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Post by GrahamHyde on Sept 20, 2024 21:16:25 GMT
Completely destroyed us, shameful.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 20, 2024 21:16:51 GMT
He's been in post since February. It isn't one game and he's fast approaching 9 months he gave the former head coach with no impact. Clocks ticking. Your contradicting yourself there. Were the previous 9 months down to him or Schumacher? IMo he played a big part in helping us stay up last year. However, hes made a huge call this week and will be held accountable for it if it goes tits up. Early signs not encouraging Him being on the club's social media telling everyone to sing and dance to keep us up is exactly where this experiment should have ended. I've said it a million times, but imagine that squad of children marshelled by his useless mate he gave a 3 year deal getting in a mess at the bottom of the league. There is absolutely no fucking hope.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 20, 2024 21:23:33 GMT
Your contradicting yourself there. Were the previous 9 months down to him or Schumacher? IMo he played a big part in helping us stay up last year. However, hes made a huge call this week and will be held accountable for it if it goes tits up. Early signs not encouraging Him being on the club's social media telling everyone to sing and dance to keep us up is exactly where this experiment should have ended. I've said it a million times, but imagine that squad of children marshelled by his useless mate he gave a 3 year deal getting in a mess at the bottom of the league. There is absolutely no fucking hope. Schu massively improved when he came in last season. Something has clearly gone on in the background since that has made the relationship untenable. Prior to this week I thought hed done a good job. Made a massive call this week that I personally dont agree with. He will rightly suffer the consequences if it doesnt work out
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Post by pavel on Sept 20, 2024 21:26:43 GMT
What can you say about a man who drove through a totally unnecessary change at a totally stupid time and employed a total beginner in one of the the toughest leagues who’s arrogance as a rookie DOF seems to have no bounds. I could say a lot but it’s not printable
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 20, 2024 21:27:23 GMT
He won’t last the season.
Mark my words this is only gonna get worse.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 20, 2024 21:29:15 GMT
Him being on the club's social media telling everyone to sing and dance to keep us up is exactly where this experiment should have ended. I've said it a million times, but imagine that squad of children marshelled by his useless mate he gave a 3 year deal getting in a mess at the bottom of the league. There is absolutely no fucking hope. Schu massively improved when he came in last season. Something has clearly gone on in the background since that has made the relationship untenable. Prior to this week I thought hed done a good job. Made a massive call this week that I personally dont agree with. He will rightly suffer the consequences if it doesnt work out The thing that's gone on is an egotistical maniac who has close to as much Sporting Director experience as me has decided to gone on a rampage. He's sacked everyone and anyone that was in position and replaced them with fuck knows what. The bloke is absolutely drowning.
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Post by questionable on Sept 20, 2024 21:29:47 GMT
Listen, I know all about Jon Walters. I know all about him. Bluffer. Again, talks a good game. Then does the circuit, goes on the TV. How harsh he was treated by me, he's crying on the TV, family situation, he's the only one whose... do me a favour."
Seems Roy Keane knows him well
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Post by Pottersfan on Sept 20, 2024 21:29:53 GMT
He won’t last the season. Mark my words this is only gonna get worse. Pathetic
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Post by premieraj on Sept 20, 2024 21:32:09 GMT
I’d take all the shit about Walters managers if someone could convince me you can do anything with that squad other than try to avoid relegation.
They are just not good enough!
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Post by mrrine on Sept 20, 2024 21:33:35 GMT
That was heartbreaking. Not one positive for the new manager over and against Schuey. Players without heart, they don't deserve the shirt. A week ago some optism, now.... Couldn't disagree more re your second point. (Couldn't agree more with your first...) Even at his most free-flowing I don't think SS's Stoke looked that good in the first half. You obviously can't discount the second half in that analysis and I'd have a much kinder view of SS if he'd been let down by individual avoidable stupid errors time and time again, but the truth is he just wasn't that good despite what the stats show - we couldn't finish a game second half this season and we were ripe for regular spankings this and last season. Before Walters came in we were absolutely fucked. Today was 1 game and people need to give their head's a wobble a bit. If we'd won this 10-0 I wouldn't be carried away and I won't be losing 3-1. But let's be honest about it - the positives were self evident in the players ability to do it first half. The Negatives are self evident: Gibson and Wilmot cannot play the ball around with that much false confidence.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 20, 2024 21:36:01 GMT
I’d take all the shit about Walters managers if someone could convince me you can do anything with that squad other than try to avoid relegation. They are just not good enough! He signed ten of them. Next
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Post by premieraj on Sept 20, 2024 21:38:21 GMT
I’d take all the shit about Walters managers if someone could convince me you can do anything with that squad other than try to avoid relegation. They are just not good enough! He signed ten of them. Next Then that’s where the blame is not the players they are not good enough! That squad is simply not good enough the coach can only work with what they’ve got and the recruiting has to be the issue!
