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Post by degoeystache on Sept 29, 2024 12:27:41 GMT
I think Cannon is still finding fitness but yesterday he was unbelievable isolated and it would help if we attack. Gallagher come on and the ball went up to him twice and he had one player within 5-10 yards and the second time he had nobody within 30 yards of him.
Against Hull he picked up some good spaces between the centre halves and was pointing where he wanted the ball, which was split between the two centre halves into space, instead we passed it sideways and nowhere.
If he’s going to do the business we need to find a way to play to his strengths.
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Post by pushon on Sept 29, 2024 12:50:36 GMT
I think Cannon is still finding fitness but yesterday he was unbelievable isolated and it would help if we attack. Gallagher come on and the ball went up to him twice and he had one player within 5-10 yards and the second time he had nobody within 30 yards of him. Against Hull he picked up some good spaces between the centre halves and was pointing where he wanted the ball, which was split between the two centre halves into space, instead we passed it sideways and nowhere. If he’s going to do the business we need to find a way to play to his strengths. Yes support for attacking players was,not far off, none existent |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 29, 2024 13:11:59 GMT
Both Cannon & Gallagher,play better with a strike partner,so what do Stoke do,have them playing without one,so why not play both together?
I know we will have to alter the formation to do it,but the formations we have tried just ain't working.
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Post by LphPotter on Sept 29, 2024 13:12:29 GMT
Delap scored again today for Ipswich. Another who looked terrible playing for us and in a team that creates so little
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 29, 2024 13:48:25 GMT
For Tom Canon see Liam Delap, he’ll be good in a couple of seasons At least you could see with Delap he had attributes but was learning how to use them, could see his athleticism, work ethic, willingness to run and work the channels. Not seen a glimpse of Cannons attributes or what he could potentially be, is he good back to goal? Does he work the channels? Or is he going to rely on chances being put on a plate for him? It’s quite easy to see that Cannon hasn’t had any service, similar to others in recent years. We have an awful midfield, no width and no crosses or overlap. Thompson we know is not good enough, Burger has been shite, Bae has been awful. It’s no surprise Cannon isn’t scoring. |
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 29, 2024 15:22:20 GMT
Both Cannon & Gallagher,play better with a strike partner,so what do Stoke do,have them playing without one,so why not play both together? I know we will have to alter the formation to do it,but the formations we have tried just ain't working. My worry is that, as with most managers, this one is will be wedded to drawing in pressure, fannying around at the back, and leaving a lone forward like Tom all on his own feeding on whatever scraps come his way. If Walters wanted a yes man, he needs to take control and tell his little puppet he wants a formation that gets the best out of our goal threats and make it so. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 29, 2024 17:03:28 GMT
Both Cannon & Gallagher,play better with a strike partner,so what do Stoke do,have them playing without one,so why not play both together? I know we will have to alter the formation to do it,but the formations we have tried just ain't working. My worry is that, as with most managers, this one is will be wedded to drawing in pressure, fannying around at the back, and leaving a lone forward like Tom all on his own feeding on whatever scraps come his way. If Walters wanted a yes man, he needs to take control and tell his little puppet he wants a formation that gets the best out of our goal threats and make it so. Not sure after what Walters has done how he is a yes man in any way. In fact the complete opposite |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 29, 2024 17:45:56 GMT
It’s impossible to judge him so far. The team is rank and the strikers are the first to suffer in such circumstances
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Post by collo68 on Sept 29, 2024 18:10:22 GMT
Play him up with Gallagher, Million and Koumas either side and go for it. Insanity is doing the same things and expecting different results.
The other coaches need to have a word with the new gaffer and modify his expectations. Get some results and gradually progress as to what he wants.
No manager should come in and make so many changes, it doesn’t happen in business as I’ve been in management for 30 years and I go in and have a look before making sweeping changes, it’s not rocket science.
