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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 26, 2024 7:30:49 GMT
'bring clarity to what is demanded from first team players in terms of tactics and approach'Which infers there was no clarity under the previous HC? Pretty damning words, but with the comfort of knowing there will be no right of reply. A fine example of a quote taken totally out of context to try to make a point. Walters was actually talking about recruitment since Pulis left and saying something which I would imagine 90% of fans have been saying. Starting with Mark Hughes the owners have been very generous to managers, allowing them to spend a lot of money on players who haven't fitted in and who have been a burden on the club for three or four years. His job is to decide how the club should be playing, and therefore what the profile of first team players should be. He also chooses head coaches whose principles fit in with the way the the club want to play and can use the players in the way for which they were bought . It means that if a HC leaves or is sacked, the club are not left with a squad which does not suit the next coach's tactics. There is nothing critical of SS, just the haphazard way in which the club has recruited in the last ten years. That quote was copied from www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-jon-walters-transfers-9581217If you don't like it take it up with Pete Smith.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 26, 2024 7:48:13 GMT
How are they being divisive if they have conflicting opinions to yourself what is there to divide?? Just out of interest how many posts have you made on this thread? All with the same purpose. OK what is that purpose meant to be?? As you can see from the thread some posters don’t particularly like JW and certainly can’t see what qualifies him to be in the position he’s in. In those terms his appointment is divisive, not people expressing their opinion of the man or his appointment. imo someone of dubious character making a big issue out of the character of others is sheer hypocrisy.
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Post by serpico on Sept 26, 2024 7:53:51 GMT
Got to be honest Ive never liked Walters ever since he started posting about the Tories on his social media and how they are best for the country because of lower taxes etc blah blah blah. Fair enough if you want to share ur political ideology to a wider audience due to you being a rich football player. But for me it just showed him as a bit of an arrogant self-centred show-off. If you are rich of course you want lower taxes - but maybe better not shout it out loud and keep it to yourself ?!?! Think hes a bit of a twat meself Not every Tory voter who wants lower taxes is wanting it for self centred reasons, there is a swathe of opinion that thinks lower taxes stimulates an economy, encourages investment etc and thus is beneficial to the greater good , you can disagree with that if you like, but just because someone wants lower taxes it doesn’t mean that point of view is always driven by greed! Sometimes it’s driven by a different economic philosophy/school of thought!
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 26, 2024 7:56:51 GMT
All getting far too personal this. My feeling is that it’s potentially a really bad decision (the replacement more than the sacking) but he’s made it and it is what it is. No point going over the top and microanalysing his entire personality.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 26, 2024 8:12:59 GMT
All getting far too personal this. My feeling is that it’s potentially a really bad decision (the replacement more than the sacking) but he’s made it and it is what it is. No point going over the top and microanalysing his entire personality. Why not isn’t character his chosen mantra? If you’re going to set yourself up as a judge of character you can expect anyone with an independent mind to take a look at your own.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 26, 2024 8:14:29 GMT
Just out of interest how many posts have you made on this thread? All with the same purpose. OK what is that purpose meant to be?? As you can see from the thread some posters don’t particularly like JW and certainly can’t see what qualifies him to be in the position he’s in. In those terms his appointment is divisive, not people expressing their opinion of the man or his appointment. imo someone of dubious character making a big issue out of the character of others is sheer hypocrisy. Another post not answering a simple straight forward question with a straight forward truthful answer. Repeated posts, same vindictive opinion with different phrasing/words which could have been made once on page 1 of the thread. I’ll repeat one last time. Please post: 1. What personal experience/interaction you have had with Walter’s. 2. Your knowledge/qualifications you have in running a multi million football business to deride (not question) his appointment. 3. Confirmation that you’ve never done anything in life that you regret and may be embarrassing in later life.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 26, 2024 8:15:12 GMT
