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Post by franklin on Mar 27, 2024 20:32:15 GMT
You mean like calling people mentally ill type respect. You know exactly what was meant or alluded too. If you can understand, accept and condone such behaviour fair enough……I’ll differ I’ve got different values (respect) instilled in me by my parents….. Apologies maybe you could have phrased it better to avoid me thinking how disrespectful it is calling people mentally ill because you disapprove of their behaviour.
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Post by lordb on Mar 27, 2024 20:39:06 GMT
Just off the top of my head I can think of these football related tragedies; - Bolton - Munich - Ibrox - Heysel - Bradford - Hillsborough Any individual who participates in any way whatsoever in “tragedy chanting” is mentally ill”. If identified they should face custodial sentences in secure mental health units and be ostracised by family and friends until genuine understanding and remorse is evident. Harsh, absolutely!!! There again I’m just an owde twat that was brought up by parents that demanded respect for others. Can distinctly remember Stoke fans singing Arthur Brown song 'fire' at Valley Parade sometime in the late 80's
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Post by Northy on Mar 27, 2024 20:40:38 GMT
It's a complete aside but how come one fella got fined 3 times as much as the other?! He could read ?
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Mar 27, 2024 20:53:34 GMT
It's a complete aside but how come one fella got fined 3 times as much as the other?! He could read ? Better singing voice? He sounded like Alfie Boe and the other fella was more Howard Jones
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 27, 2024 21:00:37 GMT
Better singing voice? He sounded like Alfie Boe and the other fella was more Howard Jones Howard Jones wins hands down. Although Nick Hayward knocks them both into a cocked hat
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 27, 2024 21:01:41 GMT
So is teaching youngsters the warped view of Hillsboro in Merseyside schools . Which warped view of Hillsborough are you suggesting is being taught in Merseyside schools?
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Mar 27, 2024 21:03:46 GMT
Better singing voice? He sounded like Alfie Boe and the other fella was more Howard Jones Howard Jones wins hands down. Although Nick Hayward knocks them both into a cocked hat The fine would have been astronomical had he had Hayward esque tones. Possibly prison time. His favourite prison work shirt would have been on the bed
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 27, 2024 21:05:40 GMT
Howard Jones wins hands down. Although Nick Hayward knocks them both into a cocked hat The fine would have been astronomical had he had Hayward esque tones. Possibly prison time. His favourite prison work shirt would have been on the bed Definitely Love Plus One in prison I reckon
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Mar 27, 2024 21:09:12 GMT
The fine would have been astronomical had he had Hayward esque tones. Possibly prison time. His favourite prison work shirt would have been on the bed Definitely Love Plus One in prison I reckon Spending time in the Nick takes on a new meaning
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Post by milton58 on Mar 27, 2024 21:16:00 GMT
It's all about trying to get a rise....from the opposing fans.. Cardiff and Wigan examples for stoke after the passing of sir Stan
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Post by tuum on Mar 27, 2024 21:24:15 GMT
It says they had to pay Victim Surcharges. Who exactly is (was) the victim in this case, I assume it was a specific individual who suffered some distress? What does the law say on this, does there have to be some proximity to the deceased to be distressed. Can a relative of the deceased show distress if they heard it from third parties. Where do you draw the line?
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Post by Northy on Mar 27, 2024 21:27:39 GMT
Better singing voice? He sounded like Alfie Boe and the other fella was more Howard Jones Whatever he sounded like, he'd probably like to get to know you well.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 27, 2024 21:43:28 GMT
Better singing voice? He sounded like Alfie Boe and the other fella was more Howard Jones Whatever he sounded like, he'd probably like to get to know you well. Yes Northy👌🏻
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 27, 2024 21:44:44 GMT
It says they had to pay Victim Surcharges. Who exactly is (was) the victim in this case, I assume it was a specific individual who suffered some distress? What does the law say on this, does there have to be some proximity to the deceased to be distressed. Can a relative of the deceased show distress if they heard it from third parties. Where do you draw the line? It’s basically what most people would call a load of money grabbing bollocks. It’s the way of the world unfortunately
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Post by Northy on Mar 27, 2024 21:47:56 GMT
Whatever he sounded like, he'd probably like to get to know you well. Yes Northy👌🏻 Not bad for sitting on the train heading out of Londinium after drinking draft Leffe and other stuff.
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Post by franklin on Mar 27, 2024 21:53:57 GMT
It says they had to pay Victim Surcharges. Who exactly is (was) the victim in this case, I assume it was a specific individual who suffered some distress? What does the law say on this, does there have to be some proximity to the deceased to be distressed. Can a relative of the deceased show distress if they heard it from third parties. Where do you draw the line? It goes to a pot of money that is then able to be paid by means of compo to victims of crime through things like criminal injury compensation authority so not necessarily a specific person in this case.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Mar 27, 2024 21:54:41 GMT
Can remember a few singing about the Munich air disaster in the 90’s…pot n kettle n all that🔴⚪️ It was the whole Boothen End if I remember right.