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 20, 2024 21:39:48 GMT
He signed ten of them. Next Then that’s where the blame is not the players they are not good enough! That squad is simply not good enough the coach can only work with what they’ve got and the recruiting has to be the issue! You're commenting on a Jon Walters thread. What are you going on about?
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 20, 2024 21:40:05 GMT
He won’t last the season. Mark my words this is only gonna get worse. Pathetic I’d call it being real mate. He’s assigned a squad full of Ireland u21s (what have they ever won), a shit defence and a midfield that doesn’t work. Throw a rookie head coach in to the mix and you’ve got a recipe for disaster. What we saw tonight, expect plenty more of that to come. Walters will not last the season, I’ll happily wager anyone.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 20, 2024 21:41:37 GMT
I’d call it being real mate. He’s assigned a squad full of Ireland u21s (what have they ever won), a shit defence and a midfield that doesn’t work. Throw a rookie head coach in to the mix and you’ve got a recipe for disaster. What we saw tonight, expect plenty more of that to come. Walters will not last the season, I’ll happily wager anyone. We can hope he doesn't. And hope we stay up to tell the tale.
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Post by premieraj on Sept 20, 2024 21:42:57 GMT
I’m saying simply the players are not good enough to be only in a fight against relegation. Not their fault they are what they are … so you have to question it’s not the coaches it’s down to recruitment. If that’s the best we can get we can’t expect any more because they are just not good enough. Hope that makes sense!
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 20, 2024 21:43:07 GMT
I mean it’s not hyperbole to say Walters may not be here by season end. The only manager/recruitment head to buck the trend and stay more than 12-14 months has been MON who my respect for working in this fucking madhouse for so long increases almost daily.
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Post by spoton on Sept 20, 2024 21:44:51 GMT
I said when he was appointed that didn't understand why so many fans thought it was a good idea,he was only appointed to take the flak of the chairman, really stupid appointment
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 20, 2024 21:47:57 GMT
Schu massively improved when he came in last season. Something has clearly gone on in the background since that has made the relationship untenable. Prior to this week I thought hed done a good job. Made a massive call this week that I personally dont agree with. He will rightly suffer the consequences if it doesnt work out The thing that's gone on is an egotistical maniac who has close to as much Sporting Director experience as me has decided to gone on a rampage. He's sacked everyone and anyone that was in position and replaced them with fuck knows what. The bloke is absolutely drowning. Im guessing you’d made your mind up about him the day he was appointed You could well be proved right. Jarrod and Schu aside, who else has he sacked?
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Post by senojbor on Sept 20, 2024 21:48:44 GMT
He won’t last the season. Mark my words this is only gonna get worse. Bob on
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Post by emretezzy on Sept 20, 2024 21:49:21 GMT
All the game beforehand on sky was Walters being interviewed.
Again.
Lads I was with who have good knowledge, who is the DOF at Liverpool, Man UTD, Man City, Arsenal.
Fucking silence.
Hes on a one man show. Just make yourself manager and be done with.
Hes ruining this club
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 20, 2024 21:49:34 GMT
I’m saying simply the players are not good enough to be only in a fight against relegation. Not their fault they are what they are … so you have to question it’s not the coaches it’s down to recruitment. If that’s the best we can get we can’t expect any more because they are just not good enough. Hope that makes sense! Makes zero sense. Who is to blame for this mess?