Got to be honest Ive never liked Walters ever since he started posting about the Tories on his social media and how they are best for the country because of lower taxes etc blah blah blah. Fair enough if you want to share ur political ideology to a wider audience due to you being a rich football player. But for me it just showed him as a bit of an arrogant self-centred show-off. If you are rich of course you want lower taxes - but maybe better not shout it out loud and keep it to yourself ?!?! Think hes a bit of a twat meself Not every Tory voter who wants lower taxes is wanting it for self centred reasons, there is a swathe of opinion that thinks lower taxes stimulates an economy, encourages investment etc and thus is beneficial to the greater good , you can disagree with that if you like, but just because someone wants lower taxes it doesn’t mean that point of view is always driven by greed! Sometimes it’s driven by a different economic philosophy/school of thought! Yeah right, trickle down economics. That particular philosophy isn’t discredited at all🙈🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by baconburger on Sept 26, 2024 8:31:25 GMT
OK what is that purpose meant to be?? As you can see from the thread some posters don’t particularly like JW and certainly can’t see what qualifies him to be in the position he’s in. In those terms his appointment is divisive, not people expressing their opinion of the man or his appointment. imo someone of dubious character making a big issue out of the character of others is sheer hypocrisy. Another post not answering a simple straight forward question with a straight forward truthful answer. Repeated posts, same vindictive opinion with different phrasing/words which could have been made once on page 1 of the thread. I’ll repeat one last time. Please post: 1. What personal experience/interaction you have had with Walter’s. 2. Your knowledge/qualifications you have in running a multi million football business to deride (not question) his appointment. 3. Confirmation that you’ve never done anything in life that you regret and may be embarrassing in later life. It’s a message board that’s what happens on them believe it or not. I don’t start topics, I post in reply to what is posted by others to either agree or counter their opinions. You obviously want people who make points you like/agree with to post freely but those with a dissenting opinion to be limited to 1 comment on page one. You obviously share his hypocritical trait as you want to pass as many comments of your own as you like. I don’t need to answer 3 because I’m not the one making a big deal out of footballers character, some of the best players of all time have been particularly maverick. I want to see whoever is in control of choosing players to focus on producing the best football not collecting a load of good eggs who are easy to manage.
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 26, 2024 8:35:14 GMT
A fine example of a quote taken totally out of context to try to make a point. Walters was actually talking about recruitment since Pulis left and saying something which I would imagine 90% of fans have been saying. Starting with Mark Hughes the owners have been very generous to managers, allowing them to spend a lot of money on players who haven't fitted in and who have been a burden on the club for three or four years. His job is to decide how the club should be playing, and therefore what the profile of first team players should be. He also chooses head coaches whose principles fit in with the way the the club want to play and can use the players in the way for which they were bought . It means that if a HC leaves or is sacked, the club are not left with a squad which does not suit the next coach's tactics. There is nothing critical of SS, just the haphazard way in which the club has recruited in the last ten years. That quote was copied from www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-jon-walters-transfers-9581217If you don't like it take it up with Pete Smith. I know it was, but you haven't quoted the whole of the paragraph and so it is out of context. You have used that sentence to imply that it was a veiled criticism of SS wherras, as I have explained, he was actually criticising previous regimes back to Hughes for recruiting players who didn't really fit in to what was best for or needed by Stoke either because of character, age or playing style (think back to Wimmer and Berahino, and I would include Crouch). The next manager came in and didn't want these players but they were on three year contracts so we couldn't offload but we gave this new manager funds to bring in players who he wanted. You have to see that this was unsustainable. I think when Walters came in he and John agreed that the best way forward was to take the responsibility of player recruitment away from the manager and also to decide a desired style of play which they wanted to see implemented. I suspect it was this style of play which caused the friction with SS who wanted to play in his way. It is not what he signed up to when he joined Stoke, he was not recruited by Walters. Hence the reference to the club wanting a yes man. They wanted a manager who would coach to their style. He didn't agree and so keeping him. here was just delaying the way Jon and John wanted to go forwards. All conjecture of course, just the way I see it. I don't entirely trust Walters either but to use this quote to suggest he was criticising SS is harsh, especially as you have only chosen to quote the words which support your argument.
