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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 4, 2024 11:11:00 GMT
Your posts are amusing because Yaxley - Lennon (that's his real name by the way) is a far right, racist grifter with a massive cocaine habit to fund..and you and a few more on here seem to be defending him. Do you and your mates donate to his "fighting fund"? The irony in that post 🤣from the biggest bore on the board who’s apparently is never wrong I'm wrong quite often to be fair and will own/up apologise if I am. Are you going to answer the question or are you Knype in disguise?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 4, 2024 11:12:05 GMT
It was not a protest organised by ordinary everyday people was it - it was organised by Yaxley-Lennon (a known Islamaphobic provoceteur) and attended by people with a history of football related violence (https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/far-right-protest-london-counter-march-mark-rowley/). The whole ordinary people bollocks is just far right propaganda designed to normalise Islamaphobia. That post you shared by the clearly Islamophobic English.Female1 is a clear example of this. The question you need to ask yourself is whether you have been suckered into believing their propaganda or are actively propagating it. I believe that a vast majority of people were/are ordinary folk so we’ll agree to differ on that point So the protest at the weekend was spontaneously organised by ordinary people and not Yaxley-Lennon and his supporters? That simply isn't true is it.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 4, 2024 11:17:01 GMT
Correct. But its easy to hide behind the made up term islamaphobe and shout racism to close the arguement. Useful idiots is the term im hearing in my head... All words are made up. But they are made up for a reason - to clarify and enable rational debate. The term Islamaphobe does nor close down debate. It enables debate. Islamism is a political doctrine that sees the religion of Islam as being core to the political institutions of the state. It is not Islamaphobic to criticise the political doctrine of Islamism and there are many Muslim critics of Islamism in this country and around the world. However it is Islamophobic to project the atrocities of some Islamists onto the entire Muslim community and the term "Islamaphobia" is valid in that it describes a very specific phenomena in the real world in exactly the same way that homophobia describes a real world phenomena in relation to attitudes to homosexuality. The word is useful and has a very clear meaning and getting rid of the word doesn't get rid of the phenomena nor help rational debate. It's the supporters of Islamaphobia and racism in general who seek to fudge the debate by misusing and distorting words tobjustify their prejudices. They want to conflate words like Muslim and Islam with Islamism in order to associate specific issues with Islamism with all followers of Islam. That is exactly what the Twitter poster quoted earlier is doing when she posts things like "Islam is a death cult" and "Fuck Islam. Fuck Muslims". If you want a real world example of an Islamophobe that is it and whether you like the word or not it is an actial thing. Couldn't get though it all without nodding off. I've told you before you bore me....
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 4, 2024 11:17:33 GMT
When you say so many, we're talking about 5 or 6,000 aren't we? I'm not sure that those sort of numbers constitute any significant reflection of much to be fair, I dunno, it's a hard question to address, how many were you expecting? Were they ALL racists? Of course not, were there racists in attendance? Without a shadow of a doubt, the key note speakers are racists, Islamapohobic banners were on display and there was racist chanting, what percentage of the crowd were racists? I obviously could have no idea. Yep there were definitely football lads there. No doubt that there were just ordinary everyday people there to. By that rationale there must have been racists in attendance at all the other recent protests and marches 🤷 Probably even more given the disparity in attendance. Has anybody suggested differently? I just answered crouchpotato's (very specific) questions.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 4, 2024 11:28:45 GMT
Correct. But its easy to hide behind the made up term islamaphobe and shout racism to close the arguement. Useful idiots is the term im hearing in my head... From what I'm reading it is fine to condemn Christian paedophile priests (they should be condemned btw) but any talk of Islam is 'nonsense'. Just to be clear (we went through this last night and you said that you weren't and I ended up apologising to you), you're not talking about people on here are you?
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 4, 2024 11:34:18 GMT
From what I'm reading it is fine to condemn Christian paedophile priests (they should be condemned btw) but any talk of Islam is 'nonsense'. Just to be clear (we went through this last night and you said that you weren't and I ended up apologising to you), you're not talking about people on here are you? Not people mate no.
