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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jul 6, 2024 10:18:25 GMT
James Timpson, chair of Prison Reform Trust, now prisons minister. It's as if the new government want to give jobs to people who know what they're doing. Well up for this. Disappointed that they didn't make him 'Minister of Shoes' 😐 And keys? 2 for the price 1 given there's not much money about.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 6, 2024 10:26:41 GMT
James Timpson, chair of Prison Reform Trust, now prisons minister. It's as if the new government want to give jobs to people who know what they're doing. Well up for this. I'm sure I read somewhere in an article about his brother Edward that about 20% of Timpsons employees are rehabilitated offenders.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jul 6, 2024 10:35:23 GMT
Read and weep The goal from the very start has been to empower the Muslim vote and send the main political parties a message: Muslims are united, in Muslim-heavy areas your majorities will be under threat, and there may even be an upset. Tonight we did that in spades. 5 brilliant independents including removal of Jon Ashworth, majorities slashed for Wes, Roshanara, Jess, Keir just to name a few. Our community's backing of Greens and Lib Dems have helped them to historic wins. 📊 Greens, Lib Dems, Plaid Cymru, Workers Party and other smaller parties become the natural recipients of Muslim votes because of their better record on key issues the Muslim community cares about - in particular peace in Palestine. 📉 Today, as predicted, Labour have secured a landslide. But in Muslim-heavy seats the seeds of our community's future have been sown. It will not be a landslide in the coming elections - and that is when the message sent today will really resonate. 💡Labour is projected to win landslide with a smaller share of the vote than Labour lost with in 2017. This is a sandcastle majority: when the tide changes so too do these results. ✅ The Muslim Vote & The Entire Muslim Community, with limited resources, has achieved completely unprecedented. 👉 And this is after just 6 weeks of organisation - TMV has always been a 5 election campaign. We’ve seen what’s possible. We will continue to build this political infrastructure for the future - this coordination is only going to improve over the next 5 years. 🗳️ Further Analysis and presentation of results will follow soon, there are quite a few. Hopefully the next time some are screaming rascist at nigel farage when he's on TV standing up for British heritage and concern for what our kids are being taught...you'll think who really has Britain's best interest at heart Reform or the Muslim party... It's real and it's coming folks.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 6, 2024 10:35:36 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Jul 6, 2024 10:45:39 GMT
Read and weep The goal from the very start has been to empower the Muslim vote and send the main political parties a message: Muslims are united, in Muslim-heavy areas your majorities will be under threat, and there may even be an upset. Tonight we did that in spades. 5 brilliant independents including removal of Jon Ashworth, majorities slashed for Wes, Roshanara, Jess, Keir just to name a few. Our community's backing of Greens and Lib Dems have helped them to historic wins. 📊 Greens, Lib Dems, Plaid Cymru, Workers Party and other smaller parties become the natural recipients of Muslim votes because of their better record on key issues the Muslim community cares about - in particular peace in Palestine. 📉 Today, as predicted, Labour have secured a landslide. But in Muslim-heavy seats the seeds of our community's future have been sown. It will not be a landslide in the coming elections - and that is when the message sent today will really resonate. 💡Labour is projected to win landslide with a smaller share of the vote than Labour lost with in 2017. This is a sandcastle majority: when the tide changes so too do these results. ✅ The Muslim Vote & The Entire Muslim Community, with limited resources, has achieved completely unprecedented. 👉 And this is after just 6 weeks of organisation - TMV has always been a 5 election campaign. We’ve seen what’s possible. We will continue to build this political infrastructure for the future - this coordination is only going to improve over the next 5 years. 🗳️ Further Analysis and presentation of results will follow soon, there are quite a few. There are countless Outsider Pressure Groups in UK of people with like minded views who feel individually they don't have a voice so use their collective strength to try and influence opinion During the Election debate those both for and against Reform were glad they were in the debate because they could express the views of many people who didn't feel represented by any of the mainstream Party's. Many were disappointed that no credible Left Wing Party were in the debate The main Political Party's in England have a common Policy towards Israel/Palestine which doesn't allow an alternative viewpoint. TMV are a pressure group which endorses those with an alternative view comparable with their members and followers thinking. TMV are no different to Surfers Against Sewage, Fare Share, Greenpeace, CND etc. They are Common Interest Groups operating outside Government who exchange information to pursue the adoption of the ideas they hold.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jul 6, 2024 10:53:39 GMT
