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Post by stokecitydom on Nov 3, 2024 9:11:54 GMT
You head it to where the keeper should be. Agreed that Gibson isn’t blameless but Vik is so far out of position it’s ridiculous. It’s an absolute basic that you don’t pass the ball back between the sticks. Both were at fault but why Gibson just isn’t heading it back from where it came is anyone’s guess. And if you do head it back you don’t under any circumstances put it on target. It’s just so basic. Normally a cushioned header in that position is absolutely fine & it would result in being collected by the keeper, a gentle ripple of applause as it was calm defending & allowed us to retain possession. If Gibson headed that off target from goal it would’ve give the opportunity to concede a corner. On this very rare occasion, the keeper has made an error of judgement and unexpectedly gone awol from his goal. With regards to passing the ball back between the sticks, in my experience that’s normally with a pass to feet, as it reduces the risk of the keeper miscontrolling or a bobble resulting in a goal. This one should’ve just been a simple catch from any keeper. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Nov 3, 2024 9:14:20 GMT
Mistake aside did you see some of this clowns passing it was a joke
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Post by wakeypotter on Nov 3, 2024 9:16:57 GMT
You head it to where the keeper should be. Agreed that Gibson isn’t blameless but Vik is so far out of position it’s ridiculous. It’s an absolute basic that you don’t pass the ball back between the sticks. Both were at fault but why Gibson just isn’t heading it back from where it came is anyone’s guess. And if you do head it back you don’t under any circumstances put it on target. It’s just so basic. This This is what I was saying at a young age you get told not to pass back between the posts |
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 3, 2024 9:27:58 GMT
It’s an absolute basic that you don’t pass the ball back between the sticks. Both were at fault but why Gibson just isn’t heading it back from where it came is anyone’s guess. And if you do head it back you don’t under any circumstances put it on target. It’s just so basic. This This is what I was saying at a young age you get told not to pass back between the posts It was a cushioned header. If Vik is anywhere near where he should be it’s not an issue. Hope he learns from it. |
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Post by thornestein on Nov 3, 2024 9:34:00 GMT
This This is what I was saying at a young age you get told not to pass back between the posts It was a cushioned header. If Vik is anywhere near where he should be it’s not an issue. Hope he learns from it. it doesn’t matter , Gibson should be aware of player around and know where his goalkeeper is , you said it yourself he’s facing our goal |
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Post by wakeypotter on Nov 3, 2024 9:40:34 GMT
This This is what I was saying at a young age you get told not to pass back between the posts It was a cushioned header. If Vik is anywhere near where he should be it’s not an issue. Hope he learns from it. Vic will have to learn when Gibson is in front of him to expect the unexpected that’s for sure |
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 3, 2024 9:41:44 GMT
It was a cushioned header. If Vik is anywhere near where he should be it’s not an issue. Hope he learns from it. it doesn’t matter , Gibson should be aware of player around and know where his goalkeeper is , you said it yourself he’s facing our goal It’s poor from Gibson. But there’s no way he’s the one more at fault. He’s holding off a player and focused on getting to the ball. Vik is under zero pressure and just needs to position himself correctly. In fact he could get away with being slightly out of position easily. But he’s completely misjudged the flight of the ball and is so far out of position it’s nuts. Still think he’s a great keeper but this is on him. |
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Post by dioufsboots on Nov 3, 2024 9:46:52 GMT
Just not good enough he’s going cost us more points than he helps us gain
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Post by thornestein on Nov 3, 2024 11:39:56 GMT
it doesn’t matter , Gibson should be aware of player around and know where his goalkeeper is , you said it yourself he’s facing our goal It’s poor from Gibson. But there’s no way he’s the one more at fault. He’s holding off a player and focused on getting to the ball. Vik is under zero pressure and just needs to position himself correctly. In fact he could get away with being slightly out of position easily. But he’s completely misjudged the flight of the ball and is so far out of position it’s nuts. Still think he’s a great keeper but this is on him. like i’ve said before it’s a 50/50 cluster fuck by the pair of them |
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Post by spoton on Nov 3, 2024 11:47:09 GMT
it doesn’t matter , Gibson should be aware of player around and know where his goalkeeper is , you said it yourself he’s facing our goal It’s poor from Gibson. But there’s no way he’s the one more at fault. He’s holding off a player and focused on getting to the ball. Vik is under zero pressure and just needs to position himself correctly. In fact he could get away with being slightly out of position easily. But he’s completely misjudged the flight of the ball and is so far out of position it’s nuts. Still think he’s a great keeper but this is on him. Definitely the keepers fault unless the defender is told or can see the keeper is in a different position the defender would expect the keeper to be on his line it's that simple, fans who are blaming Gibson are totally wrong, if you play football you realise this |
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 3, 2024 11:55:15 GMT
