knows him better than the Stoke mgt so if he’s gone to SU it’s because we didn’t want him back. Or Sheffield United could pay more... Either way I'm not that fussed, he got rinsed time and time again and never seemed to learn from it. |
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Hoever
Aug 2, 2024 6:11:15 GMT
Post by idle on Aug 2, 2024 6:11:15 GMT
Nope, no more than McNally, Rose, Stevens or Wilmot, so it was due to tactics. Junior didn't, probably because he was too hot-headed to dare. He had two passes that were intercepted, one leading to a goal. This hyberbole that he couldn't defend is pathetic. He couldn't defend because he was asked to attack. When he played RCB he was fine. Not perfect, but fine. Aye, you're not going overboard with your praise are you? I didn't say his passes lead to goals every game, I said he needlessly gave the ball away being casual all the time, and he bloody did. And thanks for highlighting the issue with our defenders, they all were too casual last season you're right, not just Hoever. No, Hoever is an average defender, but superb going forward (and frankly kind of inconsistent). He's much better when the rest of the defence and DM is good enough to cover when he goes forward. We'll see what people think of Bocat if Gibson and Thompson can't cover for him. I suspect he'll be classed just like Hoever. |
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Hoever
Aug 2, 2024 6:23:53 GMT
Post by robwahlmann on Aug 2, 2024 6:23:53 GMT
I'm really glad Sheffield have come in for him, one of the worst defenders to ever play for us.  |
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Hoever
Aug 2, 2024 6:32:45 GMT
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Post by tuum on Aug 2, 2024 6:32:45 GMT
No we don't. We have 2 and a makeshift one, who is a bit shit but still... Tchamadeu is a perfectly good rightoocoo back with plenty of physicality. If our attacking options provide more then you don't have to rely on a defender to be the main attacking threat. 2? Junior is a right back Leris is a right sided utility player, wouldn't want him playing RB much Gooch is a winger who is also a good wing back, both sides of the pitch again he can play fullback but don't want to see him there too often It's not top of the list of priorities but an actual second RB would be preferable I'm in the minority who would love Hoever back, obviously not happening Leris came on as sub on his debut and played right back. I think it was Millwall away. I said after the game that if I was Hoever I would be concerned (from a defensive point of view). Leris played well in that game at RB and surprised he was not used there more often depending on needs. |
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 2, 2024 7:06:12 GMT
Big pressure on Junior to improve. Fast. Junior is better I think. Time will tell. He absolutely is not. Hoever is on a completely different level. |
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Post by femark on Aug 2, 2024 7:09:38 GMT
Junior is better I think. Time will tell. He absolutely is not. Hoever is on a completely different level. In fairness Hoever is 2 years older. I can see Junior developing into an excellent fullback but we've got to be patient with him. |
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Hoever
Aug 2, 2024 7:26:58 GMT
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Post by stokieinlondon on Aug 2, 2024 7:26:58 GMT
No we don't. We have 2 and a makeshift one, who is a bit shit but still... Tchamadeu is a perfectly good right back with plenty of physicality. If our attacking options provide more then you don't have to rely on a defender to be the main attacking threat. I’d be happier if we brought in one who was similar to Stevens, I.e., a seasoned pro on a short-term deal. He could help to mentor Junior and if Junior loses form, there is a short-term option to replace him. Like Stephen Ward 🥴 |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 2, 2024 7:51:13 GMT
I'm really glad Sheffield have come in for him, one of the worst defenders to ever play for us. You do talk some rubbish. He could improve one on one but he is very solid in the air, at the back post and adds so much going forward. Let’s see how Junior gets on but in a short season he make critical mistakes in a regular basis |
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Hoever
Aug 2, 2024 7:59:25 GMT
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Aug 2, 2024 7:59:25 GMT
Big disappointment for me this. He's the difference between having a chance of the play-offs and lower table. I'm terribly, terribly annoyed.🙃 He really isn't the difference. |
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Hoever
Aug 2, 2024 8:02:07 GMT
Post by robwahlmann on Aug 2, 2024 8:02:07 GMT
I'm really glad Sheffield have come in for him, one of the worst defenders to ever play for us. You do talk some rubbish. He could improve one on one but he is very solid in the air, at the back post and adds so much going forward. Let’s see how Junior gets on but in a short season he make critical mistakes in a regular basis You're right he wasn't bad in the air when occasionally was in the right position.  |
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Hoever
Aug 2, 2024 8:06:37 GMT
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Aug 2, 2024 8:06:37 GMT
Junior is better I think. Time will tell. He absolutely is not. Hoever is on a completely different level. Not sure about different level, currently he’s better going forward but defensively Hoever was spectacularly poor in matches last season. Think Junior has better potential but then again what do I know😀 |
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Post by bambered on Aug 2, 2024 8:08:11 GMT
I’d prefer to have Cundle back, either loan or perm.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 2, 2024 8:09:39 GMT
Strange one as my impression of Wilder teams is that they defend deep and play a lot of long passes forward which sort of negates Hoever's strengths. Also wasn't Wilder a fullback himself which tends to suggest that he rates Hoever's defensive qualities higher than some on here. I can't honestly see it working but probably because I thought he was a great fit for a Schumacher team. I'm sad he's not coming back. He was far more passionate than a lot of our players. Loved him but he’s dead to us now. |
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Hoever
Aug 2, 2024 8:40:52 GMT
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Post by march4 on Aug 2, 2024 8:40:52 GMT
We need a right back then. No we don't. We have 2 and a makeshift one, who is a bit shit but still... Tchamadeu is a perfectly good right back with plenty of physicality. If our attacking options provide more then you don't have to rely on a defender to be the main attacking threat. Leris looks like he’s leaving. We are desperate for a right back. |
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