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Post by nottsover60 on May 27, 2024 23:24:51 GMT
If we only had the choice of Mmaee or Campbell,I would go for Campbell,hopefully we can bring in someone who is better than both. We haven't got that choice Campbell has gone so it's Mmaee or one of the young lads atm. EDIT or Ennis who I momentarily forgot.
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Post by GrahamHyde on May 27, 2024 23:37:23 GMT
I like him personally, provided he wants to put the effort in I hope we keep hold of him.
Was sidelined for a lot of last season though so need to get more games out of him than we have done.
Feel he'd link up well with Junho and Manhoef - that first half against West Brom was a joy to watch.
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Post by andystokey on May 28, 2024 6:21:39 GMT
I think after he came in from the cold and just before that last injury he looked better. I clearly had started to realise the physicality required and was on the half turn much more. It could go either way for me. If his head it at it he could easily get 10 if not he will drift out of the squad.
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Post by Gods on May 28, 2024 6:44:01 GMT
I think after he came in from the cold and just before that last injury he looked better. I clearly had started to realise the physicality required and was on the half turn much more. It could go either way for me. If his head it at it he could easily get 10 if not he will drift out of the squad. Yes, I think there's a footballer in there trying to escape. Knowing our luck it will go the second of the two ways you describe!
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Post by LGH87 on May 28, 2024 6:58:20 GMT
I think after he came in from the cold and just before that last injury he looked better. I clearly had started to realise the physicality required and was on the half turn much more. It could go either way for me. If his head it at it he could easily get 10 if not he will drift out of the squad. The way in which we played those last 3/4 games, scoring goals for fun and creating even more chances would've been really interesting to see how he got on. I think there's a chance he could've notched 2/3 in those games.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 28, 2024 7:16:09 GMT
I keep forgetting we have Ennis.
He’ll surely be hawked around league one to see if anyone is daft enough to take him?
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Post by baconburger on May 28, 2024 7:20:30 GMT
I keep forgetting we have Ennis. He’ll surely be hawked around league one to see if anyone is daft enough to take him? I doubt we’ll be hawking any of our senior CF’s around anywhere. How many do you think we’re going to buy in one window?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 28, 2024 7:21:21 GMT
I keep forgetting we have Ennis. He’ll surely be hawked around league one to see if anyone is daft enough to take him? I doubt we’ll be hawking any of our senior CF’s around anywhere. How many do you think we’re going to buy in one window? One. New striker, Mmaee and Tezgel is plenty for one place up front.
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Post by baconburger on May 28, 2024 7:31:33 GMT
I doubt we’ll be hawking any of our senior CF’s around anywhere. How many do you think we’re going to buy in one window? One. New striker, Mmaee and Tezgel is plenty for one place up front. It would be much better for Tezgel to go out on loan and get regular minutes than sit on the bench getting splinters in his arse for the vast majority of the season. Ennis is fine for that job. I really don’t like Mmaee’s game but again he’s fine for first change unless you primarily want energy and nuciance value then you use Ennis instead he’ll hardly play. 1 marquee CF signing just got to hope we get it right.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 28, 2024 7:33:12 GMT
One. New striker, Mmaee and Tezgel is plenty for one place up front. It would be much better for Tezgel to go out on loan and get regular minutes than sit on the bench getting splinters in his arse for the vast majority of the season. Ennis is fine for that job. I really don’t like Mmaee’s game but again he’s fine for first change unless you primarily want energy and nuciance value then you use Ennis instead he’ll hardly play. 1 marquee CF signing just got to hope we get it right. I disagree and I think he’d get plenty of playing time or should do. Ennis is fucking awful.
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Post by baconburger on May 28, 2024 7:46:20 GMT
It would be much better for Tezgel to go out on loan and get regular minutes than sit on the bench getting splinters in his arse for the vast majority of the season. Ennis is fine for that job. I really don’t like Mmaee’s game but again he’s fine for first change unless you primarily want energy and nuciance value then you use Ennis instead he’ll hardly play. 1 marquee CF signing just got to hope we get it right. I disagree and I think he’d get plenty of playing time or should do. Ennis is fucking awful. Your 3rd choice CF is never going to get plenty of playing time unless you have an injury crisis. Tezgel wasn’t even a guaranteed starter in league 2. You’re doing what you always do and imagining these youth products are ready to play at this level without any evidence other than what you’ve dreamed up. Tezgel would be better off having a season on loan back in league 2 if he plays and scores regularly maybe look to shift him to a league 1 club in January. It’s like saying last season was good for Lowe’s development. He looked lost and ineffective and would have been far better off playing regularly at a lower level.
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Post by headsgoup on May 28, 2024 7:52:07 GMT
If we're planning to play 433, a fit Mmaee might do.
If we're using 4231, no chance, he's not physical enough.
I think Million, Bae and Burger of he stays better suit 4231, and I'd be building around them rather than him.