What I don’t get it when he was interviewed and he said he wanted to be a possession team the two Johns should have known that Stoke fans aren’t going to put up with that unless the results are instantaneous. Passing
It for passing it sake is the scourge of modern football
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 29, 2024 18:14:24 GMT
Play him up with Gallagher, Million and Koumas either side and go for it. Insanity is doing the same things and expecting different results. The other coaches need to have a word with the new gaffer and modify his expectations. Get some results and gradually progress as to what he wants. No manager should come in and make so many changes, it doesn’t happen in business as I’ve been in management for 30 years and I go in and have a look before making sweeping changes, it’s not rocket science. What I don’t get it when he was interviewed and he said he wanted to be a possession team the two Johns should have known that Stoke fans aren’t going to put up with that unless the results are instantaneous. Passing It for passing it sake is the scourge of modern football I feel with those four in forward areas we would need 3 “proper” midfielders which would mean 3 at the back🤔 Tbh we may as well try that because our full backs can’t defend for shit. |
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Post by collo68 on Sept 29, 2024 18:20:23 GMT
Play him up with Gallagher, Million and Koumas either side and go for it. Insanity is doing the same things and expecting different results. The other coaches need to have a word with the new gaffer and modify his expectations. Get some results and gradually progress as to what he wants. No manager should come in and make so many changes, it doesn’t happen in business as I’ve been in management for 30 years and I go in and have a look before making sweeping changes, it’s not rocket science. What I don’t get it when he was interviewed and he said he wanted to be a possession team the two Johns should have known that Stoke fans aren’t going to put up with that unless the results are instantaneous. Passing It for passing it sake is the scourge of modern football I feel with those four in forward areas we would need 3 “proper” midfielders which would mean 3 at the back🤔 Tbh we may as well try that because our full backs can’t defend for shit. It can’t be any worse than Saturday. At least if we get the ball in the opponents half and get to the ball to the two wingers they will create something. We can also press with a front 4 and make the opponents bypass the midfield which will suit us. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 29, 2024 18:27:04 GMT
I feel with those four in forward areas we would need 3 “proper” midfielders which would mean 3 at the back🤔 Tbh we may as well try that because our full backs can’t defend for shit. It can’t be any worse than Saturday. At least if we get the ball in the opponents half and get to the ball to the two wingers they will create something. We can also press with a front 4 and make the opponents bypass the midfield which will suit us. We may aswell apply for the managers job when it comes up in a couple of weeks, Walters would be impressed |
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Post by questionable on Sept 29, 2024 18:35:55 GMT
Play him up with Gallagher, Million and Koumas either side and go for it. Insanity is doing the same things and expecting different results. The other coaches need to have a word with the new gaffer and modify his expectations. Get some results and gradually progress as to what he wants. No manager should come in and make so many changes, it doesn’t happen in business as I’ve been in management for 30 years and I go in and have a look before making sweeping changes, it’s not rocket science. What I don’t get it when he was interviewed and he said he wanted to be a possession team the two Johns should have known that Stoke fans aren’t going to put up with that unless the results are instantaneous. Passing It for passing it sake is the scourge of modern football Shocked yesterday just how bad Koumas was, couldn’t go past a player and bounced off their players. Looked what he is a young kid struggling against experience, mind in saying this that was one of if not the worst manegerial performances I have ever seen. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 29, 2024 18:36:44 GMT
Play him up with Gallagher, Million and Koumas either side and go for it. Insanity is doing the same things and expecting different results. The other coaches need to have a word with the new gaffer and modify his expectations. Get some results and gradually progress as to what he wants. No manager should come in and make so many changes, it doesn’t happen in business as I’ve been in management for 30 years and I go in and have a look before making sweeping changes, it’s not rocket science. What I don’t get it when he was interviewed and he said he wanted to be a possession team the two Johns should have known that Stoke fans aren’t going to put up with that unless the results are instantaneous. Passing It for passing it sake is the scourge of modern football Shocked yesterday just how bad Koumas was, couldn’t go past a player and bounced off their players. Looked what he is a young kid struggling against experience, mind in saying this that was one of if not the worst manegerial performances I have ever seen. Koumas is a gem and if I was him I’d be looking to get out of this club |
