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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2024 9:28:07 GMT
We play 3 central midfielders anyway, do any of them need to do it? not really but British football has had a copycat disease going back to conte’s wing backs Very true. You’d hope after last season when he tried it and just didn’t work he’d bin it off. And you seem to have a natural balance anyway with Junior staying back a bit more and Bocat going forward more. Seems pretty simple to me. And with the 3 midfielders anyway you shouldn’t need an extra body in midfield to overrun it. If the 3 playing can’t do that then you need a new 3 midfielders.
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Post by Bang Bang Cauliflower on Jul 24, 2024 9:40:53 GMT
Dixon was excellent. Looked a cut above anyone else on the pitch. Yeah right. There was nothing wrong with his performance but a lot of you seem to define excellent as a bit too close to ok for my understanding. Perhaps they’ve started using a different brand of dictionaries in Stoke schools since I was there. With all due respect, after reading your posts and respecting your opinion, you seem like an argumentative bellend. Come back when you’ve lost your virginity and we can have a sensible discussion.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 9:51:35 GMT
Dixon impressive once again Leris and Vidigal could still play a massive part for us this season apart from that it was all a bit meh i know its a friendly for fitness but i felt we should of had more control. We had plenty of control it was cutting edge and penetration we lacked for the first 60+ minutes at least. We camped in their half and only had to snuff out the odd break away but did anyone other than Bocat have a chance they should have scored??
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 9:54:43 GMT
Yeah right. There was nothing wrong with his performance but a lot of you seem to define excellent as a bit too close to ok for my understanding. Perhaps they’ve started using a different brand of dictionaries in Stoke schools since I was there. With all due respect, after reading your posts and respecting your opinion, you seem like an argumentative bellend. Come back when you’ve lost your virginity and we can have a sensible discussion. Oh it’s just like being in the playground 50 years ago. Was there some content or argument you meant to present then forgot??
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 24, 2024 9:56:17 GMT
I was wondering the other day who this seasons “boo-boy” was going to be. Turns out it’s going to be be Junior. Disappointing.
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Post by philb on Jul 24, 2024 10:09:43 GMT
junior the biggest worry for me in the team. i saw the same against one of the irish teams, cant trap the ball, and positionally unaware of everything going on. Just doesn’t look a very good footballer does he. We definitely need better at RB.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2024 10:11:54 GMT
I was wondering the other day who this seasons “boo-boy” was going to be. Turns out it’s going to be be Junior. Disappointing. Boo boys/scapegoats whatever you want to call them are normally shit tbf. But I think with Junior people seem to forget he’s so young and relatively inexperienced. And that’s why the inverted full back thing matters more too. You have a young inexperienced full back and you’re trying to make him be something he isn’t. I don’t get that. You’re setting him up to fail. And just enhancing the boo boy/scapegoat thing. I think he has every attribute to be a good Chanpionship full back tbh but he needs to be told to focus on defending. Support the play when you can and to gain confidence from doing the simple things well.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 24, 2024 10:14:24 GMT
not really but British football has had a copycat disease going back to conte’s wing backs Very true. You’d hope after last season when he tried it and just didn’t work he’d bin it off. And you seem to have a natural balance anyway with Junior staying back a bit more and Bocat going forward more. Seems pretty simple to me. And with the 3 midfielders anyway you shouldn’t need an extra body in midfield to overrun it. If the 3 playing can’t do that then you need a new 3 midfielders. I personally much prefer Klopp’s style when they were unbeatable, where the wingers tucked in and the full back went on their outside. It would suit Bae and Million who want to score goals and even Mmaee who could play like Firmino in a false 9. I feel like that’s where we were headed after the finish to last season, so hopefully just a pre season experiment last night. The perfect striker in this setup would be Nick Powell or someone like him but obviously that ship has well and truly sailed. Hopefully Mmaee can step up but he probably needs to improve his stamina considerably
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2024 10:19:45 GMT
Very true. You’d hope after last season when he tried it and just didn’t work he’d bin it off. And you seem to have a natural balance anyway with Junior staying back a bit more and Bocat going forward more. Seems pretty simple to me. And with the 3 midfielders anyway you shouldn’t need an extra body in midfield to overrun it. If the 3 playing can’t do that then you need a new 3 midfielders. I personally much prefer Klopp’s style when they were unbeatable, where the wingers tucked in and the full back went on their outside. It would suit Bae and Million who want to score goals and even Mmaee who could play like Firmino in a false 9. I feel like that’s where we were headed after the finish to last season, so hopefully just a pre season experiment last night. The perfect striker in this setup would be Nick Powell or someone like him but obviously that ship has well and truly sailed. Hopefully Mmaee can step up but he probably needs to improve his stamina considerably And again with the wide players we have, you’d expect that’s exactly what we’d do. Junho is naturally better inside. Manhoef cuts in on his left. Vidigal is better inside. And Bocat seems very attacking and a decent crosser. It just makes sense to operate like that.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 10:29:17 GMT