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 26, 2024 8:42:20 GMT
Got to be honest Ive never liked Walters ever since he started posting about the Tories on his social media and how they are best for the country because of lower taxes etc blah blah blah. Fair enough if you want to share ur political ideology to a wider audience due to you being a rich football player. But for me it just showed him as a bit of an arrogant self-centred show-off. If you are rich of course you want lower taxes - but maybe better not shout it out loud and keep it to yourself ?!?! Think hes a bit of a twat meself Not every Tory voter who wants lower taxes is wanting it for self centred reasons, there is a swathe of opinion that thinks lower taxes stimulates an economy, encourages investment etc and thus is beneficial to the greater good , you can disagree with that if you like, but just because someone wants lower taxes it doesn’t mean that point of view is always driven by greed! Sometimes it’s driven by a different economic philosophy/school of thought! I'm struggling to understand what a man's political persuasion or views has to do with his ability to run a football club but then I was brought up in a time when you didn't tell anyone who you voted for and you judged a person by their personality not political leanings.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 26, 2024 8:43:08 GMT
Got to be honest Ive never liked Walters ever since he started posting about the Tories on his social media and how they are best for the country because of lower taxes etc blah blah blah. Fair enough if you want to share ur political ideology to a wider audience due to you being a rich football player. But for me it just showed him as a bit of an arrogant self-centred show-off. If you are rich of course you want lower taxes - but maybe better not shout it out loud and keep it to yourself ?!?! Think hes a bit of a twat meself Not every Tory voter who wants lower taxes is wanting it for self centred reasons, there is a swathe of opinion that thinks lower taxes stimulates an economy, encourages investment etc and thus is beneficial to the greater good , you can disagree with that if you like, but just because someone wants lower taxes it doesn’t mean that point of view is always driven by greed! Sometimes it’s driven by a different economic philosophy/school of thought! I think you miss the point totally Serpico. Its not that I disagree with him or whatever. Its that he uses social media to push his political ideology. I just generally hate people using their platform to push politics. He has followers because hes a footballer. Keep it about the football. I cant stand friends of mine that push their politics on their Facebook feed. Thats a sure-fire way to get you unfriended.
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Post by wilcopotter on Sept 26, 2024 8:51:21 GMT
Another post not answering a simple straight forward question with a straight forward truthful answer. Repeated posts, same vindictive opinion with different phrasing/words which could have been made once on page 1 of the thread. I’ll repeat one last time. Please post: 1. What personal experience/interaction you have had with Walter’s. 2. Your knowledge/qualifications you have in running a multi million football business to deride (not question) his appointment. 3. Confirmation that you’ve never done anything in life that you regret and may be embarrassing in later life. It’s a message board that’s what happens on them believe it or not. I don’t start topics, I post in reply to what is posted by others to either agree or counter their opinions. You obviously want people who make points you like/agree with to post freely but those with a dissenting opinion to be limited to 1 comment on page one. You obviously share his hypocritical trait as you want to pass as many comments of your own as you like. I don’t need to answer 3 because I’m not the one making a big deal out of footballers character, some of the best players of all time have been particularly maverick. I want to see whoever is in control of choosing players to focus on producing the best football not collecting a load of good eggs who are easy to manage. So basically you don’t really know, but you have an opinion as it’s a message board. Get it👍.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 26, 2024 8:54:03 GMT
I know it was, but you haven't quoted the whole of the paragraph and so it is out of context. You have used that sentence to imply that it was a veiled criticism of SS wherras, as I have explained, he was actually criticising previous regimes back to Hughes for recruiting players who didn't really fit in to what was best for or needed by Stoke either because of character, age or playing style (think back to Wimmer and Berahino, and I would include Crouch). The next manager came in and didn't want these players but they were on three year contracts so we couldn't offload but we gave this new manager funds to bring in players who he wanted. You have to see that this was unsustainable. I think when Walters came in he and John agreed that the best way forward was to take the responsibility of player recruitment away from the manager and also to decide a desired style of play which they wanted to see implemented. I suspect it was this style of play