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Post by musik on Jun 4, 2024 11:35:45 GMT
Definitely. And that's perhaps why our third largest political party in Sweden suggested nothing but christianity should be allowed. It's the mix that leads to conflict. Because Christian on Christian violence has never been seen in history 😂 Correct. If they have the same interpretation, they meant.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 4, 2024 11:38:28 GMT
Just to be clear (we went through this last night and you said that you weren't and I ended up apologising to you), you're not talking about people on here are you? Not people mate no. What do you mean by 'people' in this context? I don't understand why you simply didn't say 'no'. 🤔
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 4, 2024 11:41:01 GMT
What do you mean by 'people' in this context? I don't understand why you simply didn't say 'no'. 🤔 Because only one person brought up Christian priests mate whilst saying the rest was nonsense.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 4, 2024 11:44:44 GMT
What do you mean by 'people' in this context? I don't understand why you simply didn't say 'no'. 🤔 Because only one person brought up Christian priests mate whilst saying the rest was nonsense. So where had Prestwich Potter condemned people for criticising Islam?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 4, 2024 11:45:05 GMT
By that rationale there must have been racists in attendance at all the other recent protests and marches 🤷 Probably even more given the disparity in attendance. Has anybody suggested differently? I just answered crouchpotato's (very specific) questions. It needs calling out equally. I've got Prestwich on here thinking its funny to laugh about discrimination of white people. Even sending memes about it. Yet woe betide anything is said that might stereotype others of a different race. Its a joke pal..hypocrisy of the highest order.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 4, 2024 11:45:22 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 4, 2024 11:45:55 GMT
Has anybody suggested differently? I just answered crouchpotato's (very specific) questions. It needs calling out equally. I've got Prestwich on here thinking its funny to laugh about discrimination of white people. Even sending memes about it. Yet woe betide anything is said that might stereotype others of a different race. Its a joke pal..hypocrisy of the highest order. Took you a while mate😉
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Post by gawa on Jun 4, 2024 11:46:40 GMT
I don't believe they're the jar shakers at all. The media would disagree. As the coverage of various protests has shown all too clearly. I post about the problem of islamists on hear and not a squeek. Mention white middle aged men being discriminated against and hey presto a useful idiot appears. Quite sad how blatant it is really.. Well I've been getting called antisemetic in another thread for my views too this past week. And I've had some of those who support said protest at the weekend label myself and others as antisemetic over the last few years. I think crouchpotato and knype quite regularly call those marching against what's happening in Gaza hate marchers too. That's just as blatant in my opinion. I don't think either group are shaking the jar though.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 4, 2024 11:48:45 GMT
Has anybody suggested differently? I just answered crouchpotato's (very specific) questions. It needs calling out equally. I've got Prestwich on here thinking its funny to laugh about discrimination of white people. Even sending memes about it. Yet woe betide anything is said that might stereotype others of a different race. Its a joke pal..hypocrisy of the highest order. Hang on a sec. Crouchpotato asked me some very specific questions and i simply answered them. Was I supposed to add something more?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 4, 2024 11:50:22 GMT
Has anybody suggested differently? I just answered crouchpotato's (very specific) questions. It needs calling out equally. I've got Prestwich on here thinking its funny to laugh about discrimination of white people. Even sending memes about it. Yet woe betide anything is said that might stereotype others of a different race. Its a joke pal..hypocrisy of the highest order. I laughed at the fact that white middle aged men were the most discriminated people in the country, because it's laughable bollocks in my opinion. And I say that as white middle aged man so I'm using my lived experience to help come to that conclusion. Other people are entitled to their views. And I've already said that extremist views whatever the religion - Islam included - should be called out for what they are. But I disagree fundamentally that moderate law abide Muslims just quietly living their lives should comment on/or call out other Muslims with extreme views or behaviour. Why the hell should they? Hence why I used the Christian paedophile priest analogy........
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Post by Veritas on Jun 4, 2024 11:50:34 GMT
Has anybody suggested differently? I just answered crouchpotato's (very specific) questions. It needs calling out equally. I've got Prestwich on here thinking its funny to laugh about discrimination of white people. Even sending memes about it. Yet woe betide anything is said that might stereotype others of a different race. Its a joke pal..hypocrisy of the highest order. So to clarify, do you think it is fair to stereotype any group racial or otherwise?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 4, 2024 11:51:31 GMT
It needs calling out equally. I've got Prestwich on here thinking its funny to laugh about discrimination of white people. Even sending memes about it. Yet woe betide anything is said that might stereotype others of a different race. Its a joke pal..hypocrisy of the highest order. Hang on a sec. Crouchpotato asked me some very specific questions and i simply answered them. Was I supposed to add something more? No. I was just highlighting the hypocrisy of some on here. And generally in our society. I think you're reasonably balanced on such matters in actual fact..
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 4, 2024 11:51:59 GMT
Because only one person brought up Christian priests mate whilst saying the rest was nonsense. So where had Prestwich Potter condemned people for criticising Islam? He mentioned Christian paedophile priests and said enough of that nonsense in regards to Islam. Not condemning exactly but brushing it off as nonsense.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 4, 2024 11:55:09 GMT
So where had Prestwich Potter condemned people for criticising Islam? He mentioned Christian paedophile priests and said enough of that nonsense in regards to Islam. Not condemning exactly but brushing it off as nonsense. So you've already reigned in your original accusation. See my response to mickeythemaestro above...........
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 4, 2024 11:56:19 GMT
It needs calling out equally. I've got Prestwich on here thinking its funny to laugh about discrimination of white people. Even sending memes about it. Yet woe betide anything is said that might stereotype others of a different race. Its a joke pal..hypocrisy of the highest order. I laughed at the fact that white middle aged men were the most discriminated people in the country, because it's laughable bollocks in my opinion. Other people are entitled to their views. And I've already said that extremist views whatever the religion - Islam included - should be called out for what they are. But I disagree fundamentally that moderate law abide Muslims just quietly living their lives should comment on/or call out other Muslims with extreme views or behaviour. Why the hell should they? Hence why I used the Christian paedophile priest analogy........ Everybody including peace loving Muslims should call it out. Just as we call out scum bags like Tommy Yaxley Lennon and his type. The media make a sport of it.. People are getting sick to the back teeth of it and the ease with which people can laugh at the plight of hard up white people who are battling to get on in the world. Privileged a lot of them are apparently..
