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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Aug 2, 2024 11:17:54 GMT
Rowing seems to have license to just print more and more medals. I mean I'll take the gold but 'womens lightweight skulls doubles'! I mean how many pairs are there in the world practicing that discipline!? Dude, if I'm not mistaken, Break Dancing is an Olympic event. |
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Post by noustie on Aug 2, 2024 11:35:47 GMT
Failed sex tests mate so the world governing body banned them and they didn't challenge it at court of arbitration. Appears more likely intersex but have XY chromosones, gone through male puberty and has produced increased testosterone accordingly. Females typically produce 1/10 - 1/20th the amount so it's a massive difference especially when someone is punching you in the face. Even when East Germany were doping their athletes with testosterone it wasn't at that sort of levels. The record is massaged by losing 6 of their opening 9 fights so they've only lost 3 in 41. It's irrelevant really as they've gotten to where they are via competitive advantage and the question is whether they would be there without it not that the 38 women just need be as good as the 3 who triumphed. The main issue for me though is, and why trying to normalise it in the media is fucking insidious, is what happens in LA? The IBA did the sex tests but they're not involved in the Olympics as have been stripped of their status with the media keen to discredit them. The IOC, who run the boxing at the games, obviously didn't need sex tests but instead went with the far more stringent approach of checking what it said in their passport! That opens an obvious loophole to exploit for intersex but imagine what happens next games potentially with self ID. If you’re basing the argument based on performance enhancing biological factors, then someone tall shouldn't be allowed to compete in basketball, hormones drive all growth. So even if she had higher than average testosterone, if we start making judgements based on that, you would have to disqualify every single athlete for any physical advantage based on their genetics. Same as Michael Phelps, whose body produces less lactic acid than others. Should he have been banned from competing because of it? Obviously not mate come on - it's XY v XY and Phelps has benefited from an advantage in his lactic acids as others in the field will have benefited from being 6 foot 5 rather than 6 foot 3 but it's all within the same biological sex. It'll no doubt give him a benefit but those would be the breaks or we'd all be international superstars. Every prime sports man or woman will benefit from some quirk be it height, speed, intelligence or Garincha's bendy legs. The difference here is it's XY v XX where the testosterone can be 10-20 times higher - we're not speaking nominal quirks in individuals but a completely different sex. If they fail a sex test then there needs to either be an open category or they can compete v males (they won't though because they won't win) - the option can't be 'well they say they're a woman so the other women will just need suck it up'. Caster Semeny literally has bollocks and has fathered kids - that isn't a slight deviation in genetics across the field but cheating and should have been running against biological men. However, in this scenario we're talking about biological women being punched in the face rather than just losing a race. If we're normalizing XY just being a quirk in genetics like Phelps lactic acids and women just need deal with it accordingly then women's sport is absolutely pointless never mind dangerous. |
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Post by noustie on Aug 2, 2024 11:38:28 GMT
Singling out this one woman is just the tip of an iceberg. It must exist in every sport and we're now reaching a step nearer when all sportswomen are only allowed to compete in any sport provided they come within the range of testosterone levels of 'normal women'. It will be a nightmare to police this. OS. Genuinely it wouldn't be - all it would take is one sex test as soon as an athlete enters serious competition as the chromosomes won't change. Could probably do it as easy as any of the anti-doping to be honest. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 2, 2024 12:02:04 GMT
Rowing seems to have license to just print more and more medals. I mean I'll take the gold but 'womens lightweight skulls doubles'! I mean how many pairs are there in the world practicing that discipline!? Dude, if I'm not mistaken, Break Dancing is an Olympic event. I'd bet there are a lot more break dancers in the world than rowers. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 2, 2024 12:06:27 GMT
That Italian lady deserves huge respect for even getting in the ring. Was the Algerian person a man? I wonder where she got her conversion therapy given that it’s illegal in Algeria. Would be surprising if Algeria had her move forwards considering even being gay is a prisonable offense. Her boxing record isn’t that impressive either for someone who is said to have such an important advantage. If she is/was a man, I don’t believe that they should be boxing women. However, it seems sketchy to me. Algeria isn’t the first country that springs to mind when I think of “woke agendas trying to put people on a pedestal”. 9 women have beaten the Algerian boxer in the past few years including an Irish woman. I think its likely both these boxers are in a similar genetic predicament to Caster Semenya. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Aug 2, 2024 12:17:34 GMT
