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Post by march4 on Aug 7, 2024 12:22:50 GMT
Great video. This just further shows how stupid FFP is and how select teams can completely ignore it. It’s terrible, mate. Needs scrapping with immediate effect alongside transfer windows. |
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Post by nonameface on Aug 7, 2024 12:36:49 GMT
Great video. This just further shows how stupid FFP is and how select teams can completely ignore it. It’s terrible, mate. Needs scrapping with immediate effect alongside transfer windows. Yeah. There are probably plenty on here who don’t remember a time before transfer windows. Personally don’t like how the window comes after the start to the season, for the amount of team disruption, it’s tough to see a benefit for the misalignment. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 7, 2024 12:43:48 GMT
It’s terrible, mate. Needs scrapping with immediate effect alongside transfer windows. Yeah. There are probably plenty on here who don’t remember a time before transfer windows. Personally don’t like how the window comes after the start to the season, for the amount of team disruption, it’s tough to see a benefit for the misalignment. People who moan about it would be squealing their tits off if we were having a good season and big clubs were allowed to come in and pick off our best players any time they liked. At least you can plan for the current state of affairs. |
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 7, 2024 13:00:23 GMT
Yeah. There are probably plenty on here who don’t remember a time before transfer windows. Personally don’t like how the window comes after the start to the season, for the amount of team disruption, it’s tough to see a benefit for the misalignment. People who moan about it would be squealing their tits off if we were having a good season and big clubs were allowed to come in and pick off our best players any time they liked. At least you can plan for the current state of affairs. There is that but you have to submit a 25 man squad so then have to pay them as well, if the window was scrapped you could probably cut the squad numbers thus reducing the wage bill, big clubs take the players any way with in the six month slot. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 7, 2024 13:28:44 GMT
Great video. This just further shows how stupid FFP is and how select teams can completely ignore it. It’s terrible, mate. Needs scrapping with immediate effect alongside transfer windows. Just throw that vile cheating institution and there dilapidated shit tip of a stadium out of football for good and the world will be better place.How on earth have they got £40m for covid and no explanation and relief for a self generated transaction disgusting. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 7, 2024 13:32:05 GMT
People who moan about it would be squealing their tits off if we were having a good season and big clubs were allowed to come in and pick off our best players any time they liked. At least you can plan for the current state of affairs. There is that but you have to submit a 25 man squad so then have to pay them as well, if the window was scrapped you could probably cut the squad numbers thus reducing the wage bill, big clubs take the players any way with in the six month slot. Like I said I beg to differ. I can can just imagine with no windows the wailing on here if we were on a promotion push and big clubs came in and took 3 or 4 of our best players. We'd be wading through tears if not drowning in them. 4 months stability is a lot better than 4 hours. problem with football fans is they're riven with jealousy and victim mentality. |
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 7, 2024 13:43:59 GMT
There is that but you have to submit a 25 man squad so then have to pay them as well, if the window was scrapped you could probably cut the squad numbers thus reducing the wage bill, big clubs take the players any way with in the six month slot. Like I said I beg to differ. I can can just imagine with no windows the wailing on here if we were on a promotion push and big clubs came in and took 3 or 4 of our best players. We'd be wading through tears if not drowning in them. 4 months stability is a lot better than 4 hours. problem with football fans is they're riven with jealousy and victim mentality. It's how it was prior to the window and it worked then, if you were in a position of promotion or play offs you can always say no. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 7, 2024 13:51:04 GMT
Like I said I beg to differ. I can can just imagine with no windows the wailing on here if we were on a promotion push and big clubs came in and took 3 or 4 of our best players. We'd be wading through tears if not drowning in them. 4 months stability is a lot better than 4 hours. problem with football fans is they're riven with jealousy and victim mentality. It's how it was prior to the window and it worked then, if you were in a position of promotion or play offs you can always say no. Yeah that would really work with today's players. I hope I never get that old where I think everything was better in the good old days.(and yes I'm more than old enough to remember when transfer windows didn't exist already) |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Aug 7, 2024 13:55:08 GMT
I remember the old transfer deadline day being something like the last thursday in March. Coming home from work and checking ceefax for what was going on!