which caused the friction with SS who wanted to play in his way. It is not what he signed up to when he joined Stoke, he was not recruited by Walters. Hence the reference to the club wanting a yes man. They wanted a manager who would coach to their style. He didn't agree and so keeping him. here was just delaying the way Jon and John wanted to go forwards. All conjecture of course, just the way I see it. I don't entirely trust Walters either but to use this quote to suggest he was criticising SS is harsh, especially as you have only chosen to quote the words which support your argument. For the record I don't have a problem with Jon Walters as a person and I remain open to be convinced of his technical capabilities as a Sporting Director over the fullness of time. What I was doing was using statement analysis to look for an embedded confession. It's a tool used largely by investigators to seek out what in common parlance is referred to as a 'brain fart'. The part that I selectively quoted was the statement, in my humble opinion, that demonstrated an embedded confession. I.e JW sub or consciously thinks that the technical aspects of the game have not been addressed adequately with the players. Now, as it was only just over a week into the current HC's reign it must have referred to the previous HC, surely. And as SS is no longer here, and probably bound by an NDA, is unable to respond if he wanted to. I didn't want to put all that in my original post as I didn't want to look like some kind of smart arse. I've stated my reasons and respect your viewpoint as I hope you can mine.
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 26, 2024 9:13:07 GMT
I know it was, but you haven't quoted the whole of the paragraph and so it is out of context. You have used that sentence to imply that it was a veiled criticism of SS wherras, as I have explained, he was actually criticising previous regimes back to Hughes for recruiting players who didn't really fit in to what was best for or needed by Stoke either because of character, age or playing style (think back to Wimmer and Berahino, and I would include Crouch). The next manager came in and didn't want these players but they were on three year contracts so we couldn't offload but we gave this new manager funds to bring in players who he wanted. You have to see that this was unsustainable. I think when Walters came in he and John agreed that the best way forward was to take the responsibility of player recruitment away from the manager and also to decide a desired style of play which they wanted to see implemented. I suspect it was this style of play which caused the friction with SS who wanted to play in his way. It is not what he signed up to when he joined Stoke, he was not recruited by Walters. Hence the reference to the club wanting a yes man. They wanted a manager who would coach to their style. He didn't agree and so keeping him. here was just delaying the way Jon and John wanted to go forwards. All conjecture of course, just the way I see it. I don't entirely trust Walters either but to use this quote to suggest he was criticising SS is harsh, especially as you have only chosen to quote the words which support your argument. For the record I don't have a problem with Jon Walters as a person and I remain open to be convinced of his technical capabilities as a Sporting Director over the fullness of time. What I was doing was using statement analysis to look for an embedded confession. It's a tool used largely by investigators to seek out what in common parlance is referred to as a 'brain fart'. The part that I selectively quoted was the statement, in my humble opinion, that demonstrated an embedded confession. I.e JW sub or consciously thinks that the technical aspects of the game have not been addressed adequately with the players. Now, as it was only just over a week into the current HC's reign it must have referred to the previous HC, surely. And as SS is no longer here, and probably bound by an NDA, is unable to respond if he wanted to. I didn't want to put all that in my original post as I didn't want to look like some kind of smart arse. I've stated my reasons and respect your viewpoint as I hope you can mine. Or all the preceding managers back to Hughes who couldn't get players to play in the way they wanted them to, especially when there were players from a previous manager. Which is why he thinks continuity of tactics and style will be a good thing. He might be saying that SS didn't agree with this imposition. I do respect your opinion and it is nice to chat with someone who actually explains what they think rather than says that everyone who disagrees with them is an idiot or worse.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 26, 2024 9:25:13 GMT