Is Johnny Vegas commentating on the trampolining
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 2, 2024 12:20:01 GMT
Was the Algerian person a man? I wonder where she got her conversion therapy given that it’s illegal in Algeria. Would be surprising if Algeria had her move forwards considering even being gay is a prisonable offense. Her boxing record isn’t that impressive either for someone who is said to have such an important advantage. If she is/was a man, I don’t believe that they should be boxing women. However, it seems sketchy to me. Algeria isn’t the first country that springs to mind when I think of “woke agendas trying to put people on a pedestal”. 9 women have beaten the Algerian boxer in the past few years including an Irish woman. I think both these boxers are in a similar predicament to Caster Semenya. Irish women often beat man in fights on a Friday night so don't use that as a benchmark Bottom line is, you are what you born for me but all this pandering to people will soon enough lead to a 3rd so called called gender in sport After that we have people who don't identify as either categories followed by the 110m hurdles for those who identify as a Tree Loris The more they let this nonsense creep in, the worse it will get in sport |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2024 12:21:33 GMT
Was the Algerian person a man? I wonder where she got her conversion therapy given that it’s illegal in Algeria. Would be surprising if Algeria had her move forwards considering even being gay is a prisonable offense. Her boxing record isn’t that impressive either for someone who is said to have such an important advantage. If she is/was a man, I don’t believe that they should be boxing women. However, it seems sketchy to me. Algeria isn’t the first country that springs to mind when I think of “woke agendas trying to put people on a pedestal”. Failed sex tests mate so the world governing body banned them and they didn't challenge it at court of arbitration. Appears more likely intersex but have XY chromosones, gone through male puberty and has produced increased testosterone accordingly. Females typically produce 1/10 - 1/20th the amount so it's a massive difference especially when someone is punching you in the face. Even when East Germany were doping their athletes with testosterone it wasn't at that sort of levels. The record is massaged by losing 6 of their opening 9 fights so they've only lost 3 in 41. It's irrelevant really as they've gotten to where they are via competitive advantage and the question is whether they would be there without it not that the 38 women just need be as good as the 3 who triumphed. The main issue for me though is, and why trying to normalise it in the media is fucking insidious, is what happens in LA? The IBA did the sex tests but they're not involved in the Olympics as have been stripped of their status with the media keen to discredit them. The IOC, who run the boxing at the games, obviously didn't need sex tests but instead went with the far more stringent approach of checking what it said in their passport! That opens an obvious loophole to exploit for intersex but imagine what happens next games potentially with self ID. So, if they are intersex and born a biological female with female genitalia, they shouldn’t be allowed to compete because of an incredibly rare genetic event? To me, that doesn’t stack up. I can get behind the “women who have become “women” because of conversion therapy shouldn’t be able to compete with women who were born that way”. However, this Algerian was born a woman. Sex at birth should be the qualifying factor. Anything else seems very nuanced. Where should this Algerian boxer compete? She was assigned female at birth and identifies as female. Would it be right to put her in with men? I don’t think so. At that point, you are actually allowing a man to beat the crap out of a biological female. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2024 12:22:31 GMT
9 women have beaten the Algerian boxer in the past few years including an Irish woman. I think both these boxers are in a similar predicament to Caster Semenya. Irish women often beat man in fights on a Friday night so don't use that as a benchmark Bottom line is, you are what you born for me but all this pandering to people will soon enough lead to a 3rd so called called gender in sport After that we have people who don't identify as either categories followed by the 110m hurdles for those who identify as a Tree Loris The more they let this nonsense creep in, the worse it will get in sport So, this Algerian who was assigned female at birth because she has female sex genitalia should then be able to compete in female sports, right? |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 2, 2024 12:25:52 GMT
I wouldn't have Steve Bunce down as an ally necessarily but he speaks well....