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Post by baconburger on May 28, 2024 7:57:40 GMT
If we're planning to play 433, a fit Mmaee might do. If we're using 4231, no chance, he's not physical enough. I think Million, Bae and Burger of he stays better suit 4231, and I'd be building around them rather than him. Don’t see any logic there both systems use 1 central striker. The personnel would be almost exactly the same only difference really would be 2 deeplying midfielder or Schu’s preferred 1.
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Post by headsgoup on May 28, 2024 13:49:01 GMT
If we're planning to play 433, a fit Mmaee might do. If we're using 4231, no chance, he's not physical enough. I think Million, Bae and Burger of he stays better suit 4231, and I'd be building around them rather than him. Don’t see any logic there both systems use 1 central striker. The personnel would be almost exactly the same only difference really would be 2 deeplying midfielder or Schu’s preferred 1. I don't see the centre point of 433 to be a striker really. I've never seen a game where they can focus on just that - not at Championship level, at least. They need to be more of an all-round athlete, capable of creating and finishing. It's quite a dull formation to watch, I find, as the central forward often has too much to do. 4231 you need to be strong and a natural finisher, a more traditional centre forward. In this role, creativity comes from the three behind you. Mmaee is closer to the first than the second for me, but probably not good enough for the starting role in either.
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Post by baconburger on May 28, 2024 14:27:58 GMT
Don’t see any logic there both systems use 1 central striker. The personnel would be almost exactly the same only difference really would be 2 deeplying midfielder or Schu’s preferred 1. I don't see the centre point of 433 to be a striker really. I've never seen a game where they can focus on just that - not at Championship level, at least. They need to be more of an all-round athlete, capable of creating and finishing. It's quite a dull formation to watch, I find, as the central forward often has too much to do. 4231 you need to be strong and a natural finisher, a more traditional centre forward. In this role, creativity comes from the three behind you. Mmaee is closer to the first than the second for me, but probably not good enough for the starting role in either. All formations can be dull or exciting depending on how the coach deploys them. As I said there isn't a massive difference in the roles between the two formations you're discussing, the main difference is the midfield roles 4231 is 2x6's and a 10 in modern speak as opposed to 1x6 and 2x8's that Schu wants to play and he'll call it 433. The former gives you a solider defensive foundation and the No10 more freedom. The latter requires very athletic midfielders. Sorry but imo any difference in the CF role is all in your mind.
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Post by emretezzy on May 29, 2024 10:24:29 GMT
The only issue with Maee for me was/is the fee.
I don't see any clubs stumping up the millions to just balance the books. A loan with all wages paid may be an option.
I'd give him a full pre season and a good go next year with Million and Bae.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 29, 2024 10:46:03 GMT
If we're planning to play 433, a fit Mmaee might do. If we're using 4231, no chance, he's not physical enough. I think Million, Bae and Burger of he stays better suit 4231, and I'd be building around them rather than him. Don’t see any logic there both systems use 1 central striker. The personnel would be almost exactly the same only difference really would be 2 deeplying midfielder or Schu’s preferred 1. In a 4231 the central striker is there as an outlet who brings in the players behind them - they tend to play with their backs to the goal and as the poster says they need a physical presence, The central striker in a 433 (at least with tucked in wide strikers rather than wingers) plays facing the goal alongside the other two strikers - their game is more about quick interchanges where speed and intelligent positioning is more important than physicality. I think the poster is correct - they may be central strikers but the expectations are different.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on May 29, 2024 11:11:46 GMT
It would be much better for Tezgel to go out on loan and get regular minutes than sit on the bench getting splinters in his arse for the vast majority of the season. Ennis is fine for that job. I really don’t like Mmaee’s game but again he’s fine for first change unless you primarily want energy and nuciance value then you use Ennis instead he’ll hardly play. 1 marquee CF signing just got to hope we get it right. I disagree and I think he’d get plenty of playing time or should do. Ennis is fucking awful. Schumacher paid money to bring him in based on his previous experience with him. He's not going to admit he made a mistake and get rid of him is he? He'll be here next season but as a third choice behind new striker and Mmaee.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 29, 2024 11:18:57 GMT
I'm not really fussed about Mmaee. At the minute we need him because he is our only credible senior striker. However, if we get at least one striker in (two in an ideal world) and we can get some of our money back, I'd sell him in a shot.
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Post by lordb on May 29, 2024 11:22:05 GMT
The only issue with Maee for me was/is the fee. I don't see any clubs stumping up the millions to just balance the books. A loan with all wages paid may be an option. I'd give him a full pre season and a good go next year with Million and Bae. It was a low fee though less than £2m for a striker, you'd struggle to find one that cheap £1.5m fee or so would balance the books re FFP
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Post by gingerninja on May 29, 2024 11:46:18 GMT
Ennis is a league 1 player at best, don't think he can or would be able to make the step up, certainly for us to be a top 10, potentially top 6 team. Certainly need 2 strikers, SS in his end of season sentinel piece , endorsed that our big problem, is scoring enough goals. He like us, seems to indicate that is an area he will improve.