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 4, 2024 11:57:54 GMT
He mentioned Christian paedophile priests and said enough of that nonsense in regards to Islam. Not condemning exactly but brushing it off as nonsense. So you've already reigned in your original accusation. See my response to mickeythemaestro above........... Read my original post mate please. Paul failed to quite obviously but what I said is it's ok to condemn Christian paedophile priests (they should be condemned) but any talk of Islam is brushed of as nonsense. I didn't say you condemned anyone 👍
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 4, 2024 11:59:14 GMT
So where had Prestwich Potter condemned people for criticising Islam? He mentioned Christian paedophile priests and said enough of that nonsense in regards to Islam. Not condemning exactly but brushing it off as nonsense. You're totally misrepresenting his post. The 'enough of that nonsense' is a sarcastic remark to Gawa to stop talking SENSE ... that being, the issue that needs to be addressed is extremism. And the paedophile priests element of the comment, is suggesting that rather than tarring a whole religion, we should focus on those small elements that are the actual issue.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 4, 2024 12:02:12 GMT
So you've already reigned in your original accusation. See my response to mickeythemaestro above........... Read my original post mate please. Paul failed to quite obviously but what I said is it's ok to condemn Christian paedophile priests (they should be condemned) but any talk of Islam is brushed of as nonsense. I didn't say you condemned anyone 👍 That's extremely disingenuous of you, see my post above.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 4, 2024 12:05:52 GMT
I laughed at the fact that white middle aged men were the most discriminated people in the country, because it's laughable bollocks in my opinion. Other people are entitled to their views. And I've already said that extremist views whatever the religion - Islam included - should be called out for what they are. But I disagree fundamentally that moderate law abide Muslims just quietly living their lives should comment on/or call out other Muslims with extreme views or behaviour. Why the hell should they? Hence why I used the Christian paedophile priest analogy........ Everybody including peace loving Muslims should call it out. Just as we call out scum bags like Tommy Yaxley Lennon and his type. The media make a sport of it.. People are getting sick to the back teeth of it and the ease with which people can laugh at the plight of hard up white people who are battling to get on in the world. Privileged a lot of them are apparently.. Why would I laugh at hard up white people? Poverty and hardship knows no colour, if I'm a working class man in a low paid job I have more in common with a Somali taxi driver or a Syrian factory worker then I do Nigel Farage, Tommy Robinson or Rishi Sunak. Islamic extremism is an issue as is every other form of extremism, but this whole culture war bollocks detracts from the fact that a decade of austerity and the ruling classes pissing on us from a great height is the main contributor to where we are today.......
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 4, 2024 12:08:26 GMT
He mentioned Christian paedophile priests and said enough of that nonsense in regards to Islam. Not condemning exactly but brushing it off as nonsense. You're totally misrepresenting his post. The 'enough of that nonsense' is a sarcastic remark to Gawa to stop talking SENSE ... that being, the issue that needs to be addressed is extremism. And the paedophile priests element of the comment, is suggesting that rather than tarring a whole religion, we should focus on those small elements that are the actual issue. Which is what the majority of people are protesting and speaking out against. The extremists who don't want to live peacefully. Not everyone who disagrees with Islam as a religion or any other religion is a racist. I think most people just want to feel safe.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 4, 2024 12:10:07 GMT
You're totally misrepresenting his post. The 'enough of that nonsense' is a sarcastic remark to Gawa to stop talking SENSE ... that being, the issue that needs to be addressed is extremism. And the paedophile priests element of the comment, is suggesting that rather than tarring a whole religion, we should focus on those small elements that are the actual issue. Which is what the majority of people are protesting and speaking out against. The extremists who don't want to live peacefully. Not everyone who disagrees with Islam as a religion or any other religion is a racist. I think most people just want to feel safe. So why misrepresent his post then?
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 4, 2024 12:10:45 GMT
Read my original post mate please. Paul failed to quite obviously but what I said is it's ok to condemn Christian paedophile priests (they should be condemned) but any talk of Islam is brushed of as nonsense. I didn't say you condemned anyone 👍 That's extremely disingenuous of you, see my post above. I'll be honest mate it's hard to tell when people are being sarcastic on this thread.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 4, 2024 12:12:12 GMT
Which is what the majority of people are protesting and speaking out against. The extremists who don't want to live peacefully. Not everyone who disagrees with Islam as a religion or any other religion is a racist. I think most people just want to feel safe. So why misrepresent his post then? I read his post for what it was and I didn't misrepresent anything. If Prestwich was being sarcastic then I missed it.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 4, 2024 12:13:50 GMT
That's extremely disingenuous of you, see my post above. I'll be honest mate it's hard to tell when people are being sarcastic on this thread. YOU added the words 'in regards to Islam', which completely changed the meaning of his post. He didn't actually say that at all.
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