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Aug 2, 2024 12:30:16 GMT
Well in Broyony Page.
GB now 4th in the medal table
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Aug 2, 2024 12:32:04 GMT
Well in Broyony Page. GB now 4th in the medal table Superb win. She looked well chuffed when her marks came out. |
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Post by noustie on Aug 2, 2024 12:34:16 GMT
Failed sex tests mate so the world governing body banned them and they didn't challenge it at court of arbitration. Appears more likely intersex but have XY chromosones, gone through male puberty and has produced increased testosterone accordingly. Females typically produce 1/10 - 1/20th the amount so it's a massive difference especially when someone is punching you in the face. Even when East Germany were doping their athletes with testosterone it wasn't at that sort of levels. The record is massaged by losing 6 of their opening 9 fights so they've only lost 3 in 41. It's irrelevant really as they've gotten to where they are via competitive advantage and the question is whether they would be there without it not that the 38 women just need be as good as the 3 who triumphed. The main issue for me though is, and why trying to normalise it in the media is fucking insidious, is what happens in LA? The IBA did the sex tests but they're not involved in the Olympics as have been stripped of their status with the media keen to discredit them. The IOC, who run the boxing at the games, obviously didn't need sex tests but instead went with the far more stringent approach of checking what it said in their passport! That opens an obvious loophole to exploit for intersex but imagine what happens next games potentially with self ID. So, if they are intersex and born a biological female with female genitalia, they shouldn’t be allowed to compete because of an incredibly rare genetic event? To me, that doesn’t stack up. I can get behind the “women who have become “women” because of conversion therapy shouldn’t be able to compete with women who were born that way”. However, this Algerian was born a woman. Sex at birth should be the qualifying factor. Anything else seems very nuanced. Where should this Algerian boxer compete? She was assigned female at birth and identifies as female. Would it be right to put her in with men? I don’t think so. At that point, you are actually allowing a man to beat the crap out of a biological female. If they're born women and go through female puberty then sure knock themselves out even if there's a random bit of cock growth - if however they're identified as female at birth but they have internal testicles and go through male puberty then no they shouldn't. Instead they're open to compete v biological males. Caster Semenya hoovering up medals in female sport then fathering kids is frankly ridiculous. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 2, 2024 12:34:18 GMT
Irish women often beat man in fights on a Friday night so don't use that as a benchmark Bottom line is, you are what you born for me but all this pandering to people will soon enough lead to a 3rd so called called gender in sport After that we have people who don't identify as either categories followed by the 110m hurdles for those who identify as a Tree Loris The more they let this nonsense creep in, the worse it will get in sport So, this Algerian who was assigned female at birth because she has female sex genitalia should then be able to compete in female sports, right? I think so , yep She was born female and they've never revealed why she failed a gender test but if she had some rare condition should be be prevented from boxing because she is physically stronger because of that? Is a rare case |
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Post by GrahamHyde on Aug 2, 2024 12:36:00 GMT
“If Imane Khelif was such an unstoppable monster benefiting from an unfair advantage, she probably wouldn’t have lost 20% of her international level fights...and would probably stop more than 8.89% of her opponents.”
Sums it up, cop out from the Italian boxer. She simply wasn't good enough.
Biologically female and born and raised a woman, testosterone levels may be elevated but still fall within the allowable threshold. No issues for me.
