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Post by gawa on Jul 5, 2024 22:48:29 GMT
Well said Jezza 🤣
If Reform voters are racists due to farage... what does that make Labour supporters due to mandelson...
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Post by musik on Jul 5, 2024 23:02:30 GMT
Not much about this election on Swe tv, in fact surprisingly little. Labour wins.
What will happen now? Increased taxes? More immigration? An increase in violent crimes?
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 6, 2024 0:18:30 GMT
Not much about this election on Swe tv, in fact surprisingly little. Labour wins. What will happen now? Increased taxes? More immigration? An increase in violent crimes? They've promised really tight limits on taxes. Hard to see how they can deliver their promised spending tbh? Immigration rates were so high that it's hard to see them going up. Crimes I think tend to increase with poverty most of all, plus things like aggressive policing, some cultural stuff etc, so who knows what will happen. Europe has more "enlightened" or "liberal" approaches to crime than the US, and violent crimes and murder rates especially are way lower in Europe.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 6, 2024 0:21:51 GMT
Working Class people should know their place Toffs have a natural style and dignity and don't disgrace the Nation View AttachmentI just happen to think that if I had a meeting with a world leader I wouldn’t turn up in a pair of jeans and a hairy shirt.
Nowt wrong with world leaders in jeans ...
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 6, 2024 0:23:51 GMT
Nobody is mentioning the elephant in the room on turnout and Labour vote suppression that of voter id Why do you think voter ID suppresses the Labour vote. I don’t understand? I doubt it's as bad in the US but you can help shift how easy it is for certain types of people to vote with ID laws. E.g. the republicans in some states changed requirements so that tribal IDs were illegal for voting. For many native people it'd be 3+ hours by car to get to the nearest place that issues ID, and many don't have cars. They add barriers to poorer people, those in non-white areas and younger people. Just by changing the types of ID that're accepted and how easy it is to get them. E.g. you can shut down licencing offices in areas that don't vote for you much.
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Post by mrnovember on Jul 6, 2024 7:23:14 GMT
And hopefully Labour will take their lead from Jess Philips and Shabana Mahmood and address the challenge with dignity, bravery and a desire for mutual respect and a peaceful outcome. BBC News - Jess Phillips and Shabana Mahmood speak of election intimidation - BBC News www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ng3j1pnpqoShame on the pair of them acting the victim. As the bible says treat thy neighbour how thy would like to be treated. How did Jess treat the most abused woman in politics? Bullied her and boasted about it on live TV to try and make herself popular 🤔 It's funny how none of the Tory mps who are so disliked have raised this issue. Or Reform or any other party for that reason. Little genocide enablers playing the victim because they've been held to account by their electorate and had to answer to them in the street after dodging every hustings. Hope they both enjoy their last term in office. Should make more of an effort to represent the interests of their voters moving forward rather than trying to silence them and play the victims. Your keffiyeh is blinding you son.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 6, 2024 7:49:29 GMT
Not much about this election on Swe tv, in fact surprisingly little. Labour wins. What will happen now? Increased taxes? More immigration? An increase in violent crimes? Reduced crime Reduced homelessness Services that work....maybe A country that works would be a huge achievement for this government given the state it's been left in We hopefully have a government that will at least put a bit back into society rather than suck the life out everything because of greed like the Tories
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jul 6, 2024 8:12:35 GMT
Another banger from Joe
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Post by musik on Jul 6, 2024 8:16:55 GMT
Not much about this election on Swe tv, in fact surprisingly little. Labour wins. What will happen now? Increased taxes? More immigration? An increase in violent crimes? Reduced crime Reduced homelessness Services that work....maybe A country that works would be a huge achievement for this government given the state it's been left in We hopefully have a government that will at least put a bit back into society rather than suck the life out everything because of greed like the Tories Then ... Good Luck! Reduced crime and reduced homelessness would be a good start.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jul 6, 2024 9:02:44 GMT
Not much about this election on Swe tv, in fact surprisingly little. Labour wins. What will happen now? Increased taxes? More immigration? An increase in violent crimes? Reduced crime Reduced homelessness Services that work....maybe A country that works would be a huge achievement for this government given the state it's been left in We hopefully have a government that will at least put a bit back into society rather than suck the life out everything because of greed like the Tories I woke up this morning and I'm sure the sky seemed bluer, the birds sang happier, children skipped and danced in the street, the queues at the a and e were non existent. Pot holes were all filled in. Fly tipping had stopped, thankyou sir keir and new old Labour.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 6, 2024 9:08:05 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 6, 2024 9:16:20 GMT
Reduced crime Reduced homelessness Services that work....maybe A country that works would be a huge achievement for this government given the state it's been left in We hopefully have a government that will at least put a bit back into society rather than suck the life out everything because of greed like the Tories I woke up this morning and I'm sure the sky seemed bluer, the birds sang happier, children skipped and danced in the street, the queues at the a and e were non existent. Pot holes were all filled in. Fly tipping had stopped, thankyou sir keir and new old Labour. Somebody's not taking it very well! You can't seriously have wanted more of the disastrous last decade or so of what the Conservatives provided, surely?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 6, 2024 9:24:22 GMT
Pound seems to have strengthened against both the US dollar and the Euro. Whodathunkit?