Read and weep The goal from the very start has been to empower the Muslim vote and send the main political parties a message: Muslims are united, in Muslim-heavy areas your majorities will be under threat, and there may even be an upset. Tonight we did that in spades. 5 brilliant independents including removal of Jon Ashworth, majorities slashed for Wes, Roshanara, Jess, Keir just to name a few. Our community's backing of Greens and Lib Dems have helped them to historic wins. 📊 Greens, Lib Dems, Plaid Cymru, Workers Party and other smaller parties become the natural recipients of Muslim votes because of their better record on key issues the Muslim community cares about - in particular peace in Palestine. 📉 Today, as predicted, Labour have secured a landslide. But in Muslim-heavy seats the seeds of our community's future have been sown. It will not be a landslide in the coming elections - and that is when the message sent today will really resonate. 💡Labour is projected to win landslide with a smaller share of the vote than Labour lost with in 2017. This is a sandcastle majority: when the tide changes so too do these results. ✅ The Muslim Vote & The Entire Muslim Community, with limited resources, has achieved completely unprecedented. 👉 And this is after just 6 weeks of organisation - TMV has always been a 5 election campaign. We’ve seen what’s possible. We will continue to build this political infrastructure for the future - this coordination is only going to improve over the next 5 years. 🗳️ Further Analysis and presentation of results will follow soon, there are quite a few. There are countless Outsider Pressure Groups in UK of people with like minded views who feel individually they don't have a voice so use their collective strength to try and influence opinion During the Election debate those both for and against Reform were glad they were in the debate because they could express the views of many people who didn't feel represented by any of the mainstream Party's. Many were disappointed that no credible Left Wing Party were in the debate The main Political Party's in England have a common Policy towards Israel/Palestine which doesn't allow an alternative viewpoint. TMV are a pressure group which endorses those with an alternative view comparable with their members and followers thinking. TMV are no different to Surfers Against Sewage, Fare Share, Greenpeace, CND etc. They are Common Interest Groups operating outside Government who exchange information to pursue the adoption of the ideas they hold. Pressure group.. maybe! But as the article states itself "this is the beginning", future elections will see a far bigger organised " pressure group" By the time of the next election there could be up to 3 million new voters for there pressure group living in cities like stoke. London, Birmingham, It'll be stoke and Manchester next. ...Good luck.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 6, 2024 10:55:57 GMT
What, as gracious as you were in the run up to the election? With all the shit you came out with? Heaven help Starmer, if so! Mind, I guess it helps that the readership will have forgotten that an election took place by now 😄
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 6, 2024 10:59:45 GMT
I think everyone does get that! I think people are just glad to see the back of the worst bunch of 'leaders' the country has seen for decades (and that's no exaggeration). Also, everyone gets that the country is in a hole and it'll take time and care to pull it out. (You can't go on about the same old same old here and in a previous post call Starmer as left-wing as Corbyn. That just doesn't make any sense. Either Starmer is carrying on the Tory approach of the last few years which would be same old same old or he's a radical socialist with markedly different approaches to everything. Which one are you going for now?) Make no mistake keir is as left as corbyn. But as I said he is more intelligent than corbyn. and could see the labour party needed to move away from far left to be voted back in.. In time slowly slowly keir will shift his policies more left. So it's not same old same old then.
