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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 7, 2024 19:55:51 GMT
Nothing I didn’t already know mate😉 All I have learned is that if you mention anything about Israel, several people will immediately say “yeh but apartheid” regardless of what you are talking about, and then say you are defending Israel if you don’t join in talking about apartheid! I'm surprised you haven't been called a Nazi yet.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 7, 2024 19:56:22 GMT
All I have learned is that if you mention anything about Israel, several people will immediately say “yeh but apartheid” regardless of what you are talking about, and then say you are defending Israel if you don’t join in talking about apartheid! I'm surprised you haven't been called a Nazi yet. There’s still time
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 7, 2024 19:56:26 GMT
Leftist Vs Leftist. Beautiful. I think you’ll find I am somewhere right of Hitler according to the contributors to this thread.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 7, 2024 19:56:43 GMT
With respect Oggy, I think you've spent all afternoon arguing your point from a position of ignorance. There are numerous books, newspaper articles and YouTube documentaries you can watch about settler violence, murder and theft of Arab homes and lands, to bring yourself up to speed. (Wanabee even provided you with an entire report from Amnesty International, in the hope that you might educate yourself on the subject a little). I don't need to read somebody's mind to have a pretty fair idea about what Israeli settlers think about apartheid. If you had said in the 80's, that you would need to be a mind reader to know what Afrikana Nationalists thought about apartheid, you would have (quite rightly) been laughed out of the room. My point was you cannot call all Israelis racist because of their leaders. You, and Wannabee, have continued to go off on a tangent on a separate subject about apartheid. Despite me agreeing with how awful the situation is, I am then told I am putting up a bombastic defence of Israel! It's amazing how it feels when the boot is on the other foot 😘
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 7, 2024 19:56:52 GMT
All I have learned is that if you mention anything about Israel, several people will immediately say “yeh but apartheid” regardless of what you are talking about, and then say you are defending Israel if you don’t join in talking about apartheid! I'm surprised you haven't been called a Nazi yet. I’ve pretty much just called myself one
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 7, 2024 19:57:26 GMT
My point was you cannot call all Israelis racist because of their leaders. You, and Wannabee, have continued to go off on a tangent on a separate subject about apartheid. Despite me agreeing with how awful the situation is, I am then told I am putting up a bombastic defence of Israel! It's amazing how it feels when the boot is on the other foot 😘 That made me spill my tea
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 7, 2024 20:01:31 GMT
My point was you cannot call all Israelis racist because of their leaders. You, and Wannabee, have continued to go off on a tangent on a separate subject about apartheid. Despite me agreeing with how awful the situation is, I am then told I am putting up a bombastic defence of Israel! It's amazing how it feels when the boot is on the other foot 😘 Tell that to Adam Hills
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 7, 2024 20:02:31 GMT
With respect Oggy, I think you've spent all afternoon arguing your point from a position of ignorance. There are numerous books, newspaper articles and YouTube documentaries you can watch about settler violence, murder and theft of Arab homes and lands, to bring yourself up to speed. (Wanabee even provided you with an entire report from Amnesty International, in the hope that you might educate yourself on the subject a little). I don't need to read somebody's mind to have a pretty fair idea about what Israeli settlers think about apartheid. If you had said in the 80's, that you would need to be a mind reader to know what Afrikana Nationalists thought about apartheid, you would have (quite rightly) been laughed out of the room. My point was you cannot call all Israelis racist because of their leaders. Well you've been wasting your's and everybody else's time then because (and for the millionth time) NOBODY on here has suggested as much.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 7, 2024 20:09:25 GMT
It's amazing how it feels when the boot is on the other foot 😘 Tell that to Adam Hills Your reputation is well deserved.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 7, 2024 20:09:54 GMT
My point was you cannot call all Israelis racist because of their leaders. Well you've been wasting your's and everybody else's time then because (and for the millionth time) NOBODY on here has suggested as much. But you're all so intelligent surely 🤷
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 7, 2024 20:17:22 GMT
Your reputation is well deserved. What reputation?😏
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 7, 2024 20:21:06 GMT
Well you've been wasting your's and everybody else's time then because (and for the millionth time) NOBODY on here has suggested as much. But you're all so intelligent surely 🤷 Well my excuse is that I've got a slipped disc and haven't been out of bed all day! 😁
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 7, 2024 20:21:46 GMT
But you're all so intelligent surely 🤷 Well my excuse is that I've got a slipped disc and haven't been out of bed all day! 😁 Lazy bastard
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 7, 2024 20:34:04 GMT
Your reputation is well deserved. What reputation?😏
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 7, 2024 20:37:58 GMT
Leftist Vs Leftist. Beautiful. Oggy’s a Lib Dem. They’re even less popular than Netanyahu…..
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 7, 2024 20:39:32 GMT
Leftist Vs Leftist. Beautiful. Oggy’s a Lib Dem. They’re even less popular than Netanyahu…..