Well, most sensible people to be fair. Replace an omnishambles administration with one that, at the very least, gives the impression of not being such a catastrophe and contains a chancellor with a wealth of financial experience and it's perhaps not that surprising that the markets responded calmly and favourably to the change of government.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 6, 2024 9:34:03 GMT
Read and weep
The goal from the very start has been to empower the Muslim vote and send the main political parties a message: Muslims are united, in Muslim-heavy areas your majorities will be under threat, and there may even be an upset. Tonight we did that in spades.
5 brilliant independents including removal of Jon Ashworth, majorities slashed for Wes, Roshanara, Jess, Keir just to name a few. Our community's backing of Greens and Lib Dems have helped them to historic wins.
📊 Greens, Lib Dems, Plaid Cymru, Workers Party and other smaller parties become the natural recipients of Muslim votes because of their better record on key issues the Muslim community cares about - in particular peace in Palestine.
📉 Today, as predicted, Labour have secured a landslide. But in Muslim-heavy seats the seeds of our community's future have been sown. It will not be a landslide in the coming elections - and that is when the message sent today will really resonate.
💡Labour is projected to win landslide with a smaller share of the vote than Labour lost with in 2017. This is a sandcastle majority: when the tide changes so too do these results.
✅ The Muslim Vote & The Entire Muslim Community, with limited resources, has achieved completely unprecedented.
👉 And this is after just 6 weeks of organisation - TMV has always been a 5 election campaign. We’ve seen what’s possible. We will continue to build this political infrastructure for the future - this coordination is only going to improve over the next 5 years.
🗳️ Further Analysis and presentation of results will follow soon, there are quite a few.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 6, 2024 9:38:20 GMT
When the civil war kicks off my monies on the muslims! Have you seen the state of the coked up, pissed up fat bastards who follow Tommy Robinson and the like around? They'll not last five minutes!
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 6, 2024 9:38:24 GMT
Reduced crime Reduced homelessness Services that work....maybe A country that works would be a huge achievement for this government given the state it's been left in We hopefully have a government that will at least put a bit back into society rather than suck the life out everything because of greed like the Tories I woke up this morning and I'm sure the sky seemed bluer, the birds sang happier, children skipped and danced in the street, the queues at the a and e were non existent. Pot holes were all filled in. Fly tipping had stopped, thankyou sir keir and new old Labour. Unfortunately things won't get better over night, it will take time. What does this government need to do to please you? If they make some improvements to our problems then surely that's good isn't it? We ain't going to get miracles but it's important we see progress
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Post by Gods on Jul 6, 2024 9:41:00 GMT
Resolving the junior doctors strike would be an easy first win.
But like everything else its a payer.
I wonder where they are going to find the money to do anything. They said they won't raise taxes on 'working people' and I assumed 'working people' are people who work, but it seems not, when pressed Starmer said something about them being people who can't just write a cheque if they get an unexpected bill. So that would open up savings and private pensions for attack. We already know about Private Schools losing VAT status but I think they have spent that one ten times over already. I presume more borrowing too but the public finances are in a historic mess since brexit, covid and war in Ukraine. Printing more money is an extremely bad idea IMHO.
