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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jun 7, 2024 10:22:07 GMT
I’ve seen a few people say this, including a couple of pundits in the media.
What are people’s thoughts?
I know there’s a thread on England already but I thought it might get lost in there.
Personally, I think the ‘Golden Era’ squad for Euro 2004 was better. The current squad is excellent in forward areas but defensively it’s pretty average in my opinion.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 7, 2024 10:25:39 GMT
I’ve seen a few people say this, including a couple of pundits in the media. What are people’s thoughts? I know there’s a thread on England already but I thought it might get lost in there. Personally, I think the ‘Golden Era’ squad for Euro 2004 was better. The current squad is excellent in forward areas but defensively it’s pretty average in my opinion. Think you're about right. For me the best attacking England side i can remember. But defensively we are lacking stalwarts like the Terry's and Ferdinands. Our defence if we fail will be to blame because its average, very average. You can see it already.. Dare I say it but i think Maguire will be sorely missed.. |
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 7, 2024 10:25:57 GMT
Miles off. We have an abundance of exciting individuals in attack, but the rest of the team looks awful. Defensively, it’s a shit show.
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Post by ohbottom on Jun 7, 2024 10:26:43 GMT
Arguably the best since 1970, if you ignore the back 5
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Post by gregstokie on Jun 7, 2024 10:28:33 GMT
I think in terms of the ‘team’ being potentially the best we’ve brought into a tournament, then yes probably. The older team with scholes, StevieG, Lamps and Beckham etc had probably more ‘better players’ but it wasn’t a very balanced team with too many of the same type of player out of position or having to do more defensive duties than they were used for doing for their club.
….. in my opinion
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 7, 2024 10:30:06 GMT
Defensively I'd argue it's one of the worst......
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 7, 2024 10:33:16 GMT
I think in terms of the ‘team’ being potentially the best we’ve brought into a tournament, then yes probably. The older team with scholes, StevieG, Lamps and Beckham etc had probably more ‘better players’ but it wasn’t a very balanced team with too many of the same type of player out of position or having to do more defensive duties than they were used for doing for their club. ….. in my opinion We are shit defensively though. That's what will do us.. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 7, 2024 10:33:35 GMT
Miles off. We have an abundance of exciting individuals in attack, but the rest of the team looks awful. Defensively, it’s a shit show. The central midfield has one of the best defensive midfielders in world football. Bellingham who is one of the best midfielders in world football. Two really exciting young players. The defence will have a world class right back, a centre half who plays for one of the best club teams in the world, a centre half who plays for the team that finished third in the PL and if Shaw plays, one of the better left backs around today. |
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 7, 2024 10:35:19 GMT
There is nothing wrong with the squad and compares favourably to any other nation in the tournament. He's picked the best available to him.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 7, 2024 10:43:28 GMT
It’s actually one of the worst defences we have ever had imo but we still have a chance.
I think it’s strong defences that normally win big tournaments.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 7, 2024 10:45:34 GMT
It’s actually the worst defence we have ever had imo Walker, Stones and Shaw are among the best defenders in the competition. |
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 7, 2024 10:46:15 GMT
Miles off. We have an abundance of exciting individuals in attack, but the rest of the team looks awful. Defensively, it’s a shit show. The central midfield has one of the best defensive midfielders in world football. Bellingham who is one of the best midfielders in world football. Two really exciting young players. The defence will have a world class right back, a centre half who plays for one of the best club teams in the world, a centre half who plays for the team that finished third in the PL and if Shaw plays, one of the better left backs around today. That’s one way of spinning it I suppose. Or another point of view is the right back is now 34 and coming towards the end of his career, the centre half is injury prone who rarely plays, the other one is completely unproven and the left back is injured and only picked in the squad because we have no one else. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 7, 2024 10:47:37 GMT
Defending’s overrated anyway…
It’s probably the most exciting squad in terms of the number of players who can make things happen in a moment or do something magical.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 7, 2024 10:47:40 GMT
It’s actually the worst defence we have ever had imo Walker, Stones and Shaw are among the best defenders in the competition. If they can stay fit then they should be ok |
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Post by norters on Jun 7, 2024 10:47:51 GMT
The media love the drama of it all.. not falling for it.. there's at least 3 better teams on paper.
For me:
Germany are the favourites - at home, tournament mentality, hammered France in Paris a couple of months ago.
France - a squad stacked with talent.. only demon they might encounter is themselves.
Portugal - much like France with incredible depth of talent. A lot will depend on whether Ronado is 'at it' as a team player.
IMO England are the 4th best team overall.. defensive depth and injuries are our obvious achilles..
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 7, 2024 10:48:27 GMT
It’s actually the worst defence we have ever had imo Walker, Stones and Shaw are among the best defenders in the competition. It’s not as simple as that though. Stones is injury prone, Shaw is injured full stop and Walker is now 34 and coming to the end of his career. We aren’t winning tournaments with a flimsy defence like that. |
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 7, 2024 10:51:39 GMT
I think we have had as good squads before. These are just younger so it feels more exciting.
We had amazing players Gerard, Scholes, Lampard, Owen, Rooney, Campbell, Beckham, Ferdinand. They have become legends of the game but achieved very little as an England team. They should have won loads, but shows it’s not that straightforward and you need luck more than anything else.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 7, 2024 10:51:50 GMT
We have a few weaknesses like every team,but our main weakness is Southall,when it comes to the crunch he will bottle it yet again.