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Post by gawa on Jul 6, 2024 10:59:56 GMT
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 6, 2024 11:01:30 GMT
Read and weep The goal from the very start has been to empower the Muslim vote and send the main political parties a message: Muslims are united, in Muslim-heavy areas your majorities will be under threat, and there may even be an upset. Tonight we did that in spades. 5 brilliant independents including removal of Jon Ashworth, majorities slashed for Wes, Roshanara, Jess, Keir just to name a few. Our community's backing of Greens and Lib Dems have helped them to historic wins. 📊 Greens, Lib Dems, Plaid Cymru, Workers Party and other smaller parties become the natural recipients of Muslim votes because of their better record on key issues the Muslim community cares about - in particular peace in Palestine. 📉 Today, as predicted, Labour have secured a landslide. But in Muslim-heavy seats the seeds of our community's future have been sown. It will not be a landslide in the coming elections - and that is when the message sent today will really resonate. 💡Labour is projected to win landslide with a smaller share of the vote than Labour lost with in 2017. This is a sandcastle majority: when the tide changes so too do these results. ✅ The Muslim Vote & The Entire Muslim Community, with limited resources, has achieved completely unprecedented. 👉 And this is after just 6 weeks of organisation - TMV has always been a 5 election campaign. We’ve seen what’s possible. We will continue to build this political infrastructure for the future - this coordination is only going to improve over the next 5 years. 🗳️ Further Analysis and presentation of results will follow soon, there are quite a few. Hopefully the next time some are screaming rascist at nigel farage when he's on TV standing up for British heritage and concern for what our kids are being taught...you'll think who really has Britain's best interest at heart Reform or the Muslim party... It's real and it's coming folks. I'm sorry but his is just hysterical, ridiculous, alarmist, shit-stirring nonsense. The twitter group has 9,000 followers, yes 9,000 did you not bother to check that first? I have friends who have that many followers on Twitter but they are probably not going to take over the world either. Reform UK has 380,000 followers, so I wouldn't start wetting your pants just yet.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 6, 2024 11:02:48 GMT
As the only electable alternative, that works for me. Especially compared to where the Tories and Reform headbangers are. A much preferable, if imperfect, outcome. Which has been my pragmatic position all along.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 6, 2024 11:04:13 GMT
Hopefully the next time some are screaming rascist at nigel farage when he's on TV standing up for British heritage and concern for what our kids are being taught...you'll think who really has Britain's best interest at heart Reform or the Muslim party... It's real and it's coming folks. This is just hysterical, ridiculous, alarmist, shit-stirring nonsense. The twitter group has 9,000 followers, yes 9,000 did you not bother to check that first? I have friends who have that many followers on Twitter but they are probably not going to take over the world either. Reform UK has 380,000 followers, so I wouldn't start wetting your pants just yet. There's a lot of knicker-wetting, especially from Reform supporters around muslims on here.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 6, 2024 11:14:38 GMT
This is just hysterical, ridiculous, alarmist, shit-stirring nonsense. The twitter group has 9,000 followers, yes 9,000 did you not bother to check that first? I have friends who have that many followers on Twitter but they are probably not going to take over the world either. Reform UK has 380,000 followers, so I wouldn't start wetting your pants just yet. There's a lot of knicker-wetting, especially from Reform supporters around muslims on here. It's ok having concerns but they should be constructive, not destructive and not based on ridiculous random twitter posts. It's not healthy for the people who hunt out these random posts. It's too easy to find these kind of social media posts (of which there are literally millions), which distort reality and try to make out it is some kind of existential threat. Basing arguments around these kind of posts is a psychological dead-end. I genuinely worry about the people who pursue this kind of activity.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 6, 2024 11:19:50 GMT
There's a lot of knicker-wetting, especially from Reform supporters around muslims on here. It's ok having concerns but they should be constructive, not destructive and not based on ridiculous random twitter posts. It's not healthy for the people who hunt out these random posts. It's too easy to find these kind of social media posts (of which there are literally millions), which distort reality and try to make out it is some kind of existential threat. Basing arguments around these kind of posts is a psychological dead-end. I genuinely worry about the people who pursue this kind of activity. Random Twitter posts 🤣there’s hundreds of them out there,wake up FFS
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 6, 2024 11:22:36 GMT
It's ok having concerns but they should be constructive, not destructive and not based on ridiculous random twitter posts. It's not healthy for the people who hunt out these random posts. It's too easy to find these kind of social media posts (of which there are literally millions), which distort reality and try to make out it is some kind of existential threat. Basing arguments around these kind of posts is a psychological dead-end. I genuinely worry about the people who pursue this kind of activity. Random Twitter posts 🤣there’s hundreds of them out there,wake up FFS Of course there are. how many followers have these groups got?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 6, 2024 11:30:08 GMT
There's a lot of knicker-wetting, especially from Reform supporters around muslims on here. It's ok having concerns but they should be constructive, not destructive and not based on ridiculous random twitter posts. It's not healthy for the people who hunt out these random posts. It's too easy to find these kind of social media posts (of which there are literally millions), which distort reality and try to make out it is some kind of existential threat. Basing arguments around these kind of posts is a psychological dead-end. I genuinely worry about the people who pursue this kind of activity. To be honest, though, Spit, I've been reading scare-mongering shite about the muslim takeover, an impending civil war, Sharia law taking over etc etc ever since I first found this site back in 1999 😂 The posters come and go, the voices change but the message never does. And I'm still waiting for the catastrophe that they and Tommy Robinson and his ilk keep promising! I think the big difference is that I don't live my life in fear and ignorance...