For the record I don't have a problem with Jon Walters as a person and I remain open to be convinced of his technical capabilities as a Sporting Director over the fullness of time. What I was doing was using statement analysis to look for an embedded confession. It's a tool used largely by investigators to seek out what in common parlance is referred to as a 'brain fart'. The part that I selectively quoted was the statement, in my humble opinion, that demonstrated an embedded confession. I.e JW sub or consciously thinks that the technical aspects of the game have not been addressed adequately with the players. Now, as it was only just over a week into the current HC's reign it must have referred to the previous HC, surely. And as SS is no longer here, and probably bound by an NDA, is unable to respond if he wanted to. I didn't want to put all that in my original post as I didn't want to look like some kind of smart arse. I've stated my reasons and respect your viewpoint as I hope you can mine. Or all the preceding managers back to Hughes who couldn't get players to play in the way they wanted them to, especially when there were players from a previous manager. Which is why he thinks continuity of tactics and style will be a good thing. He might be saying that SS didn't agree with this imposition. I do respect your opinion and it is nice to chat with someone who actually explains what they think rather than says that everyone who disagrees with them is an idiot or worse. Taking in the bigger picture, there's anecdotal evidence that last season SS had to change, or at least redefine his tactics, due to the players 'downing tools'. Whether it was such a thing, it happened on SJW's watch and might have been part of his thinking to replace the HC? It's too easy to over-think these things, I know. But if we had all the pieces of SJW's jigsaw we might see his picture and understand why the SS removal should not be the shock it was. And I agree, some on here need to chill a bit.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 26, 2024 10:31:25 GMT
It’s a message board that’s what happens on them believe it or not. I don’t start topics, I post in reply to what is posted by others to either agree or counter their opinions. You obviously want people who make points you like/agree with to post freely but those with a dissenting opinion to be limited to 1 comment on page one. You obviously share his hypocritical trait as you want to pass as many comments of your own as you like. I don’t need to answer 3 because I’m not the one making a big deal out of footballers character, some of the best players of all time have been particularly maverick. I want to see whoever is in control of choosing players to focus on producing the best football not collecting a load of good eggs who are easy to manage. So basically you don’t really know, but you have an opinion as it’s a message board. Get it👍. No, basically I don't much like what I do know about Walters neither do plenty of other folk. Don't like it hard luck, you won't shut it down. If less people kept blowing smoke up his arse there'd be less to respond to. Let's face facts he really hasn't done anything for people to be lauding him over.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 26, 2024 10:40:29 GMT
Or all the preceding managers back to Hughes who couldn't get players to play in the way they wanted them to, especially when there were players from a previous manager. Which is why he thinks continuity of tactics and style will be a good thing. He might be saying that SS didn't agree with this imposition. I do respect your opinion and it is nice to chat with someone who actually explains what they think rather than says that everyone who disagrees with them is an idiot or worse. Taking in the bigger picture, there's anecdotal evidence that last season SS had to change, or at least redefine his tactics, due to the players 'downing tools'. Whether it was such a thing, it happened on SJW's watch and might have been part of his thinking to replace the HC? It's too easy to over-think these things, I know. But if we had all the pieces of SJW's jigsaw we might see his picture and understand why the SS removal should not be the shock it was. And I agree, some on here need to chill a bit. It wasn't a shock, anyone who couldn't see the dysfunction in the relationship were a bit blind imo. As for players being in revolt over a HC's tactics does that even happen unless they know there is someone in authority with a sympathetic ear? SS wasn't playing any different style of football to what he is renowned for so you'd assume that was the style they wanted being as he'd only been in post about three months. The fact that only three months later JC employed an interim TD and allowed him to impose a style of play other than that of the HC he'd employed only three months previous is entirely on and quite typical of JC.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 26, 2024 10:53:12 GMT
What's clear is everything is now on him, reading his latest statement, this comes crashing down, it's all on him! Which is fair enough.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 26, 2024 11:04:16 GMT
It’s a message board that’s what happens on them believe it or not. I don’t start topics, I post in reply to what is posted by others to either agree or counter their opinions. You obviously want people who make points you like/agree with to post freely but those with a dissenting opinion to be limited to 1 comment on page one. You obviously share his hypocritical trait as you want to pass as many comments of your own as you like. I don’t need to answer 3 because I’m not the one making a big deal out of footballers character, some of the best players of all time have been particularly maverick. I want to see whoever is in control of choosing players to focus on producing the best football not collecting a load of good eggs who are easy to manage. So basically you don’t really know, but you have an opinion as it’s a message board. Get it👍. isn’t that what messages boards are about
