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Post by questionable on Sept 20, 2024 21:59:09 GMT
Im guessing you’d made your mind up about him the day he was appointed You could well be proved right. Jarrod and Schu aside, who else has he sacked? All the back room staff. Plus the likes of Adrian Hurst etc. The turnover of staff has been incredible, if you go back to Ricky Martin’s culling too the turnover is astronomical and more often than not the replacements are worse. Thank you but who’s giving the instruction?? Jobs for the boys and JW playing the good guy by putting £500 behind the bar for Stoke fans in Ireland
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 20, 2024 21:59:16 GMT
Makes zero sense. Who is to blame for this mess? Crikey whoever has recruited those players….an amalgam f coaches presumably and successive sporting directors… 5 of the 11 tonight were his. 2 O'Neil 3 Neil 1 Schumacher
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 20, 2024 22:04:27 GMT
Im guessing you’d made your mind up about him the day he was appointed You could well be proved right. Jarrod and Schu aside, who else has he sacked? Well it's too early to comment on the manager but the head of recruitment is off to a great start isn't he. He sacked Gallagher to make way for Alex Morris, proving to be another worthwhile decision. The head of sport science has gone and been replaced by someone with ... would you believe it, no experience in such a role, but he's local. I hadn't mind my mind up at all, I took an instant dislike to him appearing on social media for no reason and it's got worse from there. But surely you can see the stuff he did towards the nd of last season had a positive impact and helped us stay up?? We were on a downward spiral in February Whether that should have got him the job on a permanent basis is another matter. I actually thought recruitment in summer was good and with a decent manager should be fine in this division.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 20, 2024 22:05:21 GMT
Well it's too early to comment on the manager but the head of recruitment is off to a great start isn't he. He sacked Gallagher to make way for Alex Morris, proving to be another worthwhile decision. The head of sport science has gone and been replaced by someone with ... would you believe it, no experience in such a role, but he's local. I hadn't mind my mind up at all, I took an instant dislike to him appearing on social media for no reason and it's got worse from there. But surely you can see the stuff he did towards the nd of last season had a positive impact and helped us stay up?? We were on a downward spiral in February Whether that should have got him the job on a permanent basis is another matter. I actually thought recruitment in summer was good and with a decent manager should be fine in this division. Said decent manager was removed on Monday for no apparent reason other than having a backbone.
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Post by mrrine on Sept 20, 2024 22:07:31 GMT
Couldn't disagree more re your second point. (Couldn't agree more with your first...) Even at his most free-flowing I don't think SS's Stoke looked that good in the first half. You obviously can't discount the second half in that analysis and I'd have a much kinder view of SS if he'd been let down by individual avoidable stupid errors time and time again, but the truth is he just wasn't that good despite what the stats show - we couldn't finish a game second half this season and we were ripe for regular spankings this and last season. Before Walters came in we were absolutely fucked. Today was 1 game and people need to give their head's a wobble a bit. If we'd won this 10-0 I wouldn't be carried away and I won't be losing 3-1. But let's be honest about it - the positives were self evident in the players ability to do it first half. The Negatives are self evident: Gibson and Wilmot cannot play the ball around with that much false confidence. Game management? Massive early question there -Yep, big time.Subs? Hopefully he gets to know the players quick. We could easily lose the next 5. - Even more Yep, bigger time - some mitigation, he hasn't been here long I guess.