One of our best was 94 when we signed Bertie, Mark Walters and Micky Adams
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 7, 2024 13:55:37 GMT
It's how it was prior to the window and it worked then, if you were in a position of promotion or play offs you can always say no. Yeah that would really work with today's players. I hope I never get that old where I think everything was better in the good old days.(and yes I'm more than old enough to remember when transfer windows didn't exist already) The system was fine before in my opinion nothing to do with the good old days. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 7, 2024 14:05:27 GMT
Yeah that would really work with today's players. I hope I never get that old where I think everything was better in the good old days.(and yes I'm more than old enough to remember when transfer windows didn't exist already) The system was fine before in my opinion nothing to do with the good old days. The system works fine as it is. Wouldn't mind it closing before the season starts if promoted clubs were exempt from it until the January window closed. Generally it's fine. You get an opportunity to build your squad and an opportunity to tweak it in January. Outside of those times you're safe from your season being derailed by transfers. |
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Post by stormin on Aug 9, 2024 17:40:15 GMT
Yeah. There are probably plenty on here who don’t remember a time before transfer windows. Personally don’t like how the window comes after the start to the season, for the amount of team disruption, it’s tough to see a benefit for the misalignment. People who moan about it would be squealing their tits off if we were having a good season and big clubs were allowed to come in and pick off our best players any time they liked. At least you can plan for the current state of affairs. I recall Man city signed Rodney Marsh toward season end it cost them the Championship |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 3, 2024 18:19:26 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 3, 2024 18:49:53 GMT
Interesting looks like the best lawyers can find a way Chelsea and Man City will be encouraged
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 3, 2024 18:50:35 GMT
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Post by hughjarse on Sept 3, 2024 19:09:24 GMT
Does this mean that there will be no points deduction and they will face no further action ? |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 3, 2024 19:12:15 GMT
Does this mean that there will be no points deduction and they will face no further action ? |
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Post by thornestein on Sept 3, 2024 19:23:43 GMT
Does this mean that there will be no points deduction and they will face no further action ? just shows what a farce ffp really is |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 3, 2024 22:16:06 GMT
Interesting looks like the best lawyers can find a way Chelsea and Man City will be encouraged In this instance the lawyers really didn't have to be that good. The Premier Leauge screwed up how the wrote the rules. When Leicester submitted their accounts they were no longer in the Premier League so successfully argued that the Premier League couldnt apply their rules for that accounting period. The Premier League tried to argue that wasn't the intent of the rules which any judge will laugh out of court - it's the actual wording that counts. No doubt they will now change the wording to close the loophole - but they can't apply any rule change retrospectively so it looks like Leicester have got away with it or rather understood and applied the rules better than the people who wrote them. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 3, 2024 22:31:28 GMT
Got away with it 20 odd years ago too.
I fuckin hate Leicester.
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Post by liathroid on Sept 3, 2024 23:53:38 GMT
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Post by idle on Sept 4, 2024 5:30:54 GMT
The Premier League tried to argue that wasn't the intent of the rules which any judge will laugh out of court - it's the actual wording that counts. That's not really how the european court system has worked for centuries, this is how the Americans do it. The "spirit of the law" has always been more important than the "letter of the law". But hey, welcome to the übercapitalistic new world we all love, where it's ok to exploit anything or anyone for a quick buck. Thanks, America! |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 4, 2024 6:29:04 GMT
The Premier League tried to argue that wasn't the intent of the rules which any judge will laugh out of court - it's the actual wording that counts. That's not really how the european court system has worked for centuries, this is how the Americans do it. The "spirit of the law" has always been more important than the "letter of the law". But hey, welcome to the übercapitalistic new world we all love, where it's ok to exploit anything or anyone for a quick buck. Thanks, America! It's nothing to do with capitalism or the spirit and the letter of the law. The Premier League wrote some rules (the rules aren't the law, they are the rules of membership of the Premier League). Leicester City, as members of the Premier League, signed up to those rules. The Premier League tried to penalise Leicester City for breaching the rules when they were no longer a member of the Premier League - the accounts they submitted were dated after they had left the League. In terms of the law the question is were Leicester City in breach of a contract they had signed with the Premier League and the answer is no they weren't because the rules don't apply when they aren't a member of the Premier League. A contract is a contract - its the wording that counts. Leicester City certainly took advantage of a loophole in the rules and the Premier League will certainly close that loophole. However the fact remains they did not breach the rules as they were written. Leiester City have a valid point - you can't expect someone to sign a contract and then get sued for breaching that contract because the body that wrote that contract decide that what they had written in the contract wasn't what they meant. It would render every contract ever written meaningless. |
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Post by idle on Sept 4, 2024 6:51:44 GMT
It's nothing to do with capitalism or the spirit and the letter of the law. The Premier League wrote some rules (the rules aren't the law, they are the rules of membership of the Premier League). Leicester City, as members of the Premier League, signed up to those rules. The Premier League tried to penalise Leicester City for breaching the rules when they were no longer a member of the Premier League - the accounts they submitted were dated after they had left the League. In terms of the law the question is were Leicester City in breach of a contract they had signed with the Premier League and the answer is no they weren't because the rules don't apply when they aren't a member of the Premier League. A contract is a contract - its the wording that counts. Leicester City certainly took advantage of a loophole in the rules and the Premier League will certainly close that loophole. However the fact remains they did not breach the rules as they were written. Leiester City have a valid point - you can't expect someone to sign a contract and then get sued for breaching that contract because the body that wrote that contract decide that what they had written in the contract wasn't what they meant. It would render every contract ever written meaningless. Fair enough, but then I would hope the contract court also takes 2021-23 into account when calculating the last three years "in the premier league" so that one year outside of it doesn't have as much impact. But knowing lawyers, they'll wiggle out of that as well. We can't have it so that relegation (or promotion in the EFL case, although you get too rich to be impacted) resets any contract when it comes to FFP rules. Either that or get rid of FFP. But my point still stands. The greedy leeches that are football club owners/directors/agents are exploiting every loophole imaginable, totally disregarding any spirit or morals others are trying to live by. I'm getting to the point where I'm losing interest because of it. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 4, 2024 7:10:29 GMT
Again.
