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Post by bojanwonder on Jul 14, 2024 22:16:09 GMT
Manager should have been brave enough to have left him off the pitch today. Absolutely. That game was for Watkins all day long. Having said that, how do you drop your record scoring captain striker in the European final? It takes balls to do it that's for sure and Southgate doesn't have any!
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 14, 2024 22:16:23 GMT
Think that hides the negative es of his play. Part of Southgates formula of course but that relied on Rashford and others breaking at speed when he goes deep. Son at spurs. Great player but now past his best in my opinion and has got the sword of Damoclise (?) hanging around his neck. I thought it was meant to hang over your head (that Greek blokes sword). Anyway if heβs got it hanging around his neck it must be fookin heavy to explain his performances. Good point.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jul 14, 2024 22:18:30 GMT
Looks a shadow of his former self. Not sure if heβs injured or not conditioned right. Heβs only 30 so it shouldnβt be a legs going issue. Itβs weak management though, as itβs been like playing with 10 men all tournament. Heβs offered virtually nothing & has been so immobile. Genuinely thought he was 32
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Post by willieeetmiout on Jul 14, 2024 22:21:59 GMT
Should have dropped him 2/3 games back. He I was either injured or his legs have gone. Today he was completely ineffective, maybe for Bayern you can stroll around and hope the other ten players create a chance for you, but not in international football. He looked totally spent and couldnβt affect the game at all. Added to which his inability to press or stay high meant no out call at all. Thatβs on Southgate though, he isnβt that type of player and even less so as his legs appear to have gone. If weβd started with Watkins to harass them then who knowsβ¦.. Bit harsh to be fair. Up front on your own. Players 10-15-20 yards behind you. Stood no chance.
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Post by starkiller on Jul 14, 2024 22:22:14 GMT
The system and style is more the fault than Kane. He's hung out to dry in Southgate's style.
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Post by biddulphchav on Jul 14, 2024 22:24:28 GMT
Kane is a fantastic player, but not in this system. We donβt need a 10, we need 2 quick wingers playing off him, but coming narrow. We looked great when he was up alongside Sterling and Rashford as they can stretch the game, which turns the other teams back 4 around - something that Kane cannot do as heβs too slow.
I think the manager has to go. We donβt seem to have a set style, with or without the ball, instead we pick the best 11 and try to make it work. Tonight Spain looked like a club side in many ways, they all seemed to know their jobs, while we looked like a team of individuals. If we are going to persist with Bellingham or Foden as number 10βs, we need to drop Kane and get some pace up top.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 14, 2024 22:37:21 GMT
Unfortunately, despite his goal, I donβt think Watkins is really good enough. We desperately need a Kane replacement.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 14, 2024 22:58:33 GMT
Record scorer, could probably easily stretch that to 15-20 goals given the opposition in qualifying etc. Wouldnβt expect him to retire anytime soon, but the next manager needs to work out how to get the best from his squad, not just play his talisman regardless.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 14, 2024 23:02:44 GMT
The blokeβs fcuking useless and Iβm gutted my pre tournament opinion was vindicated
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 14, 2024 23:03:12 GMT
Absolute Jonah.
Makes the side worse.
Just a terrible team player.
Not a leader.
Total bottler.
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Post by foster on Jul 15, 2024 4:47:14 GMT
Was shite all tournament, but you can see why Southgate doesn't have the balls to drop him.
Even pundits and commentators alike haven't got the balls to criticise him or tell it like it really is.
Same applies to our other 'superstars'. They seem to avoid any proper criticism when it's warranted.
