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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2024 14:41:10 GMT
I hate the concept of inverted full back. There are more places on the pitch than a congested central midfield. Overload the flanks. Junior will look fine when you do.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2024 14:55:01 GMT
I hate the concept of inverted full back. There are more places on the pitch than a congested central midfield. Overload the flanks. Junior will look fine when you do. "Football is a simple game complicated by idiots"
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 15:54:01 GMT
I hate the concept of inverted full back. There are more places on the pitch than a congested central midfield. Overload the flanks. Junio. will look fine when you do. "Football is a simple game complicated by idiots" I tend to agree but the idiots are by no means original thinkers. They're following a lead, picking someone to mimic. being mentored, call it what you will they're not taking their lead from when football was at it's most exciting/entertaining. Do we just wait until it works itself out??
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 24, 2024 16:03:57 GMT
Take aways for me from last night:
Tchamadeu - extremely poor against a left winger who has struggled in league 2.
Tezgel / Lowe - nowhere near ready for championship football and should be sent out on loan where they can learn and develop.
Baker - needs to leave, he just isn't suited to the how the manager wants to play and makes us too pedestrian with him in midfield.
Thompson - should never start a game as first choice anywhere in the team, fine for back up but like Baker we play too slow and pedestrian with him in midfield.
Would like to see Vidigal tried in the central striker role during pre season and see how he does.
Manhoef is looking like he is going to be a player this season and I have a hunch think he'll be player of the season.
I like the look of Dixon, think he will be fine as a 4th choice centre back.
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Post by tommystoke123 on Jul 24, 2024 16:06:47 GMT
Take aways for me from last night: Tchamadeu - extremely poor against a left winger who has struggled in league 2. Tezgel / Lowe - nowhere near ready for championship football and should be sent out on loan where they can learn and develop. Baker - needs to leave, he just isn't suited to the how the manager wants to play and makes us too pedestrian with him in midfield. Thompson - should never start a game as first choice anywhere in the team, fine for back up but like Baker we play too slow and pedestrian with him in midfield. Would like to see Vidigal tried in the central striker role during pre season and see how he does. Manhoef is looking like he is going to be a player this season and I have a hunch think he'll be player of the season. I like the look of Dixon, think he will be fine as a 4th choice centre back. This x2
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 16:09:34 GMT
Take aways for me from last night: Tchamadeu - extremely poor against a left winger who has struggled in league 2. Tezgel / Lowe - nowhere near ready for championship football and should be sent out on loan where they can learn and develop. Baker - needs to leave, he just isn't suited to the how the manager wants to play and makes us too pedestrian with him in midfield. Thompson - should never start a game as first choice anywhere in the team, fine for back up but like Baker we play too slow and pedestrian with him in midfield. Would like to see Vidigal tried in the central striker role during pre season and see how he does.
Manhoef is looking like he is going to be a player this season and I have a hunch think he'll be player of the season.
I like the look of Dixon, think he will be fine as a 4th choice centre back. You were doing fine until you type these two lines. Vidigal lacks everything we need in the central striker role, pace , power , aggression and as Manhoef demonstrated last night whilst we might often enjoy watching him his technique leaves quite a bit to be desired.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Jul 24, 2024 16:37:17 GMT
Take aways for me from last night: Tchamadeu - extremely poor against a left winger who has struggled in league 2. Tezgel / Lowe - nowhere near ready for championship football and should be sent out on loan where they can learn and develop. Baker - needs to leave, he just isn't suited to the how the manager wants to play and makes us too pedestrian with him in midfield. Thompson - should never start a game as first choice anywhere in the team, fine for back up but like Baker we play too slow and pedestrian with him in midfield. Would like to see Vidigal tried in the central striker role during pre season and see how he does.
Manhoef is looking like he is going to be a player this season and I have a hunch think he'll be player of the season.