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 6, 2024 11:38:10 GMT
It's ok having concerns but they should be constructive, not destructive and not based on ridiculous random twitter posts. It's not healthy for the people who hunt out these random posts. It's too easy to find these kind of social media posts (of which there are literally millions), which distort reality and try to make out it is some kind of existential threat. Basing arguments around these kind of posts is a psychological dead-end. I genuinely worry about the people who pursue this kind of activity. Random Twitter posts 🤣there’s hundreds of them out there,wake up FFS Some context I couldn't find a UK Muslim twitter group with more than 23k followers. The Muslim Association of Britain (cited by Michael Gove as a divisive force) has 10k followers (most seem to have this number or less) Britain First has 87k followers Tommy Robinson has 636k followers. That is 63x more than the organisation that is cited as the most threatening to UK interests, which I would say is very contestable anyway. (and I speak as a fervent atheist who personally finds all religious denominations problematic) Reform UK has 380k followers. Just asking you to consider giving this some context.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 6, 2024 11:42:17 GMT
Random Twitter posts 🤣there’s hundreds of them out there,wake up FFS Some context I couldn't find a Muslim twitter group with more than 23k followers. The Muslim Association of Britain (cited by Michael Gove as a divisive force) has 10k followers (most seem to have this number or less) Britain First has 87k followers Tommy Robinson has 636k followers. That is 63x more than the organisation that is cited as the most threatening to UK interests, which I would say is very contestable anyway. (and I speak as a fervent atheist who finds all religious denominations problematic) Reform has 380k followers. Just asking you to consider giving this some context. I suggest we bookmark these threads and revisit them in the coming years
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 6, 2024 11:44:18 GMT
Some context I couldn't find a Muslim twitter group with more than 23k followers. The Muslim Association of Britain (cited by Michael Gove as a divisive force) has 10k followers (most seem to have this number or less) Britain First has 87k followers Tommy Robinson has 636k followers. That is 63x more than the organisation that is cited as the most threatening to UK interests, which I would say is very contestable anyway. (and I speak as a fervent atheist who finds all religious denominations problematic) Reform has 380k followers. Just asking you to consider giving this some context. I suggest we bookmark these threads and revisit them in the coming years I'm very happy to do that if it helps. Ive been hearing this for the last 10 or more years though, so it seems like very slow 'progress' so far, but yes, lets monitor it and take these numbers into consideration.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 6, 2024 11:46:35 GMT
Some context I couldn't find a Muslim twitter group with more than 23k followers. The Muslim Association of Britain (cited by Michael Gove as a divisive force) has 10k followers (most seem to have this number or less) Britain First has 87k followers Tommy Robinson has 636k followers. That is 63x more than the organisation that is cited as the most threatening to UK interests, which I would say is very contestable anyway. (and I speak as a fervent atheist who finds all religious denominations problematic) Reform has 380k followers. Just asking you to consider giving this some context. I suggest we bookmark these threads and revisit them in the coming years Save yourself the bother and just accept that these posts have appeared countless times over the last 25 years on here. Enoch was going on about the same stuff 25 years before that. Go and spend some time talking to some muslims. You might be surprised what you learn.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 6, 2024 11:50:50 GMT
I suggest we bookmark these threads and revisit them in the coming years Save yourself the bother and just accept that these posts have appeared countless times over the last 25 years on here. Enoch was going on about the same stuff 25 years before that. Go and spend some time talking to some muslims. You might be surprised what you learn. That's all fine, but I do agree it is a good idea to bookmark these followings. I think it's a good suggestion, because I think it's useful to get into the habit of contextualising this level of interest, measuring the level of engagement as well as what they are saying.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 6, 2024 12:05:35 GMT
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jul 6, 2024 12:06:52 GMT