They have got to win back the voters breaking for Reform who have a strategy for 2029 and got 4 million votes this time scrambled together in about 3 weeks flat. Starmer will have Farrage in his ear pointing out that if you divy out 1.2 million immigration visas per year as we have done since brexit then it is little wonder public services are creaking and we will have to start loosening planning controls and building on the green belt which will have nimby's like me hopping up and down like a good'un!
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Post by wannabee on Jul 6, 2024 9:53:35 GMT
The common denominator for most on that list who are being "elevated" is failure and incompetence while in Office One was even officially assigned the epithet Don't disgrace yourself or the Party, serve your time and there will be a severance package and a pension top up and you can keep the illusion that you were ever relevant
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jul 6, 2024 9:57:37 GMT
I woke up this morning and I'm sure the sky seemed bluer, the birds sang happier, children skipped and danced in the street, the queues at the a and e were non existent. Pot holes were all filled in. Fly tipping had stopped, thankyou sir keir and new old Labour. Somebody's not taking it very well! You can't seriously have wanted more of the disastrous last decade or so of what the Conservatives provided, surely? Not at all did I want the toys to continue.. I just wish people would be realistic and realise all is not suddenly gonna be wonderful just because Labour are now in power. So many issues are falling apart in this country, health, education, social care, British culture, housing, transport, are a centre left government really gonna be able to sort it out as some believe. Their actually very similar policies to the centre right toys who have now left.. If you want real change you've gotta look elsewhere than the same old same old. This looks like either reform, maybe the working peoples party and even the Muslim independents who have made some strides this election and by 2029 will have the backing and infrastructure to be a relevant political force..
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 6, 2024 9:58:11 GMT
Reduced crime Reduced homelessness Services that work....maybe A country that works would be a huge achievement for this government given the state it's been left in We hopefully have a government that will at least put a bit back into society rather than suck the life out everything because of greed like the Tories I woke up this morning and I'm sure the sky seemed bluer, the birds sang happier, children skipped and danced in the street, the queues at the a and e were non existent. Pot holes were all filled in. Fly tipping had stopped, thankyou sir keir and new old Labour. Life does actually feel a little bit better since yesterday actually…..
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 6, 2024 9:59:44 GMT
Resolving the junior doctors strike would be an easy first win. But like everything else its a payer. I wonder where they are going to find the money to do anything. They said they won't raise taxes on 'working people' and I assumed 'working people' are people who work, but it seems not, when pressed Starmer said something about them being people who can't just write a cheque if they get an unexpected bill. So that would open up savings and private pensions for attack. We already know about Private Schools losing VAT status but I think they have spent that one ten times over already. I presume more borrowing too but the public finances are in a historic mess since brexit, covid and war in Ukraine. Printing more money is an extremely bad idea IMHO. They have got to win back the voters breaking for Reform who have a strategy for 2029 and got 4 million votes this time scrambled together in a about 3 weeks. Starmer will have Farrage in his ear pointing out that if you divy out 1.2 million immigration visas per year as we have done since brexit then it is little wonder public services are creaking and we will have to start loosening planning controls and building on the green belt which will have nimby's like me hopping up and down like a good'un! No. They've already said no raised taxes and no more borrowing. If you want to understand their approach, have a read of this, it's quite fair imo. Pragmatism and cautious re-building seem to be the order of the day, without additional taxation nor further loading up the national debt and, again in my opinion, that seems the right approach, if a little uninspiring. blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/what-economists-think-of-labours-economic-policy/
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 6, 2024 10:01:58 GMT
Turned up for the count and congratulated Starmer on the win. Unlike ................ Unlike George Galloway? Well at least George helped fight apartheid in South Africa. Was one of the most vocal voices against the hundreds of thousands of needless deaths in Iraq and again the same in Gaza. Some other politicians think its OK to turn off water and electric for innocent civillians and collectively punish them. I'll not judge him by who he shares a stage with. If you say so - though you might question his motivation. As Christopher Hitchens aid of him - he searches for a tyranical fatherland. Heaped praise on Saddam for his "courage, strength and indefatigability", fan of the Ba'athist party, Assad, Hassan Nasrallah and Castro, Mourned the fall of the Soviet Union (one of the most tyrannical regimes of modern times) as "the biggest catastrophe" of his life - and eerily quiet about Ukraine - cos his mate Vlad's bombing Mauripol flat and killing kids in their schools is just fine by George. If you share George's word view then good for you - but he ain't no progressive. He's a narcissistic, thin-skinned, autocratic,mysogonistic bully - and the congratulations to the good people of Rochdale for kicking him out.