I was wondering the other day who this seasons “boo-boy” was going to be. Turns out it’s going to be be Junior. Disappointing. Boo boys/scapegoats whatever you want to call them are normally shit tbf. But I think with Junior people seem to forget he’s so young and relatively inexperienced. And that’s why the inverted full back thing matters more too. You have a young inexperienced full back and you’re trying to make him be something he isn’t. I don’t get that. You’re setting him up to fail. And just enhancing the boo boy/scapegoat thing. I think he has every attribute to be a good Chanpionship full back tbh but he needs to be told to focus on defending. Support the play when you can and to gain confidence from doing the simple things well. Has there ever been 1 decent manager/HC who will alter the way he wants his team to play for the sake of 1 young very raw player? Junior would benefit from a much more basic game plan for his position. Maybe he’ll need to get it on loan.
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Post by senojbor on Jul 24, 2024 10:31:00 GMT
I think SS should play Vidigal in a central striking role. He's proved he knows where the net is
Better option than Ennis and that useless lump we were going to sign from QPR who went to Bristol City.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2024 10:31:30 GMT
Boo boys/scapegoats whatever you want to call them are normally shit tbf. But I think with Junior people seem to forget he’s so young and relatively inexperienced. And that’s why the inverted full back thing matters more too. You have a young inexperienced full back and you’re trying to make him be something he isn’t. I don’t get that. You’re setting him up to fail. And just enhancing the boo boy/scapegoat thing. I think he has every attribute to be a good Chanpionship full back tbh but he needs to be told to focus on defending. Support the play when you can and to gain confidence from doing the simple things well. Has there ever been 1 decent manager/HC who will alter the way he wants his team to play for the sake of 1 young very raw player? Junior would benefit from a much more basic game plan for his position. Maybe he’ll need to get it on loan. Then do that. The game plan seems incredibly flawed anyway. So he needs revisit it (again).
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Post by midtempo on Jul 24, 2024 10:32:47 GMT
Dixon impressive once again Leris and Vidigal could still play a massive part for us this season apart from that it was all a bit meh i know its a friendly for fitness but i felt we should of had more control. We had plenty of control it was cutting edge and penetration we lacked for the first 60+ minutes at least. We camped in their half and only had to snuff out the odd break away but did anyone other than Bocat have a chance they should have scored?? 1st half Alongside the shot the keeper saved from Bocat with his legs low down, Shot from Baker from outside the box, keeper saved low down to his right after it had bounced up slightly , header from Burger, keeper dived to his left to save and tip around the post
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 10:34:46 GMT
Has there ever been 1 decent manager/HC who will alter the way he wants his team to play for the sake of 1 young very raw player? Junior would benefit from a much more basic game plan for his position. Maybe he’ll need to get it on loan. Then do that. The game plan seems incredibly flawed anyway. So he needs revisit it (again). The game plan isn’t flawed you’re on record as saying you loved it. The components are flawed and quite a few need changing to execute the game plans in the manner of the final 3 games.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2024 10:35:34 GMT
Then do that. The game plan seems incredibly flawed anyway. So he needs revisit it (again). The game plan isn’t flawed you’re on record as saying you loved it. The components are flawed and quite a few need changing to execute the game plans in the manner of the final 3 games. He got rid of it.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 10:37:00 GMT
We had plenty of control it was cutting edge and penetration we lacked for the first 60+ minutes at least. We camped in their half and only had to snuff out the odd break away but did anyone other than Bocat have a chance they should have scored?? 1st half Alongside the shot the keeper saved from Bocat with his legs low down, Shot from Baker from outside the box, keeper saved low down to his right after it had bounced up slightly , header from Burger, keeper dived to his left to save and tip around the post I didn’t say could have scored I said should have scored Bocat was the only one that applied to imo. Literally the only moment where you thought “ he should have buried that”
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 10:39:23 GMT
The game plan isn’t flawed you’re on record as saying you loved it. The components are flawed and quite a few need changing to execute the game plans in the manner of the final 3 games. He got rid of it. Take it you mean Campbell he wasn’t the game plan he was one of its components. One that had been incredibly unreliable for 2 years or more. I’d have kept him despite that but I can understand the reasoning not to.