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Post by stoke1989 on Jul 15, 2024 4:58:05 GMT
Might be record scorer but he's not a patch on Rooney
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 15, 2024 5:17:29 GMT
Might be record scorer but he's not a patch on Rooney Rooney was spent when he was Kane's age. Kane had a far longer peak.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 15, 2024 5:24:38 GMT
Unfortunately, despite his goal, I donβt think Watkins is really good enough. We desperately need a Kane replacement. This is the problem, who's coming through? The two alternatives taken this tournament aren't international class. They could work as a pair, Toney and Watkins, let's become a long ball team! π
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Post by adri2008 on Jul 15, 2024 6:26:31 GMT
Kane is a fantastic player, but not in this system. We donβt need a 10, we need 2 quick wingers playing off him, but coming narrow. We looked great when he was up alongside Sterling and Rashford as they can stretch the game, which turns the other teams back 4 around - something that Kane cannot do as heβs too slow. I think the manager has to go. We donβt seem to have a set style, with or without the ball, instead we pick the best 11 and try to make it work. Tonight Spain looked like a club side in many ways, they all seemed to know their jobs, while we looked like a team of individuals. If we are going to persist with Bellingham or Foden as number 10βs, we need to drop Kane and get some pace up top. The Foden/Bellingham situation definitely has a Lampard/Gerrard feel to it and that's without throwing arguably our most effective player (Palmer) into the mix. A good time for Southgate to go really - the past 6 years have been brilliant as an England fan but time for some fresh ideas which will probably increasingly put Kane on the periphery.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 15, 2024 7:08:04 GMT
Kane is a fantastic player, but not in this system. We donβt need a 10, we need 2 quick wingers playing off him, but coming narrow. We looked great when he was up alongside Sterling and Rashford as they can stretch the game, which turns the other teams back 4 around - something that Kane cannot do as heβs too slow. I think the manager has to go. We donβt seem to have a set style, with or without the ball, instead we pick the best 11 and try to make it work. Tonight Spain looked like a club side in many ways, they all seemed to know their jobs, while we looked like a team of individuals. If we are going to persist with Bellingham or Foden as number 10βs, we need to drop Kane and get some pace up top. The Foden/Bellingham situation definitely has a Lampard/Gerrard feel to it and that's without throwing arguably our most effective player (Palmer) into the mix. A good time for Southgate to go really - the past 6 years have been brilliant as an England fan but time for some fresh ideas which will probably increasingly put Kane on the periphery. Bellingham can be discounted imo. Heβs as good deeper as he is forward so should play as a box to boxer. I still think a system around loose positions and just trusting the players to do the right thing attack wise would work best. Thereβs a notional position where someone needs to be defensively but attacking itβs do what the fuck you feel with your talent wise. So that would 4231/4222 for me. Rice Bellingham Saka Foden Palmer Gordon (I read he played false 10 for the u21s and am now obsessed with the idea) Or Rice Bellingham Foden Palmer Saka Gordon Something like that but with lots of interchanging.
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 15, 2024 7:42:57 GMT
Unfortunately, despite his goal, I donβt think Watkins is really good enough. We desperately need a Kane replacement. We don't know and the manager doesn't have the balls to play anyone else in easy qualifiers. It's shocking short term management designed to boost his own win stats and Kane's goal stats. Have Kane on the bench if things aren't going well or being him on for the last 30 if we are leathering opponents. What's the value in starting him against San Marino?
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Post by raythesailor on Jul 15, 2024 7:55:30 GMT
Tottenham did not do Harry or any favours, He wanted away and they would not let him go to another PL club and so he moved to Germany.
Missing the intensity of the PL has contributed to his lack of form.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Jul 15, 2024 8:45:16 GMT
Manager should have been brave enough to have left him off the pitch today. Absolutely. That game was for Watkins all day long. Having said that, how do you drop your record scoring captain striker in the European final? You have to be brave and recognise the importance of the match. I am sure Harry would rather have gone home with a winners medal than a runners up medal. It's a team effort, but the manager showed to much loyalty to someone who has been below par. I remember a goalkeeper being substituted for penalties in a match not to long ago. I wonder how many of us would have said he should have played kane if we hadn't played him and we had lost ? The truth is most people could see he was off his game but not the manager.
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Post by salopstick on Jul 15, 2024 12:26:14 GMT
is kanesy the new spursy?
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Post by nott1 on Jul 15, 2024 13:29:27 GMT
Absolutely. That game was for Watkins all day long. Having said that, how do you drop your record scoring captain striker in the European final? You have to be brave and recognise the importance of the match. I am sure Harry would rather have gone home with a winners medal than a runners up medal. It's a team effort, but the manager showed to much loyalty to someone who has been below par. I remember a goalkeeper being substituted for penalties in a match not to long ago. I wonder how many of us would have said he should have played kane if we hadn't played him and we had lost ? The truth is most people could see he was off his game but not the manager. Please look up too!
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