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Post by premieraj on Sept 20, 2024 21:53:03 GMT
I’m saying simply the players are not good enough to be only in a fight against relegation. Not their fault they are what they are … so you have to question it’s not the coaches it’s down to recruitment. If that’s the best we can get we can’t expect any more because they are just not good enough. Hope that makes sense! Makes zero sense. Who is to blame for this mess? Crikey whoever has recruited those players….an amalgam f coaches presumably and successive sporting directors…
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 20, 2024 21:53:20 GMT
The thing that's gone on is an egotistical maniac who has close to as much Sporting Director experience as me has decided to gone on a rampage. He's sacked everyone and anyone that was in position and replaced them with fuck knows what. The bloke is absolutely drowning. Im guessing you’d made your mind up about him the day he was appointed You could well be proved right. Jarrod and Schu aside, who else has he sacked? All the back room staff. Plus the likes of Adrian Hurst etc. The turnover of staff has been incredible, if you go back to Ricky Martin’s culling too the turnover is astronomical and more often than not the replacements are worse.
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Post by lordb on Sept 20, 2024 21:54:16 GMT
Im guessing you’d made your mind up about him the day he was appointed You could well be proved right. Jarrod and Schu aside, who else has he sacked? All the back room staff. Plus the likes of Adrian Hurst etc. The turnover of staff has been incredible, if you go back to Ricky Martin’s culling too the turnover is astronomical and more often than not the replacements are worse. I think Adrian Hurst was a Simon King decision
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Post by questionable on Sept 20, 2024 21:55:19 GMT
Can we please remove the S from the Subject
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 20, 2024 21:55:34 GMT
The thing that's gone on is an egotistical maniac who has close to as much Sporting Director experience as me has decided to gone on a rampage. He's sacked everyone and anyone that was in position and replaced them with fuck knows what. The bloke is absolutely drowning. Im guessing you’d made your mind up about him the day he was appointed You could well be proved right. Jarrod and Schu aside, who else has he sacked? Well it's too early to comment on the manager but the head of recruitment is off to a great start isn't he. He sacked Gallagher to make way for Alex Morris, proving to be another worthwhile decision. The head of sport science has gone and been replaced by someone with ... would you believe it, no experience in such a role, but he's local. I hadn't mind my mind up at all, I took an instant dislike to him appearing on social media for no reason and it's got worse from there.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 20, 2024 21:57:31 GMT
All the back room staff. Plus the likes of Adrian Hurst etc. The turnover of staff has been incredible, if you go back to Ricky Martin’s culling too the turnover is astronomical and more often than not the replacements are worse. I think Adrian Hurst was a Simon King decision Possibly so, I just know that a lot have left / leaving because it’s an absolute shit show down there and has been for a while.
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 20, 2024 21:57:40 GMT
That was heartbreaking. Not one positive for the new manager over and against Schuey. Players without heart, they don't deserve the shirt. A week ago some optism, now.... Couldn't disagree more re your second point. (Couldn't agree more with your first...) Even at his most free-flowing I don't think SS's Stoke looked that good in the first half. You obviously can't discount the second half in that analysis and I'd have a much kinder view of SS if he'd been let down by individual avoidable stupid errors time and time again, but the truth is he just wasn't that good despite what the stats show - we couldn't finish a game second half this season and we were ripe for regular spankings this and last season. Before Walters came in we were absolutely fucked. Today was 1 game and people need to give their head's a wobble a bit. If we'd won this 10-0 I wouldn't be carried away and I won't be losing 3-1. But let's be honest about it - the positives were self evident in the players ability to do it first half. The Negatives are self evident: Gibson and Wilmot cannot play the ball around with that much false confidence. Game management? Massive early question there Subs? Hopefully he gets to know the players quick. We could easily lose the next 5. Transfer team? How can he do his gin with this setup anyway???? Players motivation and attitude? If you aren't motivated after the first game when will you be? We are in serious danger imo of everything just imploding, and the guy with zero experience being the head coach, zero experience in the dof department, and zero experience in the recruitment department....
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 20, 2024 21:58:17 GMT
Im guessing you’d made your mind up about him the day he was appointed You could well be proved right. Jarrod and Schu aside, who else has he sacked? All the back room staff. Plus the likes of Adrian Hurst etc. The turnover of staff has been incredible, if you go back to Ricky Martin’s culling too the turnover is astronomical and more often than not the replacements are worse. Sorry, was inluding the backroom staff with Schu as one. But yeah, 4 coaches aswell is quite a cull to be fair. Adrian Hurst etc come under Simon Kings remit I believe But yeah, as a club overall, a big turnover. JC clearly has no issue with it
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