Hoever

[jesusmcmuffin]

Apr 21, 2024 8:59:29 GMT bayernoatcake said:

This feels awfully familiar.

Crap for the majority and scores some goals and it’s all forgotten.

For me the bigger picture is he has shown he is not good enough for about 90% of his time here.

Something else is awfully familiar here

[MilanStokie]

Apr 21, 2024 9:06:14 GMT tommycarlsberg said:

Important to remember where we are in the league even after a brilliant result and performance. He’s played a part in that.

Nah, doesn't work that way does it. Is it also Bae's fault we have struggled?

Not getting a proper striker and centre backs and a left back in January cost us big time.

Hoever has made as many, if not more, goal contributions than anyone else in the entire squad.

[GallysGuitar]

The better the team he’s in, the better he’ll look. If he was playing for a top 3 side who consistently dominated games and rarely lost the ball he’d look top notch - the issue being that for most of this season we’ve not been that team. His defensive frailties have therefore been fully exposed and confidence affected.

If we put together a top 10 side next year, he’ll be a real asset and thrive. If not… we’ll get the same Hoever as we’ve had the last two years. Match winner or match loser.

[bayernoatcake]

Apr 21, 2024 9:05:36 GMT MilanStokie said:

Apr 21, 2024 8:59:29 GMT bayernoatcake said:

This feels awfully familiar.

Crap for the majority and scores some goals and it’s all forgotten.

For me the bigger picture is he has shown he is not good enough for about 90% of his time here.

I just can't push all the blame on Hoever here. Under AN it was blatantly obvious that he had instructions to get forward as much as possible, with Pearson and/or McNally covering any breaks. The 2 latter players didn't do their job well enough.

I can't defend the lapses in concentration leading to some terrible errors by Hoever, but I think it's part and parcel of that type of fullback, especially at 21/22 years of age.

You can put a lot of it on him though.

He has no positional awareness and doesn’t have a nose for defending. He would lose a man in a telephone box.

His decision making has generally been awful too.

Great finisher, can drive forward well but a terrible crosser of the ball and I don’t think that gets highlighted enough either.

[MilanStokie]

Apr 21, 2024 9:14:09 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Apr 21, 2024 9:05:36 GMT MilanStokie said:

I just can't push all the blame on Hoever here. Under AN it was blatantly obvious that he had instructions to get forward as much as possible, with Pearson and/or McNally covering any breaks. The 2 latter players didn't do their job well enough.

I can't defend the lapses in concentration leading to some terrible errors by Hoever, but I think it's part and parcel of that type of fullback, especially at 21/22 years of age.

You can put a lot of it on him though.

He has no positional awareness and doesn’t have a nose for defending. He would lose a man in a telephone box.

His decision making has generally been awful too.

Great finisher, can drive forward well but a terrible crosser of the ball and I don’t think that gets highlighted enough either.

Not what I have seen. In games when we have been forced back and had to defend and he's been at RB or RCB, he has shown he can actually defend quite well.

The mistakes or being out of position or positional awareness I think come from him trying to get back and then not understanding where he needs to be. I still think that is an issue with the instructions more than his ability.

Crossing, well something that a 22 year old can work on and improve, no?

I would get him back for sure, but at the right price. Would I pay £4m+ absolutely not, we need to spend more at CB, LB and upfront.

[tommycarlsberg]

Apr 21, 2024 9:10:28 GMT MilanStokie said:

Apr 21, 2024 9:06:14 GMT tommycarlsberg said:

Important to remember where we are in the league even after a brilliant result and performance. He’s played a part in that.

Nah, doesn't work that way does it. Is it also Bae's fault we have struggled?

Not getting a proper striker and centre backs and a left back in January cost us big time.

Hoever has made as many, if not more, goal contributions than anyone else in the entire squad.

Of course it does. Bae isn’t devoid of criticism either but he has been much better than Hoever generally. I do think the whole squad will improve next season if we keep together, there seems to be some unity there.

[MilanStokie]

Apr 21, 2024 9:22:20 GMT tommycarlsberg said:

Apr 21, 2024 9:10:28 GMT MilanStokie said:

Nah, doesn't work that way does it. Is it also Bae's fault we have struggled?

Not getting a proper striker and centre backs and a left back in January cost us big time.

Hoever has made as many, if not more, goal contributions than anyone else in the entire squad.

Of course it does. Bae isn’t devoid of criticism either but he has been much better than Hoever generally. I do think the whole squad will improve next season if we keep together, there seems to be some unity there.

The squad in certain positions is excellent.

It is missing a quality LB, which is why we improve dramatically by having Stevens play. Not that he is amazing, but just by having a natural LB makes a huge difference. we haven't had one for 75% of the season.

It misses a leader at the back, we desperately need 2 new CBs and I am happy for Wilmot and Rose to stay on as 3rd and 4th choice. Both can play well with a commanding CB.

And the glaring obvious omission to the squad is a leading striker. Regardless of the mistakes or issues at the back, goals have been the problem.

These were all issues before January, so it was annoying that we didn't address them.

Much work to be done over the summer, but some good foundations to add to.

[clarkeda]

Apr 21, 2024 8:34:01 GMT emretezzy said:

Apr 20, 2024 21:43:55 GMT lordb said:

Forming a good partnership with Manhoef

I would say this is a massive part of it.

He actually has a half decent player in front of him.

They compliment each other perfectly as Hoever has enough quality to ‘invert’ as per his goal.

Also his natural game is overlapping and that creates space for Manhoef to cut in too.

[andystokey]

Apr 21, 2024 9:44:48 GMT clarkeda said:

Apr 21, 2024 8:34:01 GMT emretezzy said:

I would say this is a massive part of it.

He actually has a half decent player in front of him.