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Post by baconburger on May 29, 2024 16:10:39 GMT
Don’t see any logic there both systems use 1 central striker. The personnel would be almost exactly the same only difference really would be 2 deeplying midfielder or Schu’s preferred 1. In a 4231 the central striker is there as an outlet who brings in the players behind them - they tend to play with their backs to the goal and as the poster says they need a physical presence, The central striker in a 433 (at least with tucked in wide strikers rather than wingers) plays facing the goal alongside the other two strikers - their game is more about quick interchanges where speed and intelligent positioning is more important than physicality. I think the poster is correct - they may be central strikers but the expectations are different. Very few teams play what they call 433 with three proper forwards and the 1 CF is normally quite isolated as you’re describing with 4231. Same with us Schu might call it 433 but Junho and Million aren’t playing like forwards they’re far more like midfielders. It would be extremely easy and perhaps more honest to describe both formations as 451 in the hands of the vast majority of coaches who aren’t name Klopp.
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Post by emretezzy on May 29, 2024 16:23:26 GMT
The only issue with Maee for me was/is the fee. I don't see any clubs stumping up the millions to just balance the books. A loan with all wages paid may be an option. I'd give him a full pre season and a good go next year with Million and Bae. It was a low fee though less than £2m for a striker, you'd struggle to find one that cheap £1.5m fee or so would balance the books re FFP Who's paying 1.5m? Disciplinary issues, Attitude questions. Seems a big ask to me.
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Post by emretezzy on May 29, 2024 16:24:38 GMT
The only issue with Maee for me was/is the fee. I don't see any clubs stumping up the millions to just balance the books. A loan with all wages paid may be an option. I'd give him a full pre season and a good go next year with Million and Bae. It was a low fee though less than £2m for a striker, you'd struggle to find one that cheap £1.5m fee or so would balance the books re FFP Also I had the fee at 4m Euros. 3.7ish.
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Post by baconburger on May 29, 2024 16:30:48 GMT
It was a low fee though less than £2m for a striker, you'd struggle to find one that cheap £1.5m fee or so would balance the books re FFP Also I had the fee at 4m Euros. 3.7ish. It was €2M up front with a possible €2M in add ons. I’d hope to god non of the add ons have been triggered. Pretty sure I’ve posted a link to an article explaining the fee previously. Had a busy day so can’t be arsed to find it again. Can’t remember the contract length but it could be €1.5M left on the books if it was 4 years. I can’t stand him as a player but I just can’t see us signing enough CF’s to let him go.
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Post by monsoonmoon on May 31, 2024 11:52:54 GMT
For me, Mmaee's best position seems to be a deep-lying forward. I know it's only one game, but against Blues away he dropped off into intelligent space, meaning defenders followed him in and left gaps for runners from wide or deeper to exploit. His performance in that game really gave me hope that under Schumacher he was going to kick on. Fast-forward and add Manhoef and Bae playing the inverted roles they finished the season in, along with talk of an attacking full-back in McCallum and Tchamadeu, he could potentially knit things together pretty well imo if he was used in that withdrawn role with those type of players bombing on.
For balance, you'd want a better goals return regardless and it's a worry how frequently he picks up injuries.
As for his attitude, it got called out and he seemingly knuckled down and get back in to the side. Plenty of suitors may see the positive side of that. The negative could well be put down to circumstances...
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Post by RF10 on May 31, 2024 12:15:48 GMT
I keep forgetting we have Ennis. He’ll surely be hawked around league one to see if anyone is daft enough to take him? I can see him being used as bench option to come in and to chase down opposition when defending a lead. I can't think anything else he's useful for.
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Post by canadianmoose on May 31, 2024 12:20:30 GMT
Ennis was clearly brought in because he was available and cheap when we were very short on numbers up front. Anybody who thinks he is any kind of long term option in the eyes of the manager should have a rethink.
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Post by skiptomylou on May 31, 2024 12:24:15 GMT
For me, Mmaee's best position seems to be a deep-lying forward. I know it's only one game, but against Blues away he dropped off into intelligent space, meaning defenders followed him in and left gaps for runners from wide or deeper to exploit. His performance in that game really gave me hope that under Schumacher he was going to kick on. Fast-forward and add Manhoef and Bae playing the inverted roles they finished the season in, along with talk of an attacking full-back in McCallum and Tchamadeu, he could potentially knit things together pretty well imo if he was used in that withdrawn role with those type of players bombing on. For balance, you'd want a better goals return regardless and it's a worry how frequently he picks up injuries. As for his attitude, it got called out and he seemingly knuckled down and get back in to the side. Plenty of suitors may see the positive side of that. The negative could well be put down to circumstances... I've said this myself. He's a much more intelligent footballer than people give him credit for. Undoubtedly a questionable attitude (hopefully SS has put him in his place on this) He'd thrive with a proper No9 Infront of him and two intelligent talents at the side on Bae and Manhoef!
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Post by thornestein on May 31, 2024 15:48:10 GMT
Ennis was clearly brought in because he was available and cheap when we were very short on numbers up front. Anybody who thinks he is any kind of long term option in the eyes of the manager should have a rethink. then why we stuck with him for the next two seasons , a waste of wage and taking a squad place
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