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 26, 2024 11:05:56 GMT
He's had the nuts to totally revamp things after so many moaning about how stagnant we've become and how we pick the same old style of manager
He's in the firing line now and let's see how it goes. We desperately needed change so here we go
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Post by skip on Sept 26, 2024 11:11:04 GMT
Not every Tory voter who wants lower taxes is wanting it for self centred reasons, there is a swathe of opinion that thinks lower taxes stimulates an economy, encourages investment etc and thus is beneficial to the greater good , you can disagree with that if you like, but just because someone wants lower taxes it doesn’t mean that point of view is always driven by greed! Sometimes it’s driven by a different economic philosophy/school of thought! I think you miss the point totally Serpico. Its not that I disagree with him or whatever. Its that he uses social media to push his political ideology. I just generally hate people using their platform to push politics. He has followers because hes a footballer. Keep it about the football. I cant stand friends of mine that push their politics on their Facebook feed. Thats a sure-fire way to get you unfriended. We live in arguably the most political of times, with social media doing good and bad things to engender debate and discourse. You can't expect people not to espouse political opinion on what is going on in the world? Arguably, actively choosing not to do is accepting the status quo, and given the bin fire of a world we're living in right now, you can't expect everyone to button it.
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Post by moon on Sept 26, 2024 11:12:49 GMT
He's had the nuts to totally revamp things after so many moaning about how stagnant we've become and how we pick the same old style of manager He's in the firing line now and let's see how it goes. We desperately needed change so here we go I'm not convinced we desperately needed change, we had some promising signs at times but a lot of inconsistent results and a few abject performances, for me what we needed was some stability, and time for Schumacher to work with his new squad. There was a few moaning on here as always, but I don't think it reflects the majority of Stoke fans.
Anyway, rightly or wrongly, the deed was was done and we move on (probably paying the new guy plus the previous two simultaneously - but thankfully we as fans don't have to deal with that mess). Hopefully the new coach is the right man for the job.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 26, 2024 12:04:20 GMT
He's had the nuts to totally revamp things after so many moaning about how stagnant we've become and how we pick the same old style of manager He's in the firing line now and let's see how it goes. We desperately needed change so here we go I'm not convinced we desperately needed change, we had some promising signs at times but a lot of inconsistent results and a few abject performances, for me what we needed was some stability, and time for Schumacher to work with his new squad. There was a few moaning on here as always, but I don't think it reflects the majority of Stoke fans.
Anyway, rightly or wrongly, the deed was was done and we move on (probably paying the new guy plus the previous two simultaneously - but thankfully we as fans don't have to deal with that mess). Hopefully the new coach is the right man for the job.
I didn't really mean from SS, liked him, was talking broader. We haven't come close to promotion . MON had us at the right end of the table until the injury apocalypse, I think we could have had a decent season that year and SS was going in the right direction but West Brom and Oxford were horrible.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 26, 2024 12:27:22 GMT
I think you miss the point totally Serpico. Its not that I disagree with him or whatever. Its that he uses social media to push his political ideology. I just generally hate people using their platform to push politics. He has followers because hes a footballer. Keep it about the football. I cant stand friends of mine that push their politics on their Facebook feed. Thats a sure-fire way to get you unfriended. We live in arguably the most political of times, with social media doing good and bad things to engender debate and discourse. You can't expect people not to espouse political opinion on what is going on in the world? Arguably, actively choosing not to do is accepting the status quo, and given the bin fire of a world we're living in right now, you can't expect everyone to button it. A fine example he can't stand his own friends
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Post by moon on Sept 26, 2024 12:42:05 GMT
I'm not convinced we desperately needed change, we had some promising signs at times but a lot of inconsistent results and a few abject performances, for me what we needed was some stability, and time for Schumacher to work with his new squad. There was a few moaning on here as always, but I don't think it reflects the majority of Stoke fans.