I like the look of Dixon, think he will be fine as a 4th choice centre back. You were doing fine until you type these two lines. Vidigal lacks everything we need in the central striker role, pace , power , aggression and as Manhoef demonstrated last night whilst we might often enjoy watching him his technique leaves quite a bit to be desired. Erm... he scored twice and looked the most likely player by far to score. Scoring is mainly what I look for in my strikers.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 16:49:43 GMT
You were doing fine until you type these two lines. Vidigal lacks everything we need in the central striker role, pace , power , aggression and as Manhoef demonstrated last night whilst we might often enjoy watching him his technique leaves quite a bit to be desired. Erm... he scored twice and looked the most likely player by far to score. Scoring is mainly what I look for in my strikers. Very few if any strikers at any decent level are just finishers nowadays, it's about what they do to influence the game when they're not spending a split second scoring a goal. I've had a very simple initial question I ask about strikers for a long time. "Fast or Strong??" if the answer is neither I write them off virtually straight away at least for the foreseeable future (ie Tezgel, lowe) Guess what Vidigal is neither. No problem with him as a squad player but I'd sell at any decent profit.
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Post by stokieinlondon on Jul 24, 2024 17:20:07 GMT
Erm... he scored twice and looked the most likely player by far to score. Scoring is mainly what I look for in my strikers. Very few if any strikers at any decent level are just finishers nowadays, it's about what they do to influence the game when they're not spending a split second scoring a goal. I've had a very simple initial question I ask about strikers for a long time. "Fast or Strong??" if the answer is neither I write them off virtually straight away at least for the foreseeable future (ie Tezgel, lowe) Guess what Vidigal is neither. No problem with him as a squad player but I'd sell at any decent profit. Michael Owen and Inzaghi did almost nothing else apart from finish off chances, and I’d say they had decent careers. Not sure they’d be in a Pep / Arteta team but in the right team, they were very effective
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 17:24:11 GMT
Very few if any strikers at any decent level are just finishers nowadays, it's about what they do to influence the game when they're not spending a split second scoring a goal. I've had a very simple initial question I ask about strikers for a long time. "Fast or Strong??" if the answer is neither I write them off virtually straight away at least for the foreseeable future (ie Tezgel, lowe) Guess what Vidigal is neither. No problem with him as a squad player but I'd sell at any decent profit. Michael Owen and Inzaghi did almost nothing else apart from finish off chances, and I’d say they had decent careers. Not sure they’d be in a Pep / Arteta team but in the right team, they were very effective Don't tell me and Waddo signed a load of old players and it worked just fine. Its still relevant honest.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 17:26:38 GMT
Very few if any strikers at any decent level are just finishers nowadays, it's about what they do to influence the game when they're not spending a split second scoring a goal. I've had a very simple initial question I ask about strikers for a long time. "Fast or Strong??" if the answer is neither I write them off virtually straight away at least for the foreseeable future (ie Tezgel, lowe) Guess what Vidigal is neither. No problem with him as a squad player but I'd sell at any decent profit. Michael Owen and Inzaghi did almost nothing else apart from finish off chances, and I’d say they had decent careers. Not sure they’d be in any team of note in the 2020's but in the right team, they were very effective There you go sorted that for you. By the way no idea about Inzaghi but Owen had absolutely blistering pace. See "fast or strong". I've heard of Inzaghi but couldn't tell you whether he was 5'6" or 6'5".
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 24, 2024 17:59:02 GMT
Michael Owen and Inzaghi did almost nothing else apart from finish off chances, and I’d say they had decent careers. Not sure they’d be in any team of note in the 2020's but in the right team, they were very effective There you go sorted that for you. By the way no idea about Inzaghi but Owen had absolutely blistering pace. See "fast or strong". I've heard of Inzaghi but couldn't tell you whether he was 5'6" or 6'5". Mr Offside he was nicknamed, lethal finish though when he wasn’t
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jul 24, 2024 18:00:01 GMT
Agree re: Tezgel and Lowe, neither are ready.
I'd have more of a look at Dixon, hasn't been tested too much so far but he does look a class act and very composed on the ball.
Vidigal has come back looking a lot stronger so I'm hoping that will set him up well for this season.
