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Post by mcw on Sept 16, 2024 11:48:04 GMT
Some will say he’s inexperienced. Some will say he’s learning on the job . Some will say he’s a control freak . Some will say he’s the recruitment guru now ( Gibson ) Some will say he’s doing fine . For me I still can’t get my head around Dublins departure. Burger Junho Manhoef Bocat . Ok s couple of perhaps duds (jojic but young and jury still out ) . He may have been a maverick . He may have been outspoken internally . Who knows ? But I foresee no diamonds being unearthed by the Hull chap . Verdict everyone ? On a massive tangent this just made me think of: "Some people call me the space cowboy yeah, Some people call me the gangster of love, Some people call me Maurice, cause I speak of the pompatus of love" Not v helpful I know
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Post by jokker on Sept 16, 2024 11:51:48 GMT
If this is a knee jerk reaction to terrible game at Oxford it's appalling If they have had doubts for some time they should have sacked him in May the only way it would make any sense at this time would b if someone really good had suddenly become available atm it just looks like a knee jerk reaction Probably not to the Oxford result itself, but maybe to his post-match comments, where he absolved himself of any blame and threw the players under the bus?
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Post by wuzza on Sept 16, 2024 11:52:10 GMT
He has been incredibly brave with this move and we should respect that. The easiest thing in the world would have been to let things drift on.
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Sept 16, 2024 11:53:47 GMT
His future career lives and dies on how this next season or two develops so I suppose I can understand him wanting his own choice for the most important role in the squad. Most of the new signing interviews had quotes from Walters so it's obvious the squad building was done by him this summer anyway. Let's see how it goes!
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 16, 2024 11:53:52 GMT
He's either nuts or very smart, I hope he's the latter. He's a Stokie and despite being in shock at the sacking of Schumacher we should back him as we know he would only do what he thinks is best for Stoke
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Post by tuum on Sept 16, 2024 11:54:25 GMT
If this is a knee jerk reaction to terrible game at Oxford it's appalling If they have had doubts for some time they should have sacked him in May the only way it would make any sense at this time would b if someone really good had suddenly become available atm it just looks like a knee jerk reaction It is entirely plausible that it is based on all our league performances this season particularly Watford and Oxford and to an extent West Brom plus second halves v Coventry and Plymouth. I don't agree with the sacking so early but I can see why it has been done. I am not going to slag the club of for acting so decisively. They clearly felt it was not progressing and so pulled the plug early. The ball is well and truly in Super Jon's court now. Let's see what he can do.
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Post by tuum on Sept 16, 2024 12:07:21 GMT
After ongoing discussions with John Coates, we feel the time is right for a change in direction to bring success to the club. To me that statement sums up offside Walters, snide talking behind Shueys back, hate that sort of thing whether he is right or not. It's the easiest thing in the world to criticise others efforts rather than take on the job yourself. To me it's put up or shut up How is that snide talking? He is in effect the CEO and he is having a chat with the Chairman. He can't just sack the Head Coach without running it by the Chairman. Who knows what conversations he has had privately with SS about performance levels. Maybe lots, maybe none. It doesn't really matter, SJW clearly has doubts that SS can implement the changes he wants to see and he has done something about it. SJW is the CEO not the 1st team manager. He doesn't have to walk the walk so to speak. It is not his job to pick the team, choose the tactics and motivate the players. It is his job to hold the Head Coach accountable for performance. He seems to be doing that albeit a bit sooner than many of us expected.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 16, 2024 12:08:22 GMT
I said at the time that it was a stupid decision to give him such a key job and nothing has changed my mind.
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Post by skip on Sept 16, 2024 12:14:22 GMT
I said at the time that it was a stupid decision to give him such a key job and nothing has changed my mind. None of us have ever worked with John Walters, none of know what Schumacher was like to work with either come to that, so either you accept this has happened, or you don't. I'll say one thing though, Walters clearly has a pair of large oven baked vinegary conkers to do this. We'll see soon enough.
