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Post by Biblical on Dec 15, 2023 9:41:19 GMT
I’ll reserve judgement for now but Eustace just doesn’t inspire me at all.
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Post by mano00001 on Dec 15, 2023 9:41:38 GMT
If JE was our first choice what has taken so long to appoint him. Very poor appointment and I can us in the same situation in less than 12 months time. Embarrasing.
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Post by 16quidachuck on Dec 15, 2023 9:42:07 GMT
When will we ever fucking learn. I'm done. Good luck to the bloke.
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Post by stokeypenn89 on Dec 15, 2023 9:42:32 GMT
If its Eustace...who does everyone want this time next year?
Joking aside, he could do really well but on the face of it, it just seems like a groundhog day appointment.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 15, 2023 9:42:50 GMT
Read this thread - loads of people are asking for a personality and the non existent bond between pitch and stands is down to the players - the managers job is to sort out the bond between him and the players. I disagree that it comes solely from the players. Football management, like any form of leadership, is partially about perception and image. It’s clear from reading this thread that the next manager’s number one client (us!) wants something to get excited about and not another cab off the rank. Whether that’s fair on John Eustace is another question, it’s just my assessment. My point is that the perception and image required to enthuse thousands of random people isn't the same as the perception and image required to enthuse 20-30 professional footballers and it's a mistake to think that the manager has to be good at the front of house shit. It's the players who are front of house - a perfectly good manager needs to have the skills to enthuse the players, if they are good front of house that's a bonus, it really isn't essential.
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Post by chell_rosey on Dec 15, 2023 9:42:57 GMT
You can't force the fans emotions though however much you try and the harsh facts are the crowd on Tuesday was sparse, flat and ready to turn. John Eustace and the likes are not going to bring them racing back to the ground and have it rocking. It simply has to be someone and something different than the 'mean' Coates style appointment. But by the same token, you can only appoint who you can appoint. We might have exhausted all the "exciting" options that the fans want, and they don't want to come or it doesn't fit financially. We're 20th in the Championship, we are going to get who we get. I'm not as sold on Nuno as many appear to be, but can see that he would at least probably unite and excite at least initially. I was on the Nuno bandwagon but, you're right, we appear a basket case and are probably not as attractive or as financially able due to FFP as we think.
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 15, 2023 9:44:06 GMT
Well John Eustace has managed 63 time professionally with a win rate of 33.33% and our board potentially think this is what is needed to sort the mess out,stabalise our club and get us promotion. Really??
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Post by shrewspotter on Dec 15, 2023 9:44:58 GMT
Christ some of the commnents are well over the top, i would have prefered Nuno and possibly Carsley myself.
Give the bloke a chance FFS, he did well at Brum and might do very well here with a bigger budget etc
Get behind him and stop being a bunch of melts
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Post by silsdenstokie on Dec 15, 2023 9:45:15 GMT
Eustace just might get us promoted some day,but I dont think he could keep us up, unlike Nuno who could & would Nuno woukdnt have the same resources/access to players here as he did at Wolves Not saying he woukdnt get us up but dont think its as clearcut as some are making out
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Post by silsdenstokie on Dec 15, 2023 9:46:16 GMT
Well John Eustace has managed 63 time professionally with a win rate of 33.33% and our board potentially think this is what is needed to sort the mess out,stabalise our club and get us promotion. Really?? Context mate, youve got to look at the circumstances he was working under at Brum
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 15, 2023 9:46:53 GMT
Eustace just might get us promoted some day,but I dont think he could keep us up, unlike Nuno who could & would Nuno woukdnt have the same resources/access to players here as he did at Wolves Not saying he woukdnt get us up but dont think its as clearcut as some are making out Why wouldn't he? We've more money than anyone bar a few.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Dec 15, 2023 9:47:17 GMT
Eustace just might get us promoted some day,but I dont think he could keep us up, unlike Nuno who could & would Nuno woukdnt have the same resources/access to players here as he did at Wolves Not saying he woukdnt get us up but dont think its as clearcut as some are making out Nuno would also cost us a lot more financially is it is the case....Still it was worth a 25+ page thread I suppose
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Post by neddy on Dec 15, 2023 9:48:28 GMT
You’d have to think being interviewed by JC and Tricky would be particularly uninspiring! JC May have money but would he really attract a great potential candidate?
The other bloke comes over as a used car salesman. Just not professional enough.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Dec 15, 2023 9:49:34 GMT
Nuno woukdnt have the same resources/access to players here as he did at Wolves Not saying he woukdnt get us up but dont think its as clearcut as some are making out Why wouldn't he? We've more money than anyone bar a few. FFP and we woukdnt have access to Jorge Mendez
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 15, 2023 9:49:44 GMT
Not giving the next manager a chance is really poor behaviour. He's not my choice but if you don't get behind him then he's destined to fail, unless you want that for some strange reason.
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Post by chigstoke on Dec 15, 2023 9:50:21 GMT
It does have the feel of Appointment Day for Eustace. Yep, that's definitely got Stoke City written all over it. It it's SJE, all you can say is best of luck to him and give him the support he needs from the off.
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Post by chamberlain on Dec 15, 2023 9:50:41 GMT
I would have liked Nuno too but, bringing in all his backroom staff and getting rid of the present lot would surely have left less money to be spent on transfers. Would people be happy with that ?
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 15, 2023 9:51:13 GMT
Why wouldn't he? We've more money than anyone bar a few. FFP and we woukdnt have access to Jorge Mendez Why wouldn't we get access to agents? Wolves did when in the Championship. We're no different.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2023 9:51:20 GMT
Who’d have thunk that when scouring the world for a progressive coach who’ll get our squad to play to its potential and who has a vision for getting us promoted out of this hellhole was just sitting, twiddling his thumbs a few miles down the M6? An amazing coincidence.
