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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 4, 2024 12:15:47 GMT
I'll be honest mate it's hard to tell when people are being sarcastic on this thread. YOU added the words 'in regards to Islam', which completely changed the meaning of his post. He didn't actually say that at all. Gawa was talking about different sects of Islam mate and Prestwich brought up Christian priests. If he was being sarcastic then as I say I missed it.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 4, 2024 12:18:57 GMT
YOU added the words 'in regards to Islam', which completely changed the meaning of his post. He didn't actually say that at all. Gawa was talking about different sects of Islam mate and Prestwich brought up Christian priests. If he was being sarcastic then as I say I missed it. Prestwich actually said "Enough of that nonsense". You said, Prestwich said "Enough of that nonsense, with regard to Islam".
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 4, 2024 12:23:29 GMT
YOU added the words 'in regards to Islam', which completely changed the meaning of his post. He didn't actually say that at all. Gawa was talking about different sects of Islam mate and Prestwich brought up Christian priests. If he was being sarcastic then as I say I missed it. I was. I'm a sarcastic prick mate, I will use an emoji next time........
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 4, 2024 12:27:19 GMT
Gawa was talking about different sects of Islam mate and Prestwich brought up Christian priests. If he was being sarcastic then as I say I missed it. I was. I'm a sarcastic prick mate, I will use an emoji next time........ As I said mate I missed the sarcasm.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 4, 2024 12:28:54 GMT
Gawa was talking about different sects of Islam mate and Prestwich brought up Christian priests. If he was being sarcastic then as I say I missed it. Prestwich actually said "Enough of that nonsense". You said, Prestwich said "Enough of that nonsense, with regard to Islam". Well as that was what Gawa was talking about mate then yes I took that to be the nonsense side of things.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 4, 2024 12:37:21 GMT
Prestwich actually said "Enough of that nonsense". You said, Prestwich said "Enough of that nonsense, with regard to Islam". Well as that was what Gawa was talking about mate then yes I took that to be the nonsense side of things. You might want to go back and read Gawa's post again, he was very clearly talking about extremism and Prestwich was agreeing with what his post was about. You either misunderstood or misrepresented their posts and as a result we ended up with ... From what I'm reading it is fine to condemn Christian paedophile priests (they should be condemned btw) but any talk of Islam is 'nonsense'. I think the issue is extremists which come in many forms and religions. You get zionist extremist, muslim extremist and even Christian extremists too in some of these cult like churches in America. I think there are also both fake actors as well as "influencers" across all religions which attempt to inflame tensions and stoke division too. When it comes to Islam I personally think shia Muslims tend to be alot more tolerant and aligned with our values than what sunni Muslims would be. With that said I'm sure both have moderates and extremists within them. If we focused more on who is shaking the jar then I think we'd get peace sooner. Not everyone who is campaigning against Zionist extremists or Muslim extremists has genuine intentions in my opinion.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 4, 2024 12:47:00 GMT
Well as that was what Gawa was talking about mate then yes I took that to be the nonsense side of things. You might want to go back and read Gawa's post again, he was very clearly talking about extremism and Prestwich was agreeing with what his post was about. You either misunderstood or misrepresented their posts and as a result we ended up with ... From what I'm reading it is fine to condemn Christian paedophile priests (they should be condemned btw) but any talk of Islam is 'nonsense'. I think the issue is extremists which come in many forms and religions. You get zionist extremist, muslim extremist and even Christian extremists too in some of these cult like churches in America. I think there are also both fake actors as well as "influencers" across all religions which attempt to inflame tensions and stoke division too. When it comes to Islam I personally think shia Muslims tend to be alot more tolerant and aligned with our values than what sunni Muslims would be. With that said I'm sure both have moderates and extremists within them. If we focused more on who is shaking the jar then I think we'd get peace sooner. Not everyone who is campaigning against Zionist extremists or Muslim extremists has genuine intentions in my opinion. You're right Paul.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 4, 2024 13:51:04 GMT