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Post by logdog on Jul 24, 2024 18:21:48 GMT
Michael Owen and Inzaghi did almost nothing else apart from finish off chances, and I’d say they had decent careers. Not sure they’d be in any team of note in the 2020's but in the right team, they were very effective There you go sorted that for you. By the way no idea about Inzaghi but Owen had absolutely blistering pace. See "fast or strong". I've heard of Inzaghi but couldn't tell you whether he was 5'6" or 6'5". Robert Lewandowski isn’t & wasn’t either fast or strong.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 18:27:06 GMT
There you go sorted that for you. By the way no idea about Inzaghi but Owen had absolutely blistering pace. See "fast or strong". I've heard of Inzaghi but couldn't tell you whether he was 5'6" or 6'5". Robert Lewandowski isn’t & wasn’t either fast or strong. We don't want him then. We need a player who'll affect the game by more than finishing best he stays playing for teams with masses of creativity.
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Post by sealion100 on Jul 24, 2024 18:48:23 GMT
Take aways for me from last night: Tchamadeu - extremely poor against a left winger who has struggled in league 2. Tezgel / Lowe - nowhere near ready for championship football and should be sent out on loan where they can learn and develop. Baker - needs to leave, he just isn't suited to the how the manager wants to play and makes us too pedestrian with him in midfield. Thompson - should never start a game as first choice anywhere in the team, fine for back up but like Baker we play too slow and pedestrian with him in midfield. Would like to see Vidigal tried in the central striker role during pre season and see how he does. Manhoef is looking like he is going to be a player this season and I have a hunch think he'll be player of the season. I like the look of Dixon, think he will be fine as a 4th choice centre back.
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Post by sealion100 on Jul 24, 2024 18:50:16 GMT
Take aways for me from last night: Tchamadeu - extremely poor against a left winger who has struggled in league 2. Tezgel / Lowe - nowhere near ready for championship football and should be sent out on loan where they can learn and develop. Baker - needs to leave, he just isn't suited to the how the manager wants to play and makes us too pedestrian with him in midfield. Thompson - should never start a game as first choice anywhere in the team, fine for back up but like Baker we play too slow and pedestrian with him in midfield. Would like to see Vidigal tried in the central striker role during pre season and see how he does. Manhoef is looking like he is going to be a player this season and I have a hunch think he'll be player of the season. I like the look of Dixon, think he will be fine as a 4th choice centre back. Spot on !!!
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Post by logdog on Jul 24, 2024 18:52:34 GMT
Robert Lewandowski isn’t & wasn’t either fast or strong. We don't want him then. We need a player who'll affect the game by more than finishing best he stays playing for teams with masses of creativity. We aren’t talking about him playing for us though are we? You said if a striker wasn’t fast or strong you write them off. Lewandowski is neither. Hasn’t done too bad for himself.
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Post by logdog on Jul 24, 2024 18:54:19 GMT
How do we think the new keeper did last night?🤔
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 18:55:06 GMT
We don't want him then. We need a player who'll affect the game by more than finishing best he stays playing for teams with masses of creativity. We aren’t talking about him playing for us though are we? You said if a striker wasn’t fast or strong you writhe them off. Lewandowski is neither. Hasn’t done too bad for himself. Neither was Sheringham. Wouldn't want that type of striker either.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 18:55:36 GMT
How do we think the new keeper did last night?🤔 Frighteningly small.