Imagine using a loophole to get around financial mismanagement.
You wouldn’t catch us doing such a thing……
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Post by idle on Sept 4, 2024 7:30:12 GMT
No, we're sooo much better with our loan stadium and righteous owners and sponsors...
Hence my last sentence in the post above.
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 4, 2024 8:02:26 GMT
Great video. This just further shows how stupid FFP is and how select teams can completely ignore it. I don't know whether it's reassuring to know how corrupt football is or completely fucking annoying. |
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Post by dexter97 on Sept 4, 2024 13:17:34 GMT
Got away with it 20 odd years ago too. I fuckin hate Leicester. Be careful repeating that within earshot of fans of the Foxes. You'll have to put up with all manner of intellectual gymnastics and mathematical contortionism in their efforts to explain how it wasn't really cheating and their creditors got all their money back. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 4, 2024 14:00:14 GMT
It's nothing to do with capitalism or the spirit and the letter of the law. The Premier League wrote some rules (the rules aren't the law, they are the rules of membership of the Premier League). Leicester City, as members of the Premier League, signed up to those rules. The Premier League tried to penalise Leicester City for breaching the rules when they were no longer a member of the Premier League - the accounts they submitted were dated after they had left the League. In terms of the law the question is were Leicester City in breach of a contract they had signed with the Premier League and the answer is no they weren't because the rules don't apply when they aren't a member of the Premier League. A contract is a contract - its the wording that counts. Leicester City certainly took advantage of a loophole in the rules and the Premier League will certainly close that loophole. However the fact remains they did not breach the rules as they were written. Leiester City have a valid point - you can't expect someone to sign a contract and then get sued for breaching that contract because the body that wrote that contract decide that what they had written in the contract wasn't what they meant. It would render every contract ever written meaningless. Fair enough, but then I would hope the contract court also takes 2021-23 into account when calculating the last three years "in the premier league" so that one year outside of it doesn't have as much impact. But knowing lawyers, they'll wiggle out of that as well. We can't have it so that relegation (or promotion in the EFL case, although you get too rich to be impacted) resets any contract when it comes to FFP rules. Either that or get rid of FFP. But my point still stands. The greedy leeches that are football club owners/directors/agents are exploiting every loophole imaginable, totally disregarding any spirit or morals others are trying to live by. I'm getting to the point where I'm losing interest because of it. It is wrong that the year Leicester got relegated wasn't counted because they submitted the accounts after they were no longer members of the league. It really shouldn't be a big deal for the Premier League to close that loophole in their rules. It was stupid of them to write them the way they did but it isn't Leicester City's fault the rules are crap - why should they be docked points for someone else's incompetence? If anyone found themselves in an equivalent situation with respect to a contract they would do the same. |
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 4, 2024 15:48:56 GMT
Fair enough, but then I would hope the contract court also takes 2021-23 into account when calculating the last three years "in the premier league" so that one year outside of it doesn't have as much impact. But knowing lawyers, they'll wiggle out of that as well. We can't have it so that relegation (or promotion in the EFL case, although you get too rich to be impacted) resets any contract when it comes to FFP rules. Either that or get rid of FFP. But my point still stands. The greedy leeches that are football club owners/directors/agents are exploiting every loophole imaginable, totally disregarding any spirit or morals others are trying to live by. I'm getting to the point where I'm losing interest because of it. It is wrong that the year Leicester got relegated wasn't counted because they submitted the accounts after they were no longer members of the league. It really shouldn't be a big deal for the Premier League to close that loophole in their rules. It was stupid of them to write them the way they did but it isn't Leicester City's fault the rules are crap - why should they be docked points for someone else's incompetence? If anyone found themselves in an equivalent situation with respect to a contract they would do the same. Not that I like it or am some secret fan of Leicester, but took the time to actually read up on this last week and you're right imho - It's the PL's own damned fault for leaky wording. Actually think they intentionally do some of this (tin foil hat on) because with the lawyers they can afford, it would leave only sheer incompetence, laziness and stupidity as the driving force behind it. With the number of yo-yo clubs, you'd think they would have sealed this up a long time ago. |
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