They compliment each other perfectly as Hoever has enough quality to ‘invert’ as per his goal.

Also his natural game is overlapping and that creates space for Manhoef to cut in too.

Provided we get a solid right sided CB to allow him to make the odd mistake, I'd have him back without question. He is growing into a very good player. I just think maybe the Yam Yams might keep him next year given their squad issues.

[potters1]

Can’t defend 1on1 for shit. Junior can and is as fast, and as we saw flashes of, gets forward too. Hoever would be fantastic in a top team where others defend for him. He’s been part (not all) of the reason we are down at the bottom. Junior and Gooch are next seasons RBs.

[Block 26]

If Hoover could defend he would be a top player. He’s brilliant going forward but has made some horrible blunders in defence for us this season.

He was unlucky with his attempt which hit the bar & his goal was very well composed.

[sportsman]

Apr 21, 2024 10:51:23 GMT Block 26 said:

If Hoover could defend he would be a top player. He’s brilliant going forward but has made some horrible blunders in defence for us this season.

He was unlucky with his attempt which hit the bar & his goal was very well composed.

Makes me wonder what makes him a right back instead of right midfield or wide player. He’s similar to trent

[samwidge]

Apr 20, 2024 21:14:15 GMT @cvillestokie said:

He scores at the beginning and the end of the season. Goes missing for 30+ games when it’s cold.

No thanks.

Its still quite cold.

[benjaminbiscuit]

Apr 21, 2024 9:54:01 GMT andystokey said:

Apr 21, 2024 9:44:48 GMT clarkeda said:

They compliment each other perfectly as Hoever has enough quality to ‘invert’ as per his goal.

Also his natural game is overlapping and that creates space for Manhoef to cut in too.

Provided we get a solid right sided CB to allow him to make the odd mistake, I'd have him back without question. He is growing into a very good player. I just think maybe the Yam Yams might keep him next year given their squad issues.

I think that’s spot on hes good enight for their squad if not the team , he is also a much better footballer than junior , not as good an athlete for sure but hos quality on the ball is far superior. 

[RonnieStokie]

If I was Hoever and commuting distance was not not my number 1 factor next season, then I would be a bit more ambitious than considering a third stint at Stoke.

[jeycov]

I think he is a fantastic asset, needs a rb behind him

[moon]

Apr 21, 2024 10:04:04 GMT potters1 said:

Can’t defend 1on1 for shit. Junior can and is as fast, and as we saw flashes of, gets forward too. Hoever would be fantastic in a top team where others defend for him. He’s been part (not all) of the reason we are down at the bottom. Junior and Gooch are next seasons RBs.

Junior hasn’t shown much in his time here so far, I know he has had a few injuries and international duty, but I’m yet to see the outstanding player that some on here this we have.

[Staffsoatcake]

If he returns,he needs playing further forward & not has a defender.

[pieofpeter]

Apr 21, 2024 11:31:38 GMT sportsman said:

Apr 21, 2024 10:51:23 GMT Block 26 said:

If Hoover could defend he would be a top player. He’s brilliant going forward but has made some horrible blunders in defence for us this season.

He was unlucky with his attempt which hit the bar & his goal was very well composed.

Makes me wonder what makes him a right back instead of right midfield or wide player. He’s similar to trent

So the modern. Day full back/wing backs Their isn't many that can actually defend at all!

[AlbertTatlock]

Should we try to make his move a permanent one? Could we afford him? Are his (reported) £40k wages out of our reach? Should we use Gooch or Tchamedeu instead and use the £ elsewhere? Is he a Schumacher type player?

Of this seasons loans we have had at the club is he the best one?

Gouranga.

[jimmygscfc1234]

We’re covered at right back really once Junior is fit. Gooch can fill in as can Willmott. Can’t see Hoever being one we’d look to bring in given our glaring holes elsewhere.

[chamberlain]

Not for me , decent going forward but not a defender.

[lordb]

If the fee and wages work yes
Can't see it
Another loan?

[foxysgloves]

There’s a serious player in there.

We just need to unlock him. He’s the footballing equivalent of the enigma code.

[sticky]

No not for me, certainly young enough to improve but we’re not in a place where we can have that luxury

[Stretfordpotterer]

Apr 20, 2024 21:07:23 GMT GrahamHyde said:

I don't know but I wouldn't sign him as a first choice, good player but we need better defensively to get to where we ultimately want to be.

It’s a double edged sword isn’t it. If we think we are going to be better, even good, then Hoever is exactly what we need.

If we think we’re going to struggle then he’s a liability unless he’s having an on day where he’s able to bomb forward.

In a good team that’s winning games the attacking side to his game should theoretically be more what’s required, and he’ll have less defending to do, negating the weakness.

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Liverpool also have a 15% sell on clause, assuming that is still in place. He’s out of our price range and as much as I like him, we have enough at RB potentially already.

[mattythestokie]

We wouldn’t be able afford him anyway would we?

Wolves paid 9million for him. They’re not going to sell him on the cheap so at the minimum we’re looking at 5/6million for him. Do we have that money for a right back? Do we even want to spend that kind of money on a right back?

[Gary Hackett]

Wolves bought him for 10m and he'll be on crazy wages until 2026.

Liverpool have a 15% sell on clause.

He's not coming here permanently we simply can't afford him and even if we could afford him I wouldn't sign him because he can't defend.

[lordb]

Apr 22, 2024 18:53:51 GMT Gary Hackett said:

Wolves bought him for 10m and he'll be on crazy wages until 2026.

Liverpool have a 15% sell on clause.

He's not coming here permanently we simply can't afford him and even if we could afford him I wouldn't sign him because he can't defend.

Except when he does
Can't see it either as the money doesn't work unless it's another loan (would imagine Wolves will want a different loan) but won't be upset if he ends up here somehow