All words are made up. But they are made up for a reason - to clarify and enable rational debate. The term Islamaphobe does nor close down debate. It enables debate. Islamism is a political doctrine that sees the religion of Islam as being core to the political institutions of the state. It is not Islamaphobic to criticise the political doctrine of Islamism and there are many Muslim critics of Islamism in this country and around the world. However it is Islamophobic to project the atrocities of some Islamists onto the entire Muslim community and the term "Islamaphobia" is valid in that it describes a very specific phenomena in the real world in exactly the same way that homophobia describes a real world phenomena in relation to attitudes to homosexuality. The word is useful and has a very clear meaning and getting rid of the word doesn't get rid of the phenomena nor help rational debate. It's the supporters of Islamaphobia and racism in general who seek to fudge the debate by misusing and distorting words tobjustify their prejudices. They want to conflate words like Muslim and Islam with Islamism in order to associate specific issues with Islamism with all followers of Islam. That is exactly what the Twitter poster quoted earlier is doing when she posts things like "Islam is a death cult" and "Fuck Islam. Fuck Muslims". If you want a real world example of an Islamophobe that is it and whether you like the word or not it is an actial thing. Couldn't get though it all without nodding off. I've told you before you bore me.... So by "bore" you mean "exposed my argument to be badly thought out nonsense and as I've got no idea where to go with it I'll resort to petty insults in an attempt to save face"?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 4, 2024 16:44:49 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 4, 2024 16:56:42 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 4, 2024 17:07:00 GMT
You don't see any issue at all, with the way Paul Golding is deliberately conflating support for Palestinians with support for Hamas?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 4, 2024 17:09:32 GMT
You don't see any issue at all, with the way Paul Golding is deliberately conflating support for Palestinians with support for Hamas? No not in the slightest
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 4, 2024 17:12:49 GMT
You don't see any issue at all, with the way Paul Golding is deliberately conflating support for Palestinians with support for Hamas? No not in the slightest Wow. He's a convicted racist. And to believe that supporting Palestinians automatically equates to supporting Hamas, is both wrong and dangerous.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 4, 2024 17:17:45 GMT
What's your issue with this? Or is that, it isn't just extremists that you have an issue with but actually Muslims in general?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 4, 2024 17:19:10 GMT
Couldn't get though it all without nodding off. I've told you before you bore me.... So by "bore" you mean "exposed my argument to be badly thought out nonsense and as I've got no idea where to go with it I'll resort to petty insults in an attempt to save face"? No, I was talking to someone else and knew exactly where I was going with it. Then you interjected is what happened. I'm calling out the hypocrisy on here by certain posters who are perfectly happy to label a certain group of people as all being racist gammons because they attend a protest. And then accusing others who discuss issues with Islam and the free Palestine protests as being racists and stereotyping all Muslims. Its totally hypocritical. And that's a fact. I've seen it with my own eyes on here. And the amusing thing is they're oblivious to the fact gammon is in fact a racist and derogatory term. Unsurprisingly really because very few people call it out. Its kind of a creeping acceptance in our society that certain groups of white people don't matter. Not saying you're doing this as I haven't followed your posts but there are several posters on here doing just that. I just find some of your replies to me boring. But point taken if you see it as an insult I'll stop saying your posts are boring. I'm half on the wind up anyway..👍 Anyway hopefully I haven't bored you, but feel free to take a shot back. I'm a big lad I can take it 😉
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 4, 2024 17:32:38 GMT
Wow. He's a convicted racist. And to believe that supporting Palestinians automatically equates to supporting Hamas, is both wrong and dangerous. You and I both know that most do
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 4, 2024 17:32:58 GMT
What's your issue with this? Or is that, it isn't just extremists that you have an issue with but actually Muslims in general? On the other side of the coin mate shouldn't the man in the video be appealing to people of all backgrounds and religions to be voting for the candidate.
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Post by milton58 on Jun 4, 2024 17:38:07 GMT
I wonder how many who support islam are racists or is it just white people who are labelled as racists
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 4, 2024 17:38:51 GMT
Wow. He's a convicted racist. And to believe that supporting Palestinians automatically equates to supporting Hamas, is both wrong and dangerous. You and I both know that most do Most who? You obviously but who else is 'most'?