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Post by savagescfc on Dec 15, 2023 9:51:37 GMT
Pulis wasn’t received very well on either appointment and Hughes was probably the most unpopular choice I can remember in recent times. Both worked out well. Yes Hughes didn’t end well, and started the mess we’re in now, but I’d take those 3 years again and again.
Eustace is not an inspiring appointment or one that will enthuse fans but if it is him then the only chance of him succeeding is with the fans support. It might just be an unexpected masterstroke, only time will tell.
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Post by shakermaker on Dec 15, 2023 9:52:08 GMT
We do indeed need a lift as do the players, Nuno ticks both boxes, he has the gravitas, the track record and a personality to inspire. Settling for Eustace will feel just all too familiar, more of the same, safe, stodgy and unimaginative appointment regardless whether that’s a fair assessment or not. For me he’s another in a long line of beige managers touted and relatively untested and fairly inexperienced too boot. This next managerial appointment is crucial and may define us for years to come, we need to be bold and pull out all the stops for the best we can get. And you know he isn't the best we can get? I'd I've liked Nuno as much as anyone but if his demands are beyond us than it can't happen. Carsley would be a brilliant coach but given our structure could well have baulked at the actual job he was being offered and (rightly) pulled out. Eustace saved Birmingham, firm candidates for relegation last season, from the drop and took them to 6th place before thier owners decided to "pull out all the stops" and get a big name in. They are now 16th. Given where we are Eustace is a pretty good fit - he was unlucky at Birmingham not to be given the chance to show what he could do having put in the hard graft last season. He's shown he can steer a club away from relegation - and that has to be the priority this season given where we are - and is bound to have the drive to prove what he can do given what happened to him at Birmingham. I'm not thrilled at the prospect of Eustace in the same way as I am about others on the list but there are definitely some sound reasons for appointing him given his recent track record and where we are and it's lazy to say it's just a same old same old appointment just because he's British and not a big name. And what happened to other, proven free agents like Jokanović? It really makes you wonder how far the net was cast here, and that Eustace was the man they wanted all along! Brum weren’t really relegation fodder last season – they had some very good players in that team. He merely achieved what you’d expect – beige and comfortable mid-table mediocrity. The only thing I have to hang my hat on for Eustace is that in his 10 games this season, he had Brum third in the table for Expected Points (24 expected as opposed to the 18 he achieved). I just can’t describe how deflated I’m feeling right now.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 15, 2023 9:53:33 GMT
Not giving the next manager a chance is really poor behaviour. He's not my choice but if you don't get behind him then he's destined to fail, unless you want that for some strange reason. Any new manager will be given a chance but it's all underwhelming after talks of Nuno and JDT. We're in danger of becoming a laughing stock. Good luck to whoever but if this appointment fails then the Coates's have to consider selling up. Just having a few quid doesn't automatically make them fit for purpose. Anyway, nothing confirmed yet so let's see.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Dec 15, 2023 9:53:39 GMT
Goarnnnn John!
It was only ever going to be Eustace.
I'm certainly not against the appointment. I think he'll be a good fit. I just worry about how much time the fans will give him after getting their hopes up following years and years and years of utter dross. He has to hit the ground running.
I'd rather an announcement post-West Brom, or at least let Gallagher do West Brom amd Eustace come in next week ahead of two piss easy games.
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Post by neddy on Dec 15, 2023 9:53:46 GMT
Not giving the next manager a chance is really poor behaviour. He's not my choice but if you don't get behind him then he's destined to fail, unless you want that for some strange reason. I never want any manager they appoint to fail and usually everyone backs a new man. But having seen them come and go this has a negative feel to it. They say you need to get lucky with manager appointments so let’s hope he does a Pulis who was not wanted by many me included.
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Post by flea79 on Dec 15, 2023 9:54:11 GMT
I think the next two months will be crucial in the renewals stakes. I know a few who nearly didn't last year. I'm talking 40 years plus ST holders. We desperately need something to hang on to. i was on the fence about renewing this season and did it, wish i hadnt if the next manager turns too shit regardless of who it is i will be having a season off, i dont take much joy in games anymore and it feels a chore
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Post by neddy on Dec 15, 2023 9:54:35 GMT
I would have liked Nuno too but, bringing in all his backroom staff and getting rid of the present lot would surely have left less money to be spent on transfers. Would people be happy with that ? Do you think Eustace will attract players?
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Post by neddy on Dec 15, 2023 9:56:33 GMT
Goarnnnn John! It was only ever going to be Eustace. I'm certainly not against the appointment. I think he'll be a good fit. I just worry about how much time the fans will give him after getting their hopes up following years and years and years of utter dross. He has to hit the ground running. I'd rather an announcement post-West Brom, or at least let Gallagher do West Brom amd Eustace come in next week ahead of two piss easy games. They will probably keep Gally re cost and make Eustace have him?
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Post by Marc01 on Dec 15, 2023 9:56:35 GMT
I can confirm that SJE will soon regrow his beard.
Jon Coates and Ricky are currently acquiring their Spirit of (Nuno) Santo Claus beards to present the next Stoke boss.🎅🙂
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Post by windows1 on Dec 15, 2023 9:57:27 GMT
Problem with Eustace is if it does not work AGAIN then it’s Coates out. If he pushed the boat, changed his ways and employed someone different fans would have given the benefit of the doubt. Eustace is so underwhelming, and once it starts going to shit… which it will… he’s not got enough experience or backing to turn it around. He’s literally got to hit the ground running and not stop
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Post by stokeykez on Dec 15, 2023 9:57:50 GMT
There is such a deathly hush out of media outlets including sentinel.
Either they have got a clue or haven't got a care.
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