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Post by bassmaster on Mar 27, 2024 21:56:05 GMT
City City celebrate, Munich, 58
Man U Man went up in an aeroplane…
That was us, on the terraces in the 70s / 80s.
I remember it clearly, as a child and a young teen. It was ok, overt and very prominent.
We’ve grown up haven’t we…
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Post by willieeetmiout on Mar 27, 2024 21:56:50 GMT
It says they had to pay Victim Surcharges. Who exactly is (was) the victim in this case, I assume it was a specific individual who suffered some distress? What does the law say on this, does there have to be some proximity to the deceased to be distressed. Can a relative of the deceased show distress if they heard it from third parties. Where do you draw the line? It goes to a pot of money that is then able to be paid by means of compo to victims of crime through things like criminal injury compensation authority so not necessarily a specific person in this case. It goes into a government pot that then pays for victim services not compo
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Post by Scouse on Mar 27, 2024 21:57:18 GMT
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 27, 2024 22:02:09 GMT
Can remember a few singing about the Munich air disaster in the 90’s…pot n kettle n all that🔴⚪️ Doesn't make it right though. Were you never told that two wrongs don't make a right? And thirty years on you hope football supporters have evolved but it seems some haven't.
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Post by franklin on Mar 27, 2024 22:02:19 GMT
It goes to a pot of money that is then able to be paid by means of compo to victims of crime through things like criminal injury compensation authority so not necessarily a specific person in this case. It goes into a government pot that then pays for victim services not compo And towards compensation to victims of crime like I said.
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Post by tuum on Mar 27, 2024 22:04:57 GMT
No. I didn't know that. I know very little about this kind of law. I know about Contract and Tort as it applies to construction projects..that's it. Thanks for the links I will have a look.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Mar 27, 2024 22:05:45 GMT
It goes into a government pot that then pays for victim services not compo And towards compensation to victims of crime like is said. Doesn't. That's the Criminal injuries compensation board. Totally different
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 27, 2024 22:18:55 GMT
Can remember a few singing about the Munich air disaster in the 90’s…pot n kettle n all that🔴⚪️ I cant see how that is got anything to do with it? How does that justify it, or make it ok? that a very strange way of looking at it! I'm sure there are many Leeds fans out there who would not condone that, even if there are still some idiots about.
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Post by generationex on Mar 27, 2024 22:24:20 GMT
It says they had to pay Victim Surcharges. Who exactly is (was) the victim in this case, I assume it was a specific individual who suffered some distress? What does the law say on this, does there have to be some proximity to the deceased to be distressed. Can a relative of the deceased show distress if they heard it from third parties. Where do you draw the line? The surcharge is a admin fee introduced by the tories to contribute to court running costs. It’s mandatory. Often laughable with homeless crack heads but always imposed. The ‘victim’ surcharge is now usually just called the surcharge.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Mar 27, 2024 22:26:56 GMT
It says they had to pay Victim Surcharges. Who exactly is (was) the victim in this case, I assume it was a specific individual who suffered some distress? What does the law say on this, does there have to be some proximity to the deceased to be distressed. Can a relative of the deceased show distress if they heard it from third parties. Where do you draw the line? The surcharge is a admin fee introduced by the tories to contribute to court running costs. It’s mandatory. Often laughable with homeless crack heads but always imposed. The ‘victim’ surcharge is now usually just called the surcharge. That was the now abolished criminal courts charge....not the victim surcharge
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 27, 2024 22:39:26 GMT
Can remember a few singing about the Munich air disaster in the 90’s…pot n kettle n all that🔴⚪️ Doesn't make it right though. Were you never told that two wrongs don't make a right? And thirty years on you hope football supporters have evolved but it seems some haven't. Never once participated as I was too young and was with my dad at the time who was at the time pretty embarrassed…I was taught that two wrongs don’t make a right yes thank you….I just see some of the shit spouted on here by some when let’s face it they probably aren’t whiter than white and as someone alluded to that people tend to grow up🔴⚪️
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Mar 27, 2024 22:43:43 GMT
Doesn't make it right though. Were you never told that two wrongs don't make a right? And thirty years on you hope football supporters have evolved but it seems some haven't. Never once participated as I was too young and was with my dad at the time who was at the time pretty embarrassed…I was taught that two wrongs don’t make a right yes thank you….I just see some of the shit spouted on here by some when let’s face it they probably aren’t whiter than white and as someone alluded to that people tend to grow up🔴⚪️ I remember years ago a poster on here told a 9/11 joke in the bar before the game Someone posted the same joke on here a few days later and unbelievably the same poster was the first to say how sick it was. Still preaching to others !
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 27, 2024 22:45:00 GMT
Never once participated as I was too young and was with my dad at the time who was at the time pretty embarrassed…I was taught that two wrongs don’t make a right yes thank you….I just see some of the shit spouted on here by some when let’s face it they probably aren’t whiter than white and as someone alluded to that people tend to grow up🔴⚪️ I remember years ago a poster on here told a 9/11 joke in the bar before the game Someone posted the same joke on here a few days later and unbelievably the same poster was the first to say how sick it was ! Parallels Jesus🔴⚪️
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