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Post by pavel on Sept 16, 2024 12:16:25 GMT
He’s far to visible for my liking, always in the limelight, I would have expected the Chairman to announce the sacking of Schumacher not the DOF.
Frankly he seems to have too much power, as clueless John appears to have abdicated all responsibility to him. He seems to have carte Blanche in all aspects of the club.
First Dublin and now Schumacher, it worries me coming from a DOF without much experience.
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Post by tuum on Sept 16, 2024 12:17:28 GMT
Lost so badly 2-1 having hit to woodwork twice to a team currently top of the league. Again. Stop talking about hitting the woodwork. WBA had better chances than us. If you want to count every decent half chance then we could have lost 3-6. The performance v WBA was not great... it was better than Watford and Oxford though.
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Post by emretezzy on Sept 16, 2024 12:23:42 GMT
I said at the time that it was a stupid decision to give him such a key job and nothing has changed my mind. If anything he's proved you right significantly Gary. Club ripped to shreds. We are a couple of results away from fans revolt here.
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Post by mrrine on Sept 16, 2024 12:28:29 GMT
Done his job very well in my opinion.
For a team that used to be no-nonsense - nonsense has permeated every corridor of the club since Lambert was appointed.
This action is clearly a damning verdict on the ability of SS to do what he was supposed to do - win games and manage the players. What the sacking shows pretty clearly is the board back JW over the head coach role.
It does however, leave us looking for another new manager and the real test for JW is how does he manage A. the right recruitment and B. how does he manage that head coach role going forward.
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Post by stokesupporter on Sept 16, 2024 12:28:40 GMT
If this goes tits up SJW might be the next in line to go. Brave move this, hopefully it's a smart move too.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 16, 2024 12:34:07 GMT
It’s completely gone to his head.
As Hackett has pointed out on another thread, if this is a disaster then he’s a dead man which wouldn’t be unwelcome news at all.
Only at Stoke would the cheerleader get the keys to the city.
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Post by werrington on Sept 16, 2024 12:41:32 GMT
It’s completely gone to his head. As Hackett has pointed out on another thread, if this is a disaster then he’s a dead man which wouldn’t be unwelcome news at all. Only at Stoke would the cheerleader get the keys to the city. We don’t know what’s gone on and for all we know he could of done anything behind the scenes but one things for certain, something definitely has happened It’s best to keep the powder dry
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Post by wuzza on Sept 16, 2024 12:44:43 GMT
It’s completely gone to his head. As Hackett has pointed out on another thread, if this is a disaster then he’s a dead man which wouldn’t be unwelcome news at all. Only at Stoke would the cheerleader get the keys to the city. I think you contradict yourself. A mere 'cheerleader' surely wouldnt be brave enough to make a decision such as this. As you rightly say hes put his reputation on the line - he didnt need to.
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Post by biglad180 on Sept 16, 2024 12:48:53 GMT
wonder if Walters as got in touch with Roy Keane over the managers job,
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Post by pavel on Sept 16, 2024 12:51:23 GMT
It’s completely gone to his head. As Hackett has pointed out on another thread, if this is a disaster then he’s a dead man which wouldn’t be unwelcome news at all. Only at Stoke would the cheerleader get the keys to the city. We don’t know what’s gone on and for all we know he could of done anything behind the scenes but one things for certain, something definitely has happened It’s best to keep the powder dry I think the writing was on the wall for Schumacher as soon as Walters walked in the door, I've no evidence to prove it, but they are both strong characters in the sense of knowing their own mind and there would be only one loser. Somehow the relationship didn't feel right from the start to me.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 16, 2024 13:05:53 GMT
Maybe he's using what he learned from Pulis and just sacks anyone who doesn't agree with him rather than actually manage the situation.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 16, 2024 13:10:21 GMT
I got this message on August 27th but because it was in the midst of the transfer window, didn't pay too much attention to it, but...
"Been told that SS and JW just don't get on at all, that he doesn't rate SS one bit or his coaches.