I suggest we bookmark these threads and revisit them in the coming years Save yourself the bother and just accept that these posts have appeared countless times over the last 25 years on here. Enoch was going on about the same stuff 25 years before that. Go and spend some time talking to some muslims. You might be surprised what you learn. Was Enoch wrong about his prediction of what our cities would become.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 6, 2024 12:08:55 GMT
James Timpson, chair of Prison Reform Trust, now prisons minister. It's as if the new government want to give jobs to people who know what they're doing. Well up for this. I'm stunned nobody from The Oatcake intelligentsia has been offered a role. It's a damning indictment on the state of the board. Those that can, do. Those that can't pontificate on here.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 6, 2024 12:11:17 GMT
Surprised to learn this evening that Labours Ashworth lost his seat to an independent Pro Palestinian candidate. Ashworth was a major Labour mouthpiece on TV media who had little to say constructively except for Tory bashing. This Palestinian situation is just one of the numerous problems that this new government has to deal with when they realise the responsibilities that they are now having to face. I hope they are up to it. Interesting times ahead. Foreign affairs inteet? Lammy will sort it out.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 6, 2024 12:21:33 GMT
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Post by hotterpotter on Jul 6, 2024 12:37:47 GMT
I'm glad the Election is done and dusted. Now we can just accept the result and see if Labour can do anything to turn things around. Personally I don't think it's out of the frying pan into the fire - more staying in the frying pan with fresh ingredients - we'll see.
Starmer could be a Prime Minister who is not outright embarrassing, which is a start.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 6, 2024 12:56:09 GMT
I'm glad the Election is done and dusted. Now we can just accept the result and see if Labour can do anything to turn things around. Personally I don't think it's out of the frying pan into the fire - more staying in the frying pan with fresh ingredients - we'll see. Starmer could be a Prime Minister who is not outright embarrassing, which is a start. It will also be welcome change to have a PM where the (immediate family) sharks are not circling every 5 minutes to bring them down. We need some stability in this respect. The Tories were more inward facing than outward facing, its almost like we (the public) didn't really exist, they became incurably narcissistic. It was interesting that in the speeches of many senior Tories who did not get elected, they referred to 'the Conservative Party not listening' in third person, as if they were not part of it! Well, they were and that was part of the problem. Total lack of awareness, and no sense of personal responsibility.
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Post by elystokie on Jul 6, 2024 12:59:11 GMT
I'm glad the Election is done and dusted. Now we can just accept the result and see if Labour can do anything to turn things around. Personally I don't think it's out of the frying pan into the fire - more staying in the frying pan with fresh ingredients - we'll see. Starmer could be a Prime Minister who is not outright embarrassing, which is a start. In poker terms he's been dealt 72 offsuit as his hole cards, if he manages to make a hand out of that he deserves a Sainthood not a Knighthood, it'll be a modern day miracle.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 6, 2024 13:07:29 GMT
I'm glad the Election is done and dusted. Now we can just accept the result and see if Labour can do anything to turn things around. Personally I don't think it's out of the frying pan into the fire - more staying in the frying pan with fresh ingredients - we'll see. Starmer could be a Prime Minister who is not outright embarrassing, which is a start. I’m definitely a floating voter and am more than willing to give Labour a chance after what have been a pretty awful few years under the Tories. I do have some concerns based around other peoples opinions mainly around tax and immigration. Though it’s very days I have to say so far I’ve been impressed by what Starmers had to say and on the whole his cabinet is a well thought out one. It’s going to be an interesting 5 years full of challenges for Sir Kier. Let’s see how he does. I’m not an expert on politics but if I could ask him 5 questions they’d be - What’s your thoughts on Putin and Ukraine? - How will you be dealing with immigration on the borders and the processing of those coming over? - Strikes. What will your policy around the many ones oncoming? - Tax. Who will you be hitting hardest? - Law and Order / NHS what are your plans for both?
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