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Post by lordb on Jun 7, 2024 18:51:59 GMT
It’s actually the worst defence we have ever had imo Walker, Stones and Shaw are among the best defenders in the competition. Fit and firing Shaw makes a big difference
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jun 7, 2024 18:52:02 GMT
I think the problem has always been appointing squeaky clean yes men over someone who might speak out of turn and you never know, win something. Eddie Howe I would imagine is next Capello? Allardyce? even Hoddle? He definitely spoke out of turn. Who are the current great managers who speak out of turn? One problem in this country is if someone is appointed and they have something on them, the media will hound them out. After they were appointed manager.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 7, 2024 18:53:31 GMT
Relatively neutral view on paper at the moment I don't think it is - might turn out that way on grass in the coming month though but a lot of it is potential at the moment. Looking at the 2006 squad and this one my XI would be Pickford / Robinson - much of a muchness Neville / Walker - I'd go Neville as think Walker's legs are nearly going but debatable Ferdinand over Stones Terry (easy) Cole (easy) Carrick (absolutely wasted) over Rice Gerrard Beckham Bellingham over Lampard (argument about Scholes though) Foden, Palmer etc over Cole Rooney over Kane Trying to shoehorn Lampard and Gerrard into the same midfield 4 was just bat shit mental - what a waste! Pickford Neville Ferdinand Terry Cole Rice Scholes Bellingham Foden Rooney Kane
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Post by baconburger on Jun 7, 2024 19:36:37 GMT
Might be the best on paper but on tv they’re worse than watching paint dry.
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Post by peterpan1 on Jun 7, 2024 19:58:56 GMT
Wasn't it the best England squad going into the last major tournament? If we don't win in Germany, I look forward to Southgate getting sacked the following day.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jun 7, 2024 20:03:59 GMT
Wasn't it the best England squad going into the last major tournament? If we don't win in Germany, I look forward to Southgate getting sacked the following day. Will it be time for him to leave, yes. But looking forward to a man getting sacked who's taken us to a world cup Semi and Euro final is ludicrous. You should have a column at The Mail.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jun 7, 2024 20:05:49 GMT
Wasn't it the best England squad going into the last major tournament? If we don't win in Germany, I look forward to Southgate getting sacked the following day. Will it be time for him to leave, yes. But looking forward to a man getting sacked who's taken us to a world cup Semi and Euro final is ludicrous. You should have a column at The Mail. A better coach would have won one of those with what he had available, especially the Euros
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Post by peterpan1 on Jun 7, 2024 20:18:46 GMT
Wasn't it the best England squad going into the last major tournament? If we don't win in Germany, I look forward to Southgate getting sacked the following day. Will it be time for him to leave, yes. But looking forward to a man getting sacked who's taken us to a world cup Semi and Euro final is ludicrous. You should have a column at The Mail. We may as well have been knocked out in the first round in both the above comps.....We still have zero wins with Southgate at the helm !
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Post by stokieinlondon on Jun 7, 2024 20:22:26 GMT
The poor folks who paid to go to this
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jun 7, 2024 20:30:11 GMT
Will it be time for him to leave, yes. But looking forward to a man getting sacked who's taken us to a world cup Semi and Euro final is ludicrous. You should have a column at The Mail. A better coach would have won one of those with what he had available, especially the Euros Been down that route before. Better coaches such as Sven, Capello etc... their best performance matched Southgates worst (including the 'Golden Generation') Still, competing at Major tournaments isn't for every nation.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jun 7, 2024 20:32:49 GMT
Will it be time for him to leave, yes. But looking forward to a man getting sacked who's taken us to a world cup Semi and Euro final is ludicrous. You should have a column at The Mail. We may as well have been knocked out in the first round in both the above comps.....We still have zero wins with Southgate at the helm ! I mean why stop at with the first round by that logic, may aswell not bother qualifying.
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Post by telfordstokie on Jun 7, 2024 20:38:39 GMT
Well they’ve done a good job at managing expectations tonight - even with Bellingham back it is difficult to see us winning the tournament.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jun 7, 2024 20:39:09 GMT
A better coach would have won one of those with what he had available, especially the Euros Been down that route before. Better coaches such as Sven, Capello etc... their best performance matched Southgates worst (including the 'Golden Generation') Still, competing at Major tournaments isn't for every nation. Maybe the players just aren't good enough also
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Post by peterpan1 on Jun 7, 2024 20:39:53 GMT
We may as well have been knocked out in the first round in both the above comps.....We still have zero wins with Southgate at the helm ! I mean why stop at with the first round by that logic, may aswell not bother qualifying. Let's revisit on the 15th July. We've just come 2nd best to the mighty Iceland 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by metalhead on Jun 7, 2024 20:41:20 GMT
I'm surprised anyone has even made that claim.
And equally unsurprised at our lacklustre performance tonight.
Quarter finals, if we're lucky
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Post by logdog on Jun 7, 2024 20:42:40 GMT
Flatter to deceive. Same old song.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jun 7, 2024 22:56:21 GMT
Reality check for Southgate incoming.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jun 7, 2024 23:11:12 GMT
Friendlies leading up to tornaments are completely pointless, players are cautious and about ticking over and not getting injured.
I watched France who I'd backed ,draw 0-0 with Lux before a WC they won and assumed the last of that cash.
Quite often a winning tournament team takes after the group to kick in also. Germany were poor tonight but will do ok.
England for me, should win it but won't. 1/4 final defeat if they play Italy or Spain.
Is wide open like the last one
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Post by northernstokie on Jun 8, 2024 3:14:02 GMT
Wasn't it the best England squad going into the last major tournament? If we don't win in Germany, I look forward to Southgate getting sacked the following day. Will it be time for him to leave, yes. But looking forward to a man getting sacked who's taken us to a world cup Semi and Euro final is ludicrous. You should have a column at The Mail. He also had the easiest run in those tournaments. Never played anyone of note until we got ti Italy and France.