I was also told last season that SS had packed up his office belongings into a box fully expecting the sack after the game at Cardiff"
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 16, 2024 13:12:25 GMT
Based on your reply what’s going to be your reaction? Comment wildly in haste on something you know nothing (the decision) about? Well it's clearly not very well planned is it - unless you think it's a good plan to give a manager the whole summer, watch him pick up a couple of wins from the first 5 games, then sack him. Is it really necessary to sit here in silence while the dust settles over every single decision that gets made by this football club? “Clearly not well planned”. I’m not suggesting the reason behind the decision is this, but what if there was a serious “no going back” confrontation after the Oxford game? Some form of gross misconduct problem. You don’t plan, but have processes to deal with such in “quick time”. Will the full details/reasons for action been taken come out from the Club or SS, only time will tell but I doubt it. My comments were to suggest that some people are posting a frenzy of unqualified comment, some of which is personal which isn’t helpful for anyone. I’ve stated that I’m as surprised as anyone, only time will tell if the Club moves forward from this point in time, that’s the most important issue for all supporters isn’t it?
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 16, 2024 13:15:25 GMT
Well it's clearly not very well planned is it - unless you think it's a good plan to give a manager the whole summer, watch him pick up a couple of wins from the first 5 games, then sack him. Is it really necessary to sit here in silence while the dust settles over every single decision that gets made by this football club? “Clearly not well planned”. I’m not suggesting the reason behind the decision is this, but what if there was a serious “no going back” confrontation after the Oxford game? Some form of gross misconduct problem. You don’t plan, but have processes to deal with such in “quick time”. Will the full details/reasons for action been taken come out from the Club or SS, only time will tell but I doubt it. My comments were to suggest that some people are posting a frenzy of unqualified comment, some of which is personal which isn’t helpful for anyone. I’ve stated that I’m as surprised as anyone, only time will tell if the Club moves forward from this point in time, that’s the most important issue for all supporters isn’t it? A message board where people post opinions. Would you believe it.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 16, 2024 13:17:32 GMT
It’s completely gone to his head. As Hackett has pointed out on another thread, if this is a disaster then he’s a dead man which wouldn’t be unwelcome news at all. Only at Stoke would the cheerleader get the keys to the city. So basically you want him to fail……….🙄🙄
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Post by crowey on Sept 16, 2024 13:21:11 GMT
It’s completely gone to his head. As Hackett has pointed out on another thread, if this is a disaster then he’s a dead man which wouldn’t be unwelcome news at all. Only at Stoke would the cheerleader get the keys to the city. So basically you want him to fail……….🙄🙄 …. Waddo & Sir Stan. Now he was a man who knew how to manage people. Put his arm around Huddy “like a father figure”… etc
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Post by gaznandi on Sept 16, 2024 13:47:33 GMT
Ironic that he came here like some mystic guru to unite the club,team and fan base and in 1 fell swoop has splintered the fucking whole thing. 👍
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 16, 2024 13:57:33 GMT
Ironic that he came here like some mystic guru to unite the club,team and fan base and in 1 fell swoop has splintered the fucking whole thing. 👍 I thought he came to here to improve the standards. If so, why is this seen as such a bad move?
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 16, 2024 13:59:39 GMT
Too many hysterical conspiracy theories on this thread..... no surprises there!
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 16, 2024 14:06:14 GMT
Results are average at best - but this stinks of Walters thinking that HE can do better - based upon what exactly? A few seasons as a player in the Premier League and for Rep of Ireland.
Fair play to him to making these changes, because its clearly all on him at this time.
I wont hold my breath that the football will get any better, just because SJW is choosing the next manager.
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Post by gaznandi on Sept 16, 2024 14:13:50 GMT
Ironic that he came here like some mystic guru to unite the club,team and fan base and in 1 fell swoop has splintered the fucking whole thing. 👍 I thought he came to here to improve the standards. If so, why is this seen as such a bad move? John Coates, and I quote.... "He has impressed everybody since taking charge on an interim basis, playing a huge part in galvanising the club and our fans" Walters himself said in his opening spiel about everyone having every else's backs. He forgot to mention watching for the knives obviously.
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