It’s poor from Gibson. But there’s no way he’s the one more at fault. He’s holding off a player and focused on getting to the ball. Vik is under zero pressure and just needs to position himself correctly. In fact he could get away with being slightly out of position easily. But he’s completely misjudged the flight of the ball and is so far out of position it’s nuts. Still think he’s a great keeper but this is on him. Definitely the keepers fault unless the defender is told or can see the keeper is in a different position the defender would expect the keeper to be on his line it's that simple, fans who are blaming Gibson are totally wrong, if you play football you realise this Exactly how I see it. |
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 3, 2024 12:02:28 GMT
It’s poor from Gibson. But there’s no way he’s the one more at fault. He’s holding off a player and focused on getting to the ball. Vik is under zero pressure and just needs to position himself correctly. In fact he could get away with being slightly out of position easily. But he’s completely misjudged the flight of the ball and is so far out of position it’s nuts. Still think he’s a great keeper but this is on him. Definitely the keepers fault unless the defender is told or can see the keeper is in a different position the defender would expect the keeper to be on his line it's that simple, fans who are blaming Gibson are totally wrong, if you play football you realise this Don’t disagree, but if you play football you will also acknowledge that a defender passing (or heading) the ball back to his keeper is always instructed to pass back wide of the posts to avoid a calamity like we saw yesterday. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 3, 2024 12:04:15 GMT
It’s an absolute basic that you don’t pass the ball back between the sticks. Both were at fault but why Gibson just isn’t heading it back from where it came is anyone’s guess. And if you do head it back you don’t under any circumstances put it on target. It’s just so basic. Not as basic as a keeper staying between his posts. Every time I watch it it’s more obvious that Vik fucked up. He completely misjudged the long ball. It was never going to reach him. Gibson fucked up on several occasions yesterday but the goal is mainly on the keeper. Keepers don’t stay between the posts 🤣they come for stuff all the time. Should he have come for that? Probably not. Gibson should have just headed back the way it came. Again another basic. He didn’t check where the keeper was and then put it between the posts. It was shit defending from a shit defender. |
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Post by J-Roar on Nov 3, 2024 12:05:30 GMT
I hold my hands up. I cursed and bitched about him from minute one when he passed straight to their winger as he tried to play out. I slated him after the header for their goal. And told anyone who would listen (nobody as it happened) how he’s at the root of our problems. But…..in hindsight…. 1. He actually played alright. 2. It was completely and utterly Viks fault that they equalised. Was he on his way over to the dugout for a drink or something!!!??? 3. The winner after that = bollocks + desire and a healthy helping of character. So yeah. I’m not fully convinced but I was wrong today. The one thing with Vik is he does have a ricket in him with positioning every now and again. Remember that goal against West Brom where he got his positioning all wrong and the ball went over his head? Not to criticise him too much, he has been fantastic for us overall and we'd be in the bottom three without him. Maybe these occasional mistakes will make it easier to keep hold of him and keep the Premier League scouts away? Or maybe all keepers make mistakes. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 3, 2024 12:05:33 GMT
Not as basic as a keeper staying between his posts. Every time I watch it it’s more obvious that Vik fucked up. He completely misjudged the long ball. It was never going to reach him. Gibson fucked up on several occasions yesterday but the goal is mainly on the keeper. Keepers don’t stay between the posts 🤣they come for stuff all the time. Should he have come for that? Probably not. Gibson should have just headed back the way it came. Again another basic. He didn’t check where the keeper was and then put it between the posts. It was shit defending from a shit defender. Should he have come for that? Definitely not. The end. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 3, 2024 12:05:51 GMT
It’s poor from Gibson. But there’s no way he’s the one more at fault. He’s holding off a player and focused on getting to the ball. Vik is under zero pressure and just needs to position himself correctly. In fact he could get away with being slightly out of position easily. But he’s completely misjudged the flight of the ball and is so far out of position it’s nuts. Still think he’s a great keeper but this is on him. Definitely the keepers fault unless the defender is told or can see the keeper is in a different position the defender would expect the keeper to be on his line it's that simple, fans who are blaming Gibson are totally wrong, if you play football you realise this You should never expect anything. You check first. Expecting it was his first mistake. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 3, 2024 12:06:50 GMT
Keepers don’t stay between the posts 🤣they come for stuff all the time. Should he have come for that? Probably not. Gibson should have just headed back the way it came. Again another basic. He didn’t check where the keeper was and then put it between the posts. It was shit defending from a shit defender. Should he have come for that? Definitely not. The end. It’s not the end of it though is it. Gibson didn’t know where his keeper was and then played it between the posts. He made two basic mistakes. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 3, 2024 12:15:02 GMT