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Post by Northy on Aug 2, 2024 12:39:37 GMT
Well in Broyony Page. GB now 4th in the medal table A nice gold on the trampoline, pressurised the Chinese girl into a fault. |
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Post by GrahamHyde on Aug 2, 2024 12:42:33 GMT
So, if they are intersex and born a biological female with female genitalia, they shouldn’t be allowed to compete because of an incredibly rare genetic event? To me, that doesn’t stack up. I can get behind the “women who have become “women” because of conversion therapy shouldn’t be able to compete with women who were born that way”. However, this Algerian was born a woman. Sex at birth should be the qualifying factor. Anything else seems very nuanced. Where should this Algerian boxer compete? She was assigned female at birth and identifies as female. Would it be right to put her in with men? I don’t think so. At that point, you are actually allowing a man to beat the crap out of a biological female. If they're born women and go through female puberty then sure knock themselves out even if there's a random bit of cock growth - if however they're identified as female at birth but they have internal testicles and go through male puberty then no they shouldn't. Instead they're open to compete v biological males. Caster Semenya hoovering up medals in female sport then fathering kids is frankly ridiculous. So there's more than two biological sexes then in reality? I'm not suggesting that's what you're saying - just trying to understand it. Or is it that you can be born female but actually be a male without being transgender. Does that then make you female, male or both? If intersex is a thing, then a lot of people probably need to reassess their understanding of the issues at play rather than doubling down on the whole 'only two gender' thing. It's clearly more nuanced than a lot of people think, even if instances like this one are incredibly rare. |
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Post by musik on Aug 2, 2024 12:45:40 GMT
"Excellent", Kanal 5 and Eurosport show horse jumping and shooting.
Truls 🇸🇪 plays table tennis semi and Handball Swe 🇸🇪 vs Kroatia - but obviously only on Max, 6000 per year.
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Post by liathroid on Aug 2, 2024 13:00:42 GMT
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Post by noustie on Aug 2, 2024 13:04:08 GMT
If they're born women and go through female puberty then sure knock themselves out even if there's a random bit of cock growth - if however they're identified as female at birth but they have internal testicles and go through male puberty then no they shouldn't. Instead they're open to compete v biological males. Caster Semenya hoovering up medals in female sport then fathering kids is frankly ridiculous. So there's more than two biological sexes then in reality? I'm not suggesting that's what you're saying - just trying to understand it. Or is it that you can be born female but actually be a male without being transgender. Does that then make you female, male or both? If intersex is a thing, then a lot of people probably need to reassess their understanding of the issues at play rather than doubling down on the whole 'only two gender' thing. It's clearly more nuanced than a lot of people think, even if instances like this one are incredibly rare. I don't think it's that difficult to be honest but it just may not become apparent until puberty. There's no true human cases of hermaphroditism so nobody could literally go fuck themselves although there's probably a category on x-hamster to show different. There can be cases where both genitalia are present but only one, or neither, work. Live and let live for me but that shouldn't come at the expense of biological women sport - Caster has functioning testicles and therefore shouldn't for me have medals from women races. |
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Post by noustie on Aug 2, 2024 13:08:28 GMT
I wouldn't have Steve Bunce down as an ally necessarily but he speaks well.... The problem with that though is surely people do know the result of the test - the two boxers involved along with the governing body who conducted it. Both boxers had opportunity to take it to the court of arbitration and didn't. I don't get why they wouldn't if they felt the results were inaccurate or incorrect. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 2, 2024 13:20:57 GMT
Well in Broyony Page. GB now 4th in the medal table Is she the lass from Crewe? Beth Tweddle used to live not far from me, the S African who won a medal for GB 🤨 |
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Post by chuffedstokie on Aug 2, 2024 13:28:49 GMT
Silver for the man with the gun, nice going.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Aug 2, 2024 13:43:32 GMT
Up to third now. Going great guns.
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Post by musik on Aug 2, 2024 14:01:33 GMT
Truls Möregårdh 🇸🇪 in the Final in table tennis against Zhendong Fan on Sunday.
Sweden Men beat Kroatia in Handball.
Sweden 🥈 in Sailing Ladies.
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Post by musik on Aug 2, 2024 14:04:03 GMT
Not a single word about this on Swedish tv. Who is he? |
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 2, 2024 14:13:34 GMT
Truls Möregårdh 🇸🇪 in the Final in table tennis against Zhendong Fan on Sunday. Sweden Men beat Kroatia in Handball. Sweden 🥈 in Sailing Ladies. Congrats on silver |
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Post by Clem Fandango on Aug 2, 2024 14:24:07 GMT
Team GB are having a fantastic day
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Aug 2, 2024 14:30:18 GMT
Not a single word about this on Swedish tv. Who is he? She! |
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Post by musik on Aug 2, 2024 14:54:26 GMT
Not a single word about this on Swedish tv. Who is he? She! Name? |
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