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Post by milton58 on Jun 4, 2024 17:41:49 GMT
You and I both know that most do Most who? You obviously but who else is 'most'? why do you always answer a post with a question you seem to do it alot...it's like a deflection from you
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 4, 2024 17:42:03 GMT
You and I both know that most do Most who? You obviously but who else is 'most'? You know what I’m on about so don’t be so pedantic
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 4, 2024 17:43:37 GMT
What's your issue with this? Or is that, it isn't just extremists that you have an issue with but actually Muslims in general? On the other side of the coin mate shouldn't the man in the video be appealing to people of all backgrounds and religions to be voting for the candidate. That's a good point mate, democracy shouldn't be defined by religion, you are right. I stand corrected.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 4, 2024 17:44:47 GMT
Most who? You obviously but who else is 'most'? why do you always answer a post with a question you seem to do it alot...it's like a deflection from you That's a rather ironic post if you don't mind me saying so. And woo, no question either!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 4, 2024 17:46:38 GMT
Most who? You obviously but who else is 'most'? You know what I’m on about so don’t be so pedantic I'm not being pedantic, I genuinely don't know what you're referring to. 'Most' could mean absolutely anything, most of who? Is it a problem to explain what you mean?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 4, 2024 17:49:30 GMT
You know what I’m on about so don’t be so pedantic I'm not being pedantic, I genuinely don't know what you're referring to. 'Most' could mean absolutely anything, most of what? Is it a problem to explain who you mean? Palestinians supporting Hamas but you knew that
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 4, 2024 18:01:11 GMT
I'm not being pedantic, I genuinely don't know what you're referring to. 'Most' could mean absolutely anything, most of what? Is it a problem to explain who you mean? Palestinians supporting Hamas but you knew that I genuinely hadn't got a clue and now I see why, you've completely gone off at a tangent from the question I asked. Which was ... "You don't see any issue at all, with the way Paul Golding is deliberately conflating support for Palestinians with support for Hamas?" IE. by supporting Palestinians that then means that you also automatically support Hamas. They were saying that they weren't going to vote Labour unless Labour supported Palestine. I've voted Labour all my life but I'm not going to vote for them at this election because of how they've behaved over Palestine. This doesn't mean that I then support Hamas. Paul Golding (I can't believe you're okay posting tweets by a bloke who has been sent to prison for his racism but still) is wrong to conflate supporting Palestine with supporting Hamas, which is exactly what he did, in the tweet that you posted. He was suggesting that if Labour supported Palestine that would then equate to them supporting Hamas.
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Post by milton58 on Jun 4, 2024 18:04:07 GMT
why do you always answer a post with a question you seem to do it alot...it's like a deflection from you That's a rather ironic post if you don't mind me saying so. And woo, no question either! leave that to you duck
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 4, 2024 18:09:14 GMT
Palestinians supporting Hamas but you knew that I genuinely hadn't got a clue and now I see why, you've completely gone off at a tangent from the question I asked. Which was ... "You don't see any issue at all, with the way Paul Golding is deliberately conflating support for Palestinians with support for Hamas?" IE. by supporting Palestinians that then means that you also automatically support Hamas. They were saying that they weren't going to vote Labour unless Labour supported Palestine. I've voted Labour all my life but I'm not going to vote for them at this election because of how they've behaved over Palestine. This doesn't mean that I then support Hamas. Paul Golding (I can't believe you're okay posting tweets by a bloke who has been sent to prison for his racism but still) is wrong to conflate supporting Palestine with supporting Hamas, which is exactly what he did, in the tweet that you posted. He was suggesting that if Labour supported Palestine that would then equate to them supporting Hamas. Now you’re just waffling
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 4, 2024 18:18:12 GMT
I genuinely hadn't got a clue and now I see why, you've completely gone off at a tangent from the question I asked. Which was ... "You don't see any issue at all, with the way Paul Golding is deliberately conflating support for Palestinians with support for Hamas?" IE. by supporting Palestinians that then means that you also automatically support Hamas. They were saying that they weren't going to vote Labour unless Labour supported Palestine. I've voted Labour all my life but I'm not going to vote for them at this election because of how they've behaved over Palestine. This doesn't mean that I then support Hamas. Paul Golding (I can't believe you're okay posting tweets by a bloke who has been sent to prison for his racism but still) is wrong to conflate supporting Palestine with supporting Hamas, which is exactly what he did, in the tweet that you posted. He was suggesting that if Labour supported Palestine that would then equate to them supporting Hamas. Now you’re just waffling Fair enough, if you still don't understand, I'm not sure how better to explain it.
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Post by metalhead on Jun 4, 2024 19:08:43 GMT
You may be right but so long as they AREN'T racist in their criticisms, I don't think anybody should worry about criticising any religion. Yes, Robinson is a nasty piece of work. Why do you think so many folk turned out last Saturday then Paul and will do on July 27th? All racists? The football lads? Or just ordinary every day people in this country that have had enough of illegal immigrants,the Met Police and many other issues that nobody seems to want to talk about or do anything about? Just ordinary folk eh.... I mean, like half of this forum then? Even the lefties who you're probably not that keen on.
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