Transfer team? How can he do his gin with this setup anyway???? Gin sounds solid. I think we're 'ok' transfer wise, my biggest concern is LB where I just don't trust Bocat and Junior is still learning (but will be fine) You could argue Phillips > Wilmot/Rose I'd probably agree. and Koumas > Cannon. The big problem there is who do you replace these guys with come Jan/June.Players motivation and attitude? If you aren't motivated after the first game when will you be? We are in serious danger imo of everything just imploding, and the guy with zero experience being the head coach, zero experience in the dof department, and zero experience in the recruitment department.... I do disagree here, look at the start of the game - that was real intensity. It faded massively and hopefully that's the thinking behind Whitehead, to get more miles into the legs to keep that pressure up. I genuinely think if we can replicate that first half across the season youre looking at play offs. I am however, way too cynical for that so I think we'll see a disjointed amount of 1st and 2nd half performances across the season and peter out mid table.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 20, 2024 22:09:23 GMT
But surely you can see the stuff he did towards the nd of last season had a positive impact and helped us stay up?? We were on a downward spiral in February Whether that should have got him the job on a permanent basis is another matter. I actually thought recruitment in summer was good and with a decent manager should be fine in this division. Said decent manager was removed on Monday for no apparent reason other than having a backbone. Like I say, this week is his first wrong call Though it appears theres plenty happy to see the back of Schu
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 20, 2024 22:12:14 GMT
Said decent manager was removed on Monday for no apparent reason other than having a backbone. Like I say, this week is his first wrong call Though it appears theres plenty happy to see the back of Schu His name was sung for a good half hour last week at Oxford. Walters probably didn’t like the fact we weren’t singing his name.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 20, 2024 22:12:45 GMT
Well it's too early to comment on the manager but the head of recruitment is off to a great start isn't he. He sacked Gallagher to make way for Alex Morris, proving to be another worthwhile decision. The head of sport science has gone and been replaced by someone with ... would you believe it, no experience in such a role, but he's local. I hadn't mind my mind up at all, I took an instant dislike to him appearing on social media for no reason and it's got worse from there. But surely you can see the stuff he did towards the nd of last season had a positive impact and helped us stay up?? We were on a downward spiral in February Whether that should have got him the job on a permanent basis is another matter. I actually thought recruitment in summer was good and with a decent manager should be fine in this division. I have no idea what point you're trying to make. Yes he did very well in asking everyone to sing and back the head coach who was young, up and coming and had a bright future in the game. He then took over transfers, assembled this squad including £3m on a guy that was never good enough to play for Celtic and £2m on a centre forward I doubt we'll see much of, £5m we haven't seen a minute of football for so far. The head coach he wanted everyone to sing for is then sacked on a Monday with 2 games in the next 4 days, we failed to beat L2 Fleetwood and got embarrassed tonight by a side that couldn't score in a brothel with a £50 note stuck to their forehead. Just remind me of the positives I've missed please.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 20, 2024 22:25:07 GMT
But surely you can see the stuff he did towards the nd of last season had a positive impact and helped us stay up?? We were on a downward spiral in February Whether that should have got him the job on a permanent basis is another matter. I actually thought recruitment in summer was good and with a decent manager should be fine in this division. I have no idea what point you're trying to make. Yes he did very well in asking everyone to sing and back the head coach who was young, up and coming and had a bright future in the game. He then took over transfers, assembled this squad including £3m on a guy that was never good enough to play for Celtic and £2m on a centre forward I doubt we'll see much of, £5m we haven't seen a minute of football for so far. The head coach he wanted everyone to sing for is then sacked on a Monday with 2 games in the next 4 days, we failed to beat L2 Fleetwood and got embarrassed tonight by a side that couldn't score in a brothel with a £50 note stuck to their forehead. Just remind me of the positives I've missed please. Youve obviously got a short memory if you cant recall where were at at the point Tricky Dicky left (who Schu also didnt get on with) and JW came in Everyone was championing the Lawal signing and weve no idea how he’ll turn out You clearly dont like the guy, and thats your perogative Ive more time for him than you, and im prepared to give this experiment a bit more time than one game. If it fails its on him
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 20, 2024 22:27:18 GMT
I have no idea what point you're trying to make. Yes he did very well in asking everyone to sing and back the head coach who was young, up and coming and had a bright future in the game. He then took over transfers, assembled this squad including £3m on a guy that was never good enough to play for Celtic and £2m on a centre forward I doubt we'll see much of, £5m we haven't seen a minute of football for so far. The head coach he wanted everyone to sing for is then sacked on a Monday with 2 games in the next 4 days, we failed to beat L2 Fleetwood and got embarrassed tonight by a side that couldn't score in a brothel with a £50 note stuck to their forehead. Just remind me of the positives I've missed please. Youve obviously got a short memory if you cant recall where were at at the point Tricky Dicky left (who Schu also didnt get on with) and JW came in Everyone was championing the Lawal signing and weve no idea how he’ll turn out You clearly dont like the guy, and thats your perogative Ive more time for him than you, and im prepared to give this experiment a bit more time than one game. If it fails its on him I acknowledged the job he initially did in my post. Now for the other positives please.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 20, 2024 22:33:12 GMT
Youve obviously got a short memory if you cant recall where were at at the point Tricky Dicky left (who Schu also didnt get on with) and JW came in Everyone was championing the Lawal signing and weve no idea how he’ll turn out You clearly dont like the guy, and thats your perogative Ive more time for him than you, and im prepared to give this experiment a bit more time than one game. If it fails its on him I acknowledged the job he initially did in my post. Now for the other positives please. Johanson, Koumas, Bocat, possibly Moran, Philips, Lawal Getting rid of plenty of deadwood
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 20, 2024 22:58:14 GMT
Walters is a massive problem. He needs fucking off but he has the ear of JC so won't be until he's done untold damage.