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Post by questionable on Sept 29, 2024 18:45:27 GMT
Shocked yesterday just how bad Koumas was, couldn’t go past a player and bounced off their players. Looked what he is a young kid struggling against experience, mind in saying this that was one of if not the worst manegerial performances I have ever seen. Koumas is a gem and if I was him I’d be looking to get out of this club He’s a good player no doubt but the other Liverpool loanee yesterday for Boro looked even better to me. I’m still right pissed off what I witnessed yesterday, it was beyond awful and honestly I can see it as the norm, who in their right mind would remotely think that was acceptable and who in their tiny minds would approach this bloke as a coach, we deserve to relegated we really do. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 29, 2024 18:52:59 GMT
Koumas is a gem and if I was him I’d be looking to get out of this club He’s a good player no doubt but the other Liverpool loanee yesterday for Boro looked even better to me. I’m still right pissed off what I witnessed yesterday, it was beyond awful and honestly I can see it as the norm, who in their right mind would remotely think that was acceptable and who in their tiny minds would approach this bloke as a coach, we deserve to relegated we really do. Doak is more advanced in terms of experience, he’s played for the first team and been in the squad numerous occasions last season. Boro pulled off a real coup getting him, he’ll probably be the best player in the league this season and get sold for £20 million at the end of it. Koumas is a year or two behind in developement and it shows a bit but he’s going to be an excellent player for sure |
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Post by thornestein on Sept 29, 2024 19:21:23 GMT
It’s impossible to judge him so far. The team is rank and the strikers are the first to suffer in such circumstances it’s the same as Delap , service to him was woeful , the same now for Canon , but fans soon start blaming the player |
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Post by idle on Sept 29, 2024 19:24:52 GMT
I actually think he's looked ok, making runs and trying his best to get onto the little service he gets. Usually a punt clearance from the CBs. He's not that kind of striker, and Gallagher didn't do much better with it.
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Post by datguy on Oct 2, 2024 19:32:06 GMT
Said it before we signed him… don’t get the hype really. An okay half season at Preston and now looks like he thinks he’s 10 men because he had a few teams after him over the summer (but did he really - why did he end up here?) Was truly shocking midweek. We’ve just sent a Champo League striker out on loan… Hahahahaha Christ the post-match overreaction in a post. Sorry Thomas  |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 2, 2024 19:33:19 GMT
Reminder to all those clowns 🤡 who said he was shit… |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 2, 2024 19:35:23 GMT
Reminder to all those clowns 🤡 who said he was shit… Thanks 😊 one game doesn't make him the saviour. However, the absolute bollocks that was being said about him was a joke and deserved calling out. |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 2, 2024 19:36:42 GMT
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Post by citynickscfc on Oct 2, 2024 19:39:01 GMT
Reminder to all those clowns 🤡 who said he was shit… I'm a happy clown tonight... So far |
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 2, 2024 19:39:04 GMT
He’s shit.
Should have had a first half hat trick and set up another two.
Two goals and an assist in 45 minutes is verging on unforgivable.
And don’t get me started on Gallagher. Carthorse.
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Post by mattythestokie on Oct 2, 2024 19:40:01 GMT
Reminder to all those clowns 🤡 who said he was shit… Thanks 😊 one game doesn't make him the saviour. However, the absolute bollocks that was being said about him was a joke and deserved calling out. Them finishes show that he can finish at least. We now know what he can do. Give him chances and he can score |
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Post by andromeda on Oct 2, 2024 19:40:17 GMT
Finally looking fit tonight! Got lucky with the first goal, but second goal was a fantastic finish. When was the last time we had a striker that composed when through on goal?
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Post by greystokie on Oct 2, 2024 19:40:56 GMT
It's amazing how a "donkey" can change when he gets some decent service
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Post by tejstokie on Oct 2, 2024 19:41:24 GMT
From meh last go about, to ehhh... Now I see it!
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Post by mrnovember on Oct 2, 2024 19:41:52 GMT
We're just pretending he did absolutely fucking nothing in his first three games then. Criticism of a footballers performances isn't an absolute for fucks sake.
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 2, 2024 19:41:53 GMT
With Gallagher alongside him he will be great. The Oracle. Bayern eat your heart out. This is how to post on this board. Succinct and accurate 🙌🙌🙌 |
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