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Post by liathroid on Jul 24, 2024 11:05:25 GMT
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 24, 2024 11:14:24 GMT
Clinical Vidigal🔴⚪️
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 24, 2024 11:17:23 GMT
First half our midfield seriously worried me, we got cut open so many times, Baker is way too much of a luxury to be a starter for me.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 11:24:51 GMT
Let’s hope someone buys him for millions before he goes all wimpy again when it gets cold.
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Post by questionable on Jul 24, 2024 12:13:09 GMT
First half our midfield seriously worried me, we got cut open so many times, Baker is way too much of a luxury to be a starter for me. Overall I thought it was quite poor with SS trying again where he glaringly failed last season, First professional opposition and there wasn't a great deal between both sides. Don’t buy into its minutes in legs malarkey
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Post by lordb on Jul 24, 2024 12:18:16 GMT
I take it there was no trouble?
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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 24, 2024 12:25:26 GMT
First half our midfield seriously worried me, we got cut open so many times, Baker is way too much of a luxury to be a starter for me. It was very strange first 35 mins or so, we had all our midfield and forward players high in the Crewe half but they weren’t actually offering any kind of press meaning that countless times Crewe just passed through us and were able to get in and around our area with ease. We seemed to get it right for the last 10 mins or so of the first half though and had them camped inside their own half and hanging on a bit. Think there’s some merit to the mangers observations after the game that we didn’t win enough duels. I can’t remember Thompson, Burger or Baker winning a ball all half.
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 24, 2024 12:42:54 GMT
Let’s hope someone buys him for millions before he goes all wimpy again when it gets cold. Do you actually support Stoke? Genuine question? Your negative beyond belief…bet your an absolute riot😂🔴⚪️
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Post by Los Alfareros on Jul 24, 2024 12:50:43 GMT
I take it there was no trouble? Only at right back
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 13:16:45 GMT
Let’s hope someone buys him for millions before he goes all wimpy again when it gets cold. Do you actually support Stoke? Genuine question? Your negative beyond belief…bet your an absolute riot😂🔴⚪️ Why am I wrong??
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Post by stiggerstackle on Jul 24, 2024 13:19:34 GMT
I think SS should play Vidigal in a central striking role. He's proved he knows where the net is Better option than Ennis and that useless lump we were going to sign from QPR who went to Bristol City. Completely agree. I was behind the far goal so had a shite view but the first looked like a poachers goal on the 6 yard line and the 2nd a quality shot, central inside the box. I'd give him a run as striker, he doesn't have the pace to burn for winger, but is half decent on the ball, can turn and knows where the net is.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 24, 2024 13:36:38 GMT
Yes it looked as if Junior was again an inverted full back and again looked lost and our of position, the experiment, clearly isn't working. I don’t know if it’s a Schumacher thing or junior thing, as Hoever didn’t really invert.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Jul 24, 2024 13:55:13 GMT
Yes it looked as if Junior was again an inverted full back and again looked lost and our of position, the experiment, clearly isn't working. I don’t know if it’s a Schumacher thing or junior thing, as Hoever didn’t really invert. I don't think Junior necessarily inverts per se - I think he just runs full steam at the ball - no matter where it is
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