Anyway, rightly or wrongly, the deed was was done and we move on (probably paying the new guy plus the previous two simultaneously - but thankfully we as fans don't have to deal with that mess). Hopefully the new coach is the right man for the job.
I didn't really mean from SS, liked him, was talking broader. We haven't come close to promotion . MON had us sat the right end of the table until the injury apocalypse, I think we could have had a decent season that year and SS was going in the right direction but West Brom and Oxford were horrible. Yeah, when you look at it over the course of several seasons, we've been a disaster since relegation apart from a few very short periods. I guess JW decided that SS wasn't capable of changing that based on what he'd experienced, so fair enough, but Narcis really has to work out for JW though, and it has to work out relatively quickly.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 26, 2024 12:45:06 GMT
I didn't really mean from SS, liked him, was talking broader. We haven't come close to promotion . MON had us sat the right end of the table until the injury apocalypse, I think we could have had a decent season that year and SS was going in the right direction but West Brom and Oxford were horrible. Yeah, when you look at it over the course of several seasons, we've been a disaster since relegation apart from a few very short periods. I guess JW decided that SS wasn't capable of changing that based on what he'd experienced, so fair enough, but Narcis really has to work out for JW though, and it has to work out relatively quickly. Yep because we're such a patient lot 😁 After 48 hours with the players and a defeat, some wanted the Spanish Inquisition on poor old Narcis. He really needs to have us seriously up and running by Xmas latest though to be fair and think he might.
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Post by skip on Sept 26, 2024 15:19:27 GMT
We live in arguably the most political of times, with social media doing good and bad things to engender debate and discourse. You can't expect people not to espouse political opinion on what is going on in the world? Arguably, actively choosing not to do is accepting the status quo, and given the bin fire of a world we're living in right now, you can't expect everyone to button it. A fine example he can't stand his own friends Never confuse friends with affiliates.
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Post by BuzzB on Sept 27, 2024 21:46:09 GMT
If rumours are to be believed, and JW has been in the dressing room on a matchday, interfering, then he is bang out of order, any manager (call him what you like) worth his salt would kick off. Imagine TP or Warnock, I could go way back here, letting a DOF in the dresser?? Bang out of line if true.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 28, 2024 2:54:09 GMT
If rumours are to be believed, and JW has been in the dressing room on a matchday, interfering, then he is bang out of order, any manager (call him what you like) worth his salt would kick off. Imagine TP or Warnock, I could go way back here, letting a DOF in the dresser?? Bang out of line if true. Why post comment about “rumours”? Can’t you see you are simply adding fuel to potential division amongst supporters based on nothing more than tittle tattle? He is in position and no one or group of supporters can do anything about that. He will either die on his own sword or alternatively (which I hope for) he will be successful. If he is successful it benefits all.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 28, 2024 6:58:44 GMT
If rumours are to be believed, and JW has been in the dressing room on a matchday, interfering, then he is bang out of order, any manager (call him what you like) worth his salt would kick off. Imagine TP or Warnock, I could go way back here, letting a DOF in the dresser?? Bang out of line if true. Why post comment about “rumours”? Can’t you see you are simply adding fuel to potential division amongst supporters based on nothing more than tittle tattle? He is in position and no one or group of supporters can do anything about that. He will either die on his own sword or alternatively (which I hope for) he will be successful. If he is successful it benefits all. why shouldn’t they post a what they’ve heard it’s a message board , they’ve said it’s a rumour so people can make of it what they want , you just don’t like people having a different opinion to yourself and it’s getting a bit boring now
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