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 7, 2024 20:40:56 GMT
Leftist Vs Leftist. Beautiful. Oggy’s a Lib Dem. They’re even less popular than Netanyahu….. What's a lib dem if not Leftist then (excuse my ignorance)? I know he sucks Ed Davey off. Must have a load of stamps to use up before the Post Office goes under.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 7, 2024 20:52:41 GMT
Oggy’s a Lib Dem. They’re even less popular than Netanyahu….. What's a lib dem if not Leftist then (excuse my ignorance)? I know he sucks Ed Davey off. Must have a load of stamps to use up before the Post Office goes under. . Lib Dems are centrists. With the exception of Charles Kennedy who was to the left of Blair’s Labour at the time…..
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 7, 2024 20:56:38 GMT
What's a lib dem if not Leftist then (excuse my ignorance)? I know he sucks Ed Davey off. Must have a load of stamps to use up before the Post Office goes under. . Lib Dems are centrists. With the exception of Charles Kennedy who was to the left of Blair’s Labour at the time….. Blair's Labour were right of Thatcher.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 7, 2024 21:15:51 GMT
. Lib Dems are centrists. With the exception of Charles Kennedy who was to the left of Blair’s Labour at the time….. Blair's Labour were right of Thatcher. Them were the days
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Post by gawa on Mar 7, 2024 21:47:04 GMT
What's a lib dem if not Leftist then (excuse my ignorance)? I know he sucks Ed Davey off. Must have a load of stamps to use up before the Post Office goes under. . Lib Dems are centrists. With the exception of Charles Kennedy who was to the left of Blair’s Labour at the time….. I'd make an argument for them being further left than starmers labour at the moment.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 7, 2024 21:50:16 GMT
. Lib Dems are centrists. With the exception of Charles Kennedy who was to the left of Blair’s Labour at the time….. I'd make an argument for them being further left than starmers labour at the moment. Who knows what they stand for? They're virtually invisible these days.......
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 7, 2024 21:51:03 GMT
My point was you cannot call all Israelis racist because of their leaders. Well you've been wasting your's and everybody else's time then because (and for the millionth time) NOBODY on here has suggested as much. Galloway (the subject of this thread) wouldn’t debate an Israeli which is how it came up.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 7, 2024 21:52:50 GMT
I'd make an argument for them being further left than starmers labour at the moment. Who knows what they stand for? They're virtually invisible these days....... I would start a thread to enlighten you but for some reason I don’t think it would be taken seriously (even though they have the best policies of the current crop of parties)
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 7, 2024 21:53:51 GMT
Who knows what they stand for? They're virtually invisible these days....... I would start a thread to enlighten you but for some reason I don’t think it would be taken seriously (even though they have the best policies of the current crop of parties) You tell em Oggy, these lefties haven’t got a scooby
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 7, 2024 22:01:00 GMT
I'd make an argument for them being further left than starmers labour at the moment. Who knows what they stand for? They're virtually invisible these days....... Higher stamp prices I think
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 7, 2024 22:14:59 GMT
Who knows what they stand for? They're virtually invisible these days....... I would start a thread to enlighten you but for some reason I don’t think it would be taken seriously (even though they have the best policies of the current crop of parties) knock yourself out mate, I'd love to be enlightened........
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 7, 2024 22:17:04 GMT
I would start a thread to enlighten you but for some reason I don’t think it would be taken seriously (even though they have the best policies of the current crop of parties) knock yourself out mate, I'd love to be enlightened........ Tough gig that is. Enlightening the almighty
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 7, 2024 22:27:26 GMT
Well you've been wasting your's and everybody else's time then because (and for the millionth time) NOBODY on here has suggested as much. Galloway (the subject of this thread) wouldn’t debate an Israeli which is how it came up. And you (in your ignorance of the sublect) presumed it was because he was being racist and it's been explained to you ad infinitum by numerous people on here and Galloway himself, that it was because of what the student believed - which is indeed how apartheid came up. Would you debate with a pedophile about the rights and wrong of pedophilia? I would sincerely hope you wouldn't and for a lot of people, apartheid and everything that accompanies it, is as bad as pedophilia. Galloway explained to you that he was working with JEWISH members of the ANC to end apartheid, how could he then be racist against Jews?
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Post by wannabee on Mar 7, 2024 22:53:17 GMT
Well you've been wasting your's and everybody else's time then because (and for the millionth time) NOBODY on here has suggested as much. Galloway (the subject of this thread) wouldn’t debate an Israeli which is how it came up. Like Paul said in an earlier Post I thought your initial intransigence was due to ignorance When you were then presented with irrefutable evidence of the Israel’s State Apartheid and Racist Laws and Policies you pivoted to a position that not every Israeli follows Apartheid or is a Racist, of course you were the only one that introduced this concept and while people agree as it impossible to prove one way or the other, it's a classic Straw Man Argument. You also introduced Galloway not debating an Israeli as proof of Galloway's Anti-semitism When it was explained to you the reason and consistency of Galloway's position you withdrew Anti-semitism and settled for Racist Your latest posts are aimed trivialise the discourse If you wish to defend any actions by Israel Government no matter how egregious that's not a unique position and there are millions of people that hold the same position, but it would be more honest to do that upfront rather than Gaslighting and going down Rabbit Holes.
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