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Post by Veritas on Jul 6, 2024 10:04:30 GMT
Resolving the junior doctors strike would be an easy first win. But like everything else its a payer. I wonder where they are going to find the money to do anything. They said they won't raise taxes on 'working people' and I assumed 'working people' are people who work, but it seems not, when pressed Starmer said something about them being people who can't just write a cheque if they get an unexpected bill. So that would open up savings and private pensions for attack. We already know about Private Schools losing VAT status but I think they have spent that one ten times over already. I presume more borrowing too but the public finances are in a historic mess since brexit, covid and war in Ukraine. Printing more money is an extremely bad idea IMHO. They have got to win back the voters breaking for Reform who have a strategy for 2029 and got 4 million votes this time scrambled together in a about 3 weeks. Starmer will have Farrage in his ear pointing out that if you divy out 1.2 million immigration visas per year as we have done since brexit then it is little wonder public services are creaking and we will have to start loosening planning controls and building on the green belt which will have nimby's like me hopping up and down like a good'un! No. They've already said no raised taxes and no more borrowing. If you want to understand their approach, have a read of this, it's quite fair imo. Pragmatism and cautious re-building seem to be the order of the day, without additional taxation nor further loading up the national debt and, again in my opinion, that seems the right approach, if a little uninspiring. blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/what-economists-think-of-labours-economic-policy/This can't be right there are some economics experts on here who were adamant taxes would be raised by Friday afternoon with a resultant flight of capital and stock market crash. They can't possibly have been talking out of their rear orifices could they!!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 6, 2024 10:05:19 GMT
Somebody's not taking it very well! You can't seriously have wanted more of the disastrous last decade or so of what the Conservatives provided, surely? Not at all did I want the toys to continue.. I just wish people would be realistic and realise all is not suddenly gonna be wonderful just because Labour are now in power. So many issues are falling apart in this country, health, education, social care, British culture, housing, transport, are a centre left government really gonna be able to sort it out as some believe. Their actually very similar policies to the centre right toys who have now left.. If you want real change you've gotta look elsewhere than the same old same old. I think everyone does get that! I think people are just glad to see the back of the worst bunch of 'leaders' the country has seen for decades (and that's no exaggeration). Also, everyone gets that the country is in a hole and it'll take time and care to pull it out. (You can't go on about the same old same old here and in a previous post call Starmer as left-wing as Corbyn. That just doesn't make any sense. Either Starmer is carrying on the Tory approach of the last few years which would be same old same old or he's a radical socialist with markedly different approaches to everything. Which one are you going for now?)
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Post by skip on Jul 6, 2024 10:05:37 GMT
James Timpson, chair of Prison Reform Trust, now prisons minister.
It's as if the new government want to give jobs to people who know what they're doing. Well up for this.
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Post by Gods on Jul 6, 2024 10:08:38 GMT
Resolving the junior doctors strike would be an easy first win. But like everything else its a payer. I wonder where they are going to find the money to do anything. They said they won't raise taxes on 'working people' and I assumed 'working people' are people who work, but it seems not, when pressed Starmer said something about them being people who can't just write a cheque if they get an unexpected bill. So that would open up savings and private pensions for attack. We already know about Private Schools losing VAT status but I think they have spent that one ten times over already. I presume more borrowing too but the public finances are in a historic mess since brexit, covid and war in Ukraine. Printing more money is an extremely bad idea IMHO. They have got to win back the voters breaking for Reform who have a strategy for 2029 and got 4 million votes this time scrambled together in a about 3 weeks. Starmer will have Farrage in his ear pointing out that if you divy out 1.2 million immigration visas per year as we have done since brexit then it is little wonder public services are creaking and we will have to start loosening planning controls and building on the green belt which will have nimby's like me hopping up and down like a good'un! No. They've already said no raised taxes and no more borrowing. If you want to understand their approach, have a read of this, it's quite fair imo. Pragmatism and cautious re-building seem to be the order of the day, without additional taxation nor further loading up the national debt and, again in my opinion, that seems the right approach, if a little uninspiring. blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/what-economists-think-of-labours-economic-policy/I believe they have only said 'no' to raising income tax, NI and VAT and not stipulated a time period for that altough one would assume it means this parliament. It leaves inheritance tax, private schools, private pensions, interest on savings and a whole lot more. They are committed to fix child poverty, homelessness, higher education funding, adult social care, local government finances, pensions and much more besides. I can't square the circle. No one can, so that leaves the only answer they have which is 'growth', we'll see.