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Post by logdog on Jul 24, 2024 18:57:36 GMT
We aren’t talking about him playing for us though are we? You said if a striker wasn’t fast or strong you writhe them off. Lewandowski is neither. Hasn’t done too bad for himself. Neither was Sheringham. Wouldn't want that type of striker either. My point is you can’t just write strikers off who aren’t fast or strong. Plenty of these type had long & successful careers.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 19:05:12 GMT
Neither was Sheringham. Wouldn't want that type of striker either. My point is you can’t just write strikers off who aren’t fast or strong. Plenty of these type had long & successful careers. Ok I'll clarify I wouldn't write off their career I'd write off wanting them. We need pace and power. It doesn't matter whether that comes in one player or two as long as it's not some farce that comes attached to a complete lack of mobility like last season with Wesley. We've been linked with BTA who has both and Oli McBurnie who is strong but not immobile I'd have welcomed either but it seems those ships have sailed. Our options appear to be reducing by the day but I still believe we'll make some serious signings.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 24, 2024 19:07:02 GMT
My point is you can’t just write strikers off who aren’t fast or strong. Plenty of these type had long & successful careers. Ok I'll clarify I wouldn't write off their career I'd write off wanting them. We need pace and power. It doesn't matter whether that comes in one player or two as long as it's not some farce that comes attached to a complete lack of mobility like last season with Wesley. We've been linked with BTA who has both and Oli McBurnie who is strong but not immobile I'd have welcomed either but it seems those ships have sailed. Our options appear to be reducing by the day but I still believe we'll make some serious signings. Fletcher didn't have pace and power yet he's probably the best proper number 9 we've had in years
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 19:09:30 GMT
Ok I'll clarify I wouldn't write off their career I'd write off wanting them. We need pace and power. It doesn't matter whether that comes in one player or two as long as it's not some farce that comes attached to a complete lack of mobility like last season with Wesley. We've been linked with BTA who has both and Oli McBurnie who is strong but not immobile I'd have welcomed either but it seems those ships have sailed. Our options appear to be reducing by the day but I still believe we'll make some serious signings. Fletcher didn't have pace and power yet he's probably the best proper number 9 we've had in years Fletcher didn't have power. I suggest you review some videos. Completely agree with the rest of your post.
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Post by logdog on Jul 24, 2024 19:11:43 GMT
Fletcher didn't have pace and power yet he's probably the best proper number 9 we've had in years Fletcher didn't have power. I suggest yo review some videos. Completely agree with the rest of your post. To be fair, Fletcher always looked a bit of a handful for centre halves to me.
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Post by strettonstokie on Jul 24, 2024 19:11:59 GMT
Take aways for me from last night: Tchamadeu - extremely poor against a left winger who has struggled in league 2. Tezgel / Lowe - nowhere near ready for championship football and should be sent out on loan where they can learn and develop. Baker - needs to leave, he just isn't suited to the how the manager wants to play and makes us too pedestrian with him in midfield. Thompson - should never start a game as first choice anywhere in the team, fine for back up but like Baker we play too slow and pedestrian with him in midfield. Would like to see Vidigal tried in the central striker role during pre season and see how he does. Manhoef is looking like he is going to be a player this season and I have a hunch think he'll be player of the season. I like the look of Dixon, think he will be fine as a 4th choice centre back. Along with junior I thought million was the worse player on the pitch
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 19:15:33 GMT
Fletcher didn't have power. I suggest yo review some videos. Completely agree with the rest of your post. To be fair, Fletcher always looked a bit of a handful for centre halves to me. Probably not the raw static power of Wesley but miles more combative. Knocked defenders about. That's what I want to see and why I don't like Mmaee, nothing to do with him being a naughty boy. Pretty sure in like a bench press competition Wes would win hands down.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 19:17:33 GMT
Take aways for me from last night: Tchamadeu - extremely poor against a left winger who has struggled in league 2. Tezgel / Lowe - nowhere near ready for championship football and should be sent out on loan where they can learn and develop. Baker - needs to leave, he just isn't suited to the how the manager wants to play and makes us too pedestrian with him in midfield. Thompson - should never start a game as first choice anywhere in the team, fine for back up but like Baker we play too slow and pedestrian with him in midfield. Would like to see Vidigal tried in the central striker role during pre season and see how he does. Manhoef is looking like he is going to be a player this season and I have a hunch think he'll be player of the season. I like the look of Dixon, think he will be fine as a 4th choice centre back. Along with junior I thought million was the worse player on the pitch I was only arguing with a couple of posters earlier in the day that Manhoef's technique isn't all that. He made them look a bit silly.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 24, 2024 19:44:11 GMT
Which Mick Lynch etc were trying to tell people what’s going on as it’s a shambles But people ( like yourself tbh 😊) just castigated him and the workforce by swallowing the narrative the media wanted you to swallow Up the potters 👍 Tbf the London Midland service since it changed to Stafford to Crewe is very reliable. Both the 17.10 to Newark Castle and 17.33 to Stafford cancelled today btw😉
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