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Post by stokiedan17 on Sept 20, 2024 23:02:53 GMT
Walters is a massive problem. He needs fucking off but he has the ear of JC so won't be until he's done untold damage. Why what’s he done ?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 20, 2024 23:10:23 GMT
Walters is a massive problem. He needs fucking off but he has the ear of JC so won't be until he's done untold damage. Why what’s he done ? Should be pretty obvious really. He hasn't a fucking clue. Fucked a coach off who was doing orate and was liked by most fans. Unsettled the team the fans. Put some poor young lad into an absolutely toxic role that many experienced managers have already failed at. Thinks he's some sort of god down at Stoke bit doesn't realise he's about to go overdrawn in his credit with Stoke fans. He's a bluffer. Full of shyte believing his own hype. Fuck him off and get a proper DOF
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Post by stokiedan17 on Sept 20, 2024 23:11:37 GMT
Should be pretty obvious really. He hasn't a fucking clue. Fucked a coach off who was doing orate and was liked by most fans. Unsettled the team the fans. Put some poor young lad into an absolutely toxic role that many experienced managers have already failed at. Thinks he's some sort of god down at Stoke bit doesn't realise he's about to go overdrawn in his credit with Stoke fans. He's a bluffer. Full of shyte believing his own hype. Fuck him off and get a proper DOF Was Schumacher going to get us top 10 this season ?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 20, 2024 23:13:59 GMT
Should be pretty obvious really. He hasn't a fucking clue. Fucked a coach off who was doing orate and was liked by most fans. Unsettled the team the fans. Put some poor young lad into an absolutely toxic role that many experienced managers have already failed at. Thinks he's some sort of god down at Stoke bit doesn't realise he's about to go overdrawn in his credit with Stoke fans. He's a bluffer. Full of shyte believing his own hype. Fuck him off and get a proper DOF Was Schumacher going to get us top 10 this season ? Unlikely chief. But bear in mind the best we've done with experienced managers is 14th since relegation. And that prick is appointing a young coach whose never felt pressure in his life in footballing management terms. Its a shit show..
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Post by stokiedan17 on Sept 20, 2024 23:16:07 GMT
Was Schumacher going to get us top 10 this season ? Unlikely chief. But bear in mind the best we've done with experienced managers is 14th since relegation. And that prick is appointing a young coach whose never felt pressure in his life in footballing management terms. Its a shit show.. So he wasn’t going to get us top 10. I personally thought his football even when we were winning was pretty dire…. So if he’s not going to see us progress in to the top half. And he’s not going to entertain us. What was keeping him in a job other than he’s a likeable bloke ( which he absolutely was).
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 20, 2024 23:18:11 GMT
Unlikely chief. But bear in mind the best we've done with experienced managers is 14th since relegation. And that prick is appointing a young coach whose never felt pressure in his life in footballing management terms. Its a shit show.. So he wasn’t going to get us top 10. I personally thought his football even when we were winning was pretty dire…. So if he’s not going to see us progress in to the top half. And he’s not going to entertain us. What was keeping him in a job other than he’s a likeable bloke ( which he absolutely was). Nobody would get top 10 with this squad, it’s too young and not physical enough. Schumacher would’ve had us comfortably safe though. That in itself would’ve been an achievement. Now I’m really not sure we’ll stay up.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 20, 2024 23:21:29 GMT
Unlikely chief. But bear in mind the best we've done with experienced managers is 14th since relegation. And that prick is appointing a young coach whose never felt pressure in his life in footballing management terms. Its a shit show.. So he wasn’t going to get us top 10. I personally thought his football even when we were winning was pretty dire…. So if he’s not going to see us progress in to the top half. And he’s not going to entertain us. What was keeping him in a job other than he’s a likeable bloke ( which he absolutely was). Okay. Assuming you are correct. The best thing to do is appoint some young Spanish lad into what I reckon is now the most toxic role in championship football to get us to that top 10? Walters arrogance is that he actually sees himself as the manager and DOF and the HC is just his little bitch. I'm telling you chief Walters is all ego. On a one man mission to be Stokes saviour to try and relive his days of fans singing super Johnny fucking Walters. He's a phony pal..
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Post by ethers26 on Sept 20, 2024 23:22:58 GMT
Unlikely chief. But bear in mind the best we've done with experienced managers is 14th since relegation. And that prick is appointing a young coach whose never felt pressure in his life in footballing management terms. Its a shit show.. So he wasn’t going to get us top 10. I personally thought his football even when we were winning was pretty dire…. So if he’s not going to see us progress in to the top half. And he’s not going to entertain us. What was keeping him in a job other than he’s a likeable bloke ( which he absolutely was). His PPG would have us around 10th the past 3 seasons funnily enough And that's his PPG since taking over an absolutely shit side bereft of any confidence Who knows what it could've been!