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Post by mrnovember on Jul 6, 2024 10:11:32 GMT
Read and weep The goal from the very start has been to empower the Muslim vote and send the main political parties a message: Muslims are united, in Muslim-heavy areas your majorities will be under threat, and there may even be an upset. Tonight we did that in spades. 5 brilliant independents including removal of Jon Ashworth, majorities slashed for Wes, Roshanara, Jess, Keir just to name a few. Our community's backing of Greens and Lib Dems have helped them to historic wins. 📊 Greens, Lib Dems, Plaid Cymru, Workers Party and other smaller parties become the natural recipients of Muslim votes because of their better record on key issues the Muslim community cares about - in particular peace in Palestine. 📉 Today, as predicted, Labour have secured a landslide. But in Muslim-heavy seats the seeds of our community's future have been sown. It will not be a landslide in the coming elections - and that is when the message sent today will really resonate. 💡Labour is projected to win landslide with a smaller share of the vote than Labour lost with in 2017. This is a sandcastle majority: when the tide changes so too do these results. ✅ The Muslim Vote & The Entire Muslim Community, with limited resources, has achieved completely unprecedented. 👉 And this is after just 6 weeks of organisation - TMV has always been a 5 election campaign. We’ve seen what’s possible. We will continue to build this political infrastructure for the future - this coordination is only going to improve over the next 5 years. 🗳️ Further Analysis and presentation of results will follow soon, there are quite a few. Feinstein got 7k votes to Sir Kiers 18k and the Gazastapo are spunking over it. You got trounced lads.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 6, 2024 10:13:00 GMT
James Timpson, chair of Prison Reform Trust, now prisons minister. It's as if the new government want to give jobs to people who know what they're doing. Well up for this. It’s a good appointment. As I put on the other thread it will be interesting to follow this one as Labour have pledged to find an extra 20,000 prison capacity whereas Timpson believes (rightly in my opinion) in the rehabilitation and release of non-violent offenders into society reducing the overall prison population. I just hope it’s not a good appointment on paper but his hands are tied by Rachel Reeves when he wants to implement anything……
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Post by danceswithclams on Jul 6, 2024 10:13:05 GMT
James Timpson, chair of Prison Reform Trust, now prisons minister. It's as if the new government want to give jobs to people who know what they're doing. Well up for this. Disappointed that they didn't make him 'Minister of Shoes' 😐
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jul 6, 2024 10:13:29 GMT
Not at all did I want the toys to continue.. I just wish people would be realistic and realise all is not suddenly gonna be wonderful just because Labour are now in power. So many issues are falling apart in this country, health, education, social care, British culture, housing, transport, are a centre left government really gonna be able to sort it out as some believe. Their actually very similar policies to the centre right toys who have now left.. If you want real change you've gotta look elsewhere than the same old same old. I think everyone does get that! I think people are just glad to see the back of the worst bunch of 'leaders' the country has seen for decades (and that's no exaggeration). Also, everyone gets that the country is in a hole and it'll take time and care to pull it out. (You can't go on about the same old same old here and in a previous post call Starmer as left-wing as Corbyn. That just doesn't make any sense. Either Starmer is carrying on the Tory approach of the last few years which would be same old same old or he's a radical socialist with markedly different approaches to everything. Which one are you going for now?) Make no mistake keir is as left as corbyn. But as I said he is more intelligent than corbyn. and could see the labour party needed to move away from far left to be voted back in.. In time slowly slowly keir will shift his policies more left.
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