Slip of the tongue,of cause I meant Southgate.
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 7, 2024 10:53:47 GMT
We have a few weaknesses like every team,but our main weakness is Southall,when it comes to the crunch he will bottle it yet again. Yeah, the fat welsh bastard. |
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Post by lordb on Jun 7, 2024 11:03:32 GMT
1970 squad probably the best
all of the squads Sven had were better imo
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Post by lordb on Jun 7, 2024 11:04:23 GMT
Walker, Stones and Shaw are among the best defenders in the competition. It’s not as simple as that though. Stones is injury prone, Shaw is injured full stop and Walker is now 34 and coming to the end of his career. We aren’t winning tournaments with a flimsy defence like that. to be to Walker he looks no where near the end of his carer, still rapid can see him playing till he's 40 |
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Post by yellowsnowman on Jun 7, 2024 11:05:07 GMT
Only rate walker out of the back 5... and hes nearly past it.
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Post by lordb on Jun 7, 2024 11:06:08 GMT
Only rate walker out of the back 5... and hes nearly past it. Stones is class but has injury issues Shaw is more than decent but same again but more so |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2024 11:08:18 GMT
Only rate walker out of the back 5... and hes nearly past it. Stones is class but has injury issues Shaw is more than decent but same again but more so This. Imagine Stones can't play a game, I simply don't trust any of the other CH options. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jun 7, 2024 11:11:46 GMT
The media love the drama of it all.. not falling for it.. there's at least 3 better teams on paper. For me: Germany are the favourites - at home, tournament mentality, hammered France in Paris a couple of moths ago. France - a squad stacked with talent.. only demon they might encounter is themselves. Portugal - much like France with incredible depth of talent. A lot will depend on whether Ronado is 'at it' as a team player. IMO England are the 4th best team overall.. defensive depth and injuries are our obvious achilles.. N Wouldn't disagree with that. Portugal I think have enough without Ronaldo, my faves to win it but is pretty up for grabs. I agree with above, England's biggest problem in the crunch games is the manager. A better one would have won the Euros, he was totally outwitted in the final by a far less talented side who were organised by a good coach. England have enough talent to beat good teams as have really good players and can score goals but not the nous behind them. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 7, 2024 11:12:48 GMT
The central midfield has one of the best defensive midfielders in world football. Bellingham who is one of the best midfielders in world football. Two really exciting young players. The defence will have a world class right back, a centre half who plays for one of the best club teams in the world, a centre half who plays for the team that finished third in the PL and if Shaw plays, one of the better left backs around today. That’s one way of spinning it I suppose. Or another point of view is the right back is now 34 and coming towards the end of his career, the centre half is injury prone who rarely plays, the other one is completely unproven and the left back is injured and only picked in the squad because we have no one else. The right backs age is irrelevant. He’s one of the best defenders in world football still. The rest are valid concerns. But they are good players. The midfield and attack looks stacked imo. |
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Post by noustie on Jun 7, 2024 11:18:11 GMT
Relatively neutral view on paper at the moment I don't think it is - might turn out that way on grass in the coming month though but a lot of it is potential at the moment.
Looking at the 2006 squad and this one my XI would be
Pickford / Robinson - much of a muchness
Neville / Walker - I'd go Neville as think Walker's legs are nearly going but debatable
Ferdinand over Stones
Terry (easy)
Cole (easy)
Carrick (absolutely wasted) over Rice
Gerrard
Beckham
Bellingham over Lampard (argument about Scholes though)
Foden, Palmer etc over Cole
Rooney over Kane
Trying to shoehorn Lampard and Gerrard into the same midfield 4 was just bat shit mental - what a waste!
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jun 7, 2024 11:18:13 GMT
Genuinely my interest in England gets less as the years pass. They have a great squad, like you say defence is the weak area but moving forward we must have one of the best attacking line ups?
Anyway roll on the league start…
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2024 11:27:52 GMT
From the 2004 team I'd have Ferdinand, Terry, and scholes. I'd have no one else. Rooney isn't has good as Kane, Saka, Bellingham. Lampard and Gerrard must charged forward, they didn't keep the ball or control a midfield.
In those teams a good team would keep possession and dominate the ball. That last few years England control the ball in those games, albeit still lose but at least it's progress
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jun 7, 2024 11:29:26 GMT
The media love the drama of it all.. not falling for it.. there's at least 3 better teams on paper. For me: Germany are the favourites - at home, tournament mentality, hammered France in Paris a couple of moths ago. France - a squad stacked with talent.. only demon they might encounter is themselves. Portugal - much like France with incredible depth of talent. A lot will depend on whether Ronado is 'at it' as a team player. IMO England are the 4th best team overall.. defensive depth and injuries are our obvious achilles.. N Wouldn't disagree with that. Portugal I think have enough without Ronaldo, my faves to win it but is pretty up for grabs. I agree with above, England's biggest problem in the crunch games is the manager. A better one would have won the Euros, he was totally outwitted in the final by a far less talented side who were organised by a good coach. England have enough talent to beat good teams as have really good players and can score goals but not the nous behind them. Good chance England could play Spain or Italy in the 1/4 final. Just done the predictor. Netherlands at 18-1 a good outsider |
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