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Post by stokiedan17 on Sept 20, 2024 23:24:06 GMT
So he wasn’t going to get us top 10. I personally thought his football even when we were winning was pretty dire…. So if he’s not going to see us progress in to the top half. And he’s not going to entertain us. What was keeping him in a job other than he’s a likeable bloke ( which he absolutely was). Nobody would get top 10 with this squad, it’s too young and not physical enough. Schumacher would’ve had us comfortably safe though. That in itself would’ve been an achievement. Now I’m really not sure we’ll stay up. Meh. I’m not so sure. I think we looked just as vulnerable as we did in that patch where he couldn’t buy a win and the players had to ask to revert from him way of playing. In the end it’s a case of he replicated what all the poor managers before him did. Which was finish the season strongly when everyone else had stopped giving a shit. Which bought him a preseason and the first 5 games where we beat Coventry in the first half. Got smashed by West Brom, watford and oxford. And just about scrapes by Plymouth which should have been a nil nil draw if we are honest. I think we’ll see some entertaining stuff under Pèlach. I also think we’ll have to score more than we concede. Which of million had put away all his chances tonight we would have still drawn and got a point even if they still completed their comeback
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 20, 2024 23:26:53 GMT
Nobody would get top 10 with this squad, it’s too young and not physical enough. Schumacher would’ve had us comfortably safe though. That in itself would’ve been an achievement. Now I’m really not sure we’ll stay up. Meh. I’m not so sure. I think we looked just as vulnerable as we did in that patch where he couldn’t buy a win and the players had to ask to revert from him way of playing. In the end it’s a case of he replicated what all the poor managers before him did. Which was finish the season strongly when everyone else had stopped giving a shit. Which bought him a preseason and the first 5 games where we beat Coventry in the first half. Got smashed by West Brom, watford and oxford. And just about scrapes by Plymouth which should have been a nil nil draw if we are honest. I think we’ll see some entertaining stuff under Pèlach. I also think we’ll have to score more than we concede. Which of million had put away all his chances tonight we would have still drawn and got a point even if they still completed their comeback Or we’ll keep getting beat 3s and 4s for the next few month cos this side can’t pass wind and is strewn with individual errors. If Gibson and Wilmot continue at the back we are fucked.
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Post by ethers26 on Sept 20, 2024 23:30:08 GMT
Nobody would get top 10 with this squad, it’s too young and not physical enough. Schumacher would’ve had us comfortably safe though. That in itself would’ve been an achievement. Now I’m really not sure we’ll stay up. Meh. I’m not so sure. I think we looked just as vulnerable as we did in that patch where he couldn’t buy a win and the players had to ask to revert from him way of playing. In the end it’s a case of he replicated what all the poor managers before him did. Which was finish the season strongly when everyone else had stopped giving a shit. Which bought him a preseason and the first 5 games where we beat Coventry in the first half. Got smashed by West Brom, watford and oxford. And just about scrapes by Plymouth which should have been a nil nil draw if we are honest. I think we’ll see some entertaining stuff under Pèlach. I also think we’ll have to score more than we concede. Which of million had put away all his chances tonight we would have still drawn and got a point even if they still completed their comeback If my grandma had wheels she would've been a bike We lost 3-1 Trying to play this 'entertaining stuff' of Pelach's
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 20, 2024 23:31:12 GMT
Can we please remove the S from the Subject The verdict o far? Sounds like a nice Irish pub.
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Post by Discovery Stoke on Sept 20, 2024 23:34:28 GMT
Fuck off Jon
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Post by onionman on Sept 20, 2024 23:43:23 GMT
Can we please remove the S from the Subject The verdict o far? Sounds like a nice Irish pub. If it stands still for long enough, Walters will try to sign it.
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Post by theoptimist on Sept 20, 2024 23:45:36 GMT
SJWs gone from hero to zero. But the real architect for all this is JC - yet anther disasterous choice. An absolute moron.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 20, 2024 23:54:40 GMT
Personally wasn't too bothered with the SS sacking, but it looks like he's pissed off 3/4 of the fanbase with the decision and is now fighting a massive uphill battle to save himself. Whether the perception is fair or not, he possibly has made a monumental error here when he could let himself settle in and flex his muscles further down the line.
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Post by senojbor on Sept 20, 2024 23:58:19 GMT
Personally wasn't too bothered with the SS sacking, I very much was
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 21, 2024 0:07:52 GMT
Personally wasn't too bothered with the SS sacking, I very much was Wasn't particularly shouting from the rooftops to sack him but, in isolation, I could see why his job wasn't completely safe. However, on reflection, the manner of it and who executed the orders after 5 minutes of being here, just feels very iffy indeed. The upheaval at this stage in the season is a massive risk with a complete novice.as manager, who will need weeks to implement things. If this risk doesn't pay off, we are well and truly in the brown stuff. FWIW, had Schumacher lost tonight, I reckon there'd be plenty calling for him to go. It was always very delicate in that regard, and this guy will have it doubly so.
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