Should he have come for that? Definitely not. The end. It’s not the end of it though is it. Gibson didn’t know where his keeper was and then played it between the posts. He made two basic mistakes. 25,000 people in the ground didn’t know where the keeper was so he was hardly alone in that. Gibson was average at best yesterday and careless in possession on a couple of occasions. I don’t think he’s good enough if we’re serious about promotion. But the blame falls mainly on Vik for their goal. |
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Post by spoton on Nov 3, 2024 12:16:27 GMT
Definitely the keepers fault unless the defender is told or can see the keeper is in a different position the defender would expect the keeper to be on his line it's that simple, fans who are blaming Gibson are totally wrong, if you play football you realise this You should never expect anything. You check first. Expecting it was his first mistake. Definitely keepers fault he should have called he didn't 100% keepers fault |
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Post by Old School Stokie on Nov 3, 2024 12:16:40 GMT
Simple - look what you are doing at all times. Be aware of players around you including your own. Gibson totally at fault - did not check, headed too hard. The other point is with all the watering of the pitch it skims across the surface more than a dry pitch.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 3, 2024 12:18:05 GMT
It’s not the end of it though is it. Gibson didn’t know where his keeper was and then played it between the posts. He made two basic mistakes. 25,000 people in the ground didn’t know where the keeper was so he was hardly alone in that. Gibson was average at best yesterday and careless in possession on a couple of occasions. I don’t think he’s good enough if we’re serious about promotion. But the blame falls mainly on Vik for their goal. I knew where he was and was expecting Gibson to leave it based on that. Obviously if no shout was given then that isn’t going to happen. But Gibson should still know where he is and not play a pass blind especially if it’s towards our goal. It’s really bad defending. |
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Post by wonderwall on Nov 3, 2024 12:18:23 GMT
Yep was Vik fault for me.
Even when the goal when in you can see Gibson say “what was he doing” and he was right.
Vik was in no man’s land. He should have just stayed central in his box and this does not happen.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 3, 2024 12:18:50 GMT
You should never expect anything. You check first. Expecting it was his first mistake. Definitely keepers fault he should have called he didn't 100% keepers fault If you don’t know where your keeper is you don’t pass where you believe he should be. That’s just fucking thick. |
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Post by worcsstokie15 on Nov 3, 2024 12:32:24 GMT
Ben Gibson is a perfectly adequate centre half for our current status in the championship. The same people who are hammering him and calling all names under the sun are also the same people who say the same things about Rose and Wilmot.
Are any of them good enough for the PL or a top 6 championship team - well, no. But we aren’t that! We can’t even get into the top half of the league.
Also, he’s also only 31 so he’s not old. Fuck This obsession with youth for youths sake…!
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Post by chamberlain on Nov 3, 2024 12:39:08 GMT
Despite the mistake and no way was he solely to blame he kept his head up and got the winner. He was getting alot of shit off fans near me in block 39.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 3, 2024 12:41:14 GMT
Ben Gibson is a perfectly adequate centre half for our current status in the championship. The same people who are hammering him and calling all names under the sun are also the same people who say the same things about Rose and Wilmot. Are any of them good enough for the PL or a top 6 championship team - well, no. But we aren’t that! We can’t even get into the top half of the league. Also, he’s also only 31 so he’s not old. Fuck This obsession with youth for youths sake…! It’s not youth for youths sake. Our best centre half is an 18 year old. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 3, 2024 12:48:00 GMT
Thought he played some good long passes yesterday and got the winner. Own goal was typical us but we wrestled the result back. Much better from him overall.
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 3, 2024 12:49:50 GMT
He seems like a good egg but yesterday’s mistake wasn’t helped by the fact he made a real blooper in the previous game too where he slipped over v Sheff U for their second.
There’s no doubt he’s been a very good player however early signs are that he’s on the wain and that he’s very slow both physically and mentally.
Not sure why but as a captain I was expecting a player with more blood and thunder to his game.
That said great comeback in getting the winner which shows real character.
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Post by logdog on Nov 3, 2024 14:43:23 GMT
Definitely keepers fault he should have called he didn't 100% keepers fault If you don’t know where your keeper is you don’t pass where you believe he should be. That’s just fucking thick. If Vik has decided he’s going to go on a mad run out of his six yard box to catch the ball, he should be shouting & screaming at everyone in front of him what his intentions are. He obviously didn’t. Communication = basics. Love Vik but he dropped a bollock here. |
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Nov 3, 2024 14:58:05 GMT
The one thing with Vik is he does have a ricket in him with positioning every now and again. Remember that goal against West Brom where he got his positioning all wrong and the ball went over his head? Not to criticise him too much, he has been fantastic for us overall and we'd be in the bottom three without him. Maybe these occasional mistakes will make it easier to keep hold of him and keep the Premier League scouts away? Or maybe all keepers make mistakes. They do. He just seems to be prone to that sort of positioning mistake. |
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