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Post by Veritas on Jun 8, 2024 7:36:16 GMT
Wasn't it the best England squad going into the last major tournament? If we don't win in Germany, I look forward to Southgate getting sacked the following day. Sacked if we don't win! When it comes to England some Stoke fans start acting like the idiots who support the "top" Premier League clubs who believe they are entitled to win every competition they are in. Of the 34 International competitions we have entered we have won 1, been runners up in 1 and got to 4 other semi finals. Going into this tournament we have some great players and others who are distinctly average. Why on earth would you demand we win or the manager has to be sacked?
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Post by flea79 on Jun 8, 2024 7:53:59 GMT
Wasn't it the best England squad going into the last major tournament? If we don't win in Germany, I look forward to Southgate getting sacked the following day. Sacked if we don't win! When it comes to England some Stoke fans start acting like the idiots who support the "top" Premier League who believe they are entitled to win every competition they are in. Of the 34 International competitions we have entered we have won 1, been runners up in 1 and got to 4 other semi finals. Going into this tournament we have some great players and others who are distinctly average. Why on earth would you demand we win or the manager has to be sacked? I’m no fan of Southgate at all, hasn’t he said he is leaving after this tournament anyway? I would sack him now personally
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Post by Veritas on Jun 8, 2024 7:56:51 GMT
Sacked if we don't win! When it comes to England some Stoke fans start acting like the idiots who support the "top" Premier League who believe they are entitled to win every competition they are in. Of the 34 International competitions we have entered we have won 1, been runners up in 1 and got to 4 other semi finals. Going into this tournament we have some great players and others who are distinctly average. Why on earth would you demand we win or the manager has to be sacked? I’m no fan of Southgate at all, hasn’t he said he is leaving after this tournament anyway? I would sack him now personally Why? Of the 6 successful tournaments (semi finals or better) we have had 2 have been under Southgate!
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Post by Trouserdog on Jun 8, 2024 7:58:47 GMT
The 2004 side was stronger IMO.
Our current defence isn't a patch on what we had back then. The attack and midfield are probably as good, but it's defences that win tournaments. I can't see ours being able to keep a side like France out once we get to the business end of things.
We'll get to the semis I reckon, where Mbappe will tear us a new one.
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Post by thornestein on Jun 8, 2024 7:59:51 GMT
I’m no fan of Southgate at all, hasn’t he said he is leaving after this tournament anyway? I would sack him now personally Why? Of the 6 successful tournaments (semi finals or better) we have had 2 have been under Southgate! which with the players we had a more attacking manager would have won , he’s to negative and holds england back
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Post by Veritas on Jun 8, 2024 8:03:24 GMT
Why? Of the 6 successful tournaments (semi finals or better) we have had 2 have been under Southgate! which with the players we had a more attacking manager would have won , he’s to negative and holds england back We came within a penalty shoot out of winning our 2nd ever tournament and reached our 3rd ever World Cup semi, yes he has had a dreadful record.
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Post by thornestein on Jun 8, 2024 8:04:59 GMT
which with the players we had a more attacking manager would have won , he’s to negative and holds england back We came within a penalty shoot out of winning our 2nd ever tournament and reached our 3rd ever World Cup semi, yes he has had a dreadful record. more attacking during that game and we wouldn’t needed penalties , bit stupid you can’t see that
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Post by Veritas on Jun 8, 2024 8:09:55 GMT
We came within a penalty shoot out of winning our 2nd ever tournament and reached our 3rd ever World Cup semi, yes he has had a dreadful record. more attacking during that game and we wouldn’t needed penalties , bit stupid you can’t see that Or a bit more attacking and you get picked off by the Italian counter attack. You pays your money and takes your choice. Incidentally I personally would have been more attacking but it wouldn't have guaranteed a win. Whatever your preference it is a simple fact that Southgate's tournament record is only second, and only just second, to Alf Ramsey. In no way can he be described as a failure or as holding England back.
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Post by thornestein on Jun 8, 2024 8:16:30 GMT
more attacking during that game and we wouldn’t needed penalties , bit stupid you can’t see that Or a bit more attacking and you get picked off by the Italian counter attack. You pays your money and takes your choice. Incidentally I personally would have been more attacking but it wouldn't have guaranteed a win. Whatever your preference it is a simple fact that Southgate's tournament record is only second, and only just second, to Alf Ramsey. In no way can he be described as a failure or as holding England back. that’s your opinion not mine
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jun 8, 2024 9:30:38 GMT
Will it be time for him to leave, yes. But looking forward to a man getting sacked who's taken us to a world cup Semi and Euro final is ludicrous. You should have a column at The Mail. He also had the easiest run in those tournaments. Never played anyone of note until we got ti Italy and France. Nice to actually go on a run in those tournaments isn't it though, as opposed to Group Stage / L16 exits. Alternatively, we can adopt PeterPans Never(Eng)land approach of the Steve McLaren era by not bothering to go at all because we didn't win it.
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Post by northernstokie on Jun 8, 2024 10:04:31 GMT
He also had the easiest run in those tournaments. Never played anyone of note until we got ti Italy and France. Nice to actually go on a run in those tournaments isn't it though, as opposed to Group Stage / L16 exits. Alternatively, we can adopt PeterPans Never(Eng)land approach of the Steve McLaren era by not bothering to go at all because we didn't win it. It's always nice to go deep but giving Southgate the praise for only beating the weaker teams is what I was getting at I can't remember us ever having easier runs. Southgate is a bottle job.
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