Wilmot

[hoppo96]

if we were to build a good side he'd be in it. If we were to be promoted somehow he'd be playing in the premier league.

[kerouac]

Sept 26, 2023 19:57:43 GMT chuckrocky said:

His part in Hull’s first goal wasn’t even his worst mistake on Sunday. His blind pass across our penalty area straight to a Hull player just sums him up for me.

He’s incapable of getting through a game without making at least one catastrophic error.

Absolutely this.The stats don’t show how inept he was trying to tackle the scorer,or the amount of suicidal passes he gives away….like you say,he’s an accident waiting to happen every single game no matter what position he’s played.
I just don’t get the love in I’m afraid .

[numpty40]

Sept 26, 2023 20:59:44 GMT Gary Hackett said:

Sept 26, 2023 20:53:28 GMT vidigal7 said:

Attacking wise Two assists and a goal for Ben so far this season, seems to be a threat in both boxes haha.

In all seriousness though, when we signed Wilmott I'm sure it was said he can do a job in Defensive midfield if needed.

Considering we're like a sieve at the back and in need of a left footer and a more cohesive pairing would it be worth (Until January) giving Burger a run at left centre back alongside Rose or Mcnally and Wilmott in a defensive mid role?

We Should have Baker coming back soon aswell that could fill in for Burger centre mid

I've seen nothing from to Burger to suggest he's a defender.

I'm really hoping there is something that suggests that Burger is a midfield player.

[stokesaint1]

Sept 26, 2023 19:32:01 GMT numpty40 said:

Sept 26, 2023 19:24:49 GMT @ontheup said:

The game turned on his mistake on Sunday. It doesn't matter how good his long passing is if he keeps making school boy mistakes. All he needed to do was poke it out for a corner and they don't score their first.

He does lots of good things but he makes way too many bad mistakes or bad decisions that get us in to trouble.

Wilmot didn't do well on that goal and I'd say that was the worst game I've seen Wilmot in a Stoke shirt, but... the keeper should have come and claimed that.

Yes, Wilmot didn't cover himself in glory but where exactly was the left back/wing back, who should have been somewhere near Bidace? Not even in the picture. Put that goal down primarily to some pillock playing an attacking midfield player at LB/LWB.

[roylandstoke]

Sept 26, 2023 20:20:52 GMT @ontheup said:

Sept 26, 2023 20:07:17 GMT roylandstoke said:

He’s one of several players who aren’t performing up to their true level because our manager seems unable to play them in a position that suits their skill set.
We have an unbalanced squad that has only one left sided defender.

Too many square pegs in round holes.

If you play a back four you only need one left footer. Many of the great CB pairings have been both right footers. These are highly paid pros. Their left foot should be more than just for standing on.

Some very good LBs have also been right footed. Paulo Maldini wasn't too shabby.

We only have one left footer.
He's injured.

We don't have any great defenders.
I am not sure how any of our players can be compared to Maldini.

Maradona was possibly the best player ever and only used his right foot to stand on; not sure this is an argument for just playing left footed players in every position.

[kerouac]

Sept 26, 2023 21:01:48 GMT vidigal7 said:

Sept 26, 2023 20:59:44 GMT Gary Hackett said:

I've seen nothing from to Burger to suggest he's a defender.

No neither have I but we havn't seen him there and neither Wilmott in Defensive mid for that matter. We were told both could do both

I ve had this conversation a few times, I've always thought Ben would make a decent defensive mid.

According to my Stevenage supporting mate,that’s where he played with them and was very effective.
He’s certainly not a defender.

[bayernoatcake]

Sept 26, 2023 21:04:45 GMT hoppo96 said:

if we were to build a good side he'd be in it. If we were to be promoted somehow he'd be playing in the premier league.

If is doing a lot of fucking work there haha

[vidigal7]

Sept 26, 2023 21:10:34 GMT kerouac said:

Sept 26, 2023 21:01:48 GMT vidigal7 said:

No neither have I but we havn't seen him there and neither Wilmott in Defensive mid for that matter. We were told both could do both

I ve had this conversation a few times, I've always thought Ben would make a decent defensive mid.

According to my Stevenage supporting mate,that’s where he played with them and was very effective.
He’s certainly not a defender.

Interesting

[bayernoatcake]

Sept 26, 2023 21:09:16 GMT stokesaint1 said:

Sept 26, 2023 19:32:01 GMT numpty40 said:

Wilmot didn't do well on that goal and I'd say that was the worst game I've seen Wilmot in a Stoke shirt, but... the keeper should have come and claimed that.

Yes, Wilmot didn't cover himself in glory but where exactly was the left back/wing back, who should have been somewhere near Bidace? Not even in the picture. Put that goal down primarily to some pillock playing an attacking midfield player at LB/LWB.

He just had to boot it in row z. He had numerous chances to do it.

It was basic stuff.

These excuses are painful yet hilarious.

[kerouac]

Sept 26, 2023 21:09:16 GMT stokesaint1 said:

Sept 26, 2023 19:32:01 GMT numpty40 said:

Wilmot didn't do well on that goal and I'd say that was the worst game I've seen Wilmot in a Stoke shirt, but... the keeper should have come and claimed that.

Yes, Wilmot didn't cover himself in glory but where exactly was the left back/wing back, who should have been somewhere near Bidace? Not even in the picture. Put that goal down primarily to some pillock playing an attacking midfield player at LB/LWB.

We should have players capable of covering and adapting to the situation in any position …look at Citeh for gods sake.

[vidigal7]

Sept 26, 2023 20:59:44 GMT Gary Hackett said:

Sept 26, 2023 20:53:28 GMT vidigal7 said:

Attacking wise Two assists and a goal for Ben so far this season, seems to be a threat in both boxes haha.

In all seriousness though, when we signed Wilmott I'm sure it was said he can do a job in Defensive midfield if needed.

Considering we're like a sieve at the back and in need of a left footer and a more cohesive pairing would it be worth (Until January) giving Burger a run at left centre back alongside Rose or Mcnally and Wilmott in a defensive mid role?

We Should have Baker coming back soon aswell that could fill in for Burger centre mid

I've seen nothing from to Burger to suggest he's a defender.

Thinking on, I've seen burger trying to orchastrate in midfield, would he control a back line? He's also been captain at Basel and Holland U21's I believe which suggests he offers some sort of leadership.


We can't keep winging it in centre defence until January can we, it must be worth a look

[numpty40]

Sept 26, 2023 21:09:16 GMT stokesaint1 said:

Sept 26, 2023 19:32:01 GMT numpty40 said:

Wilmot didn't do well on that goal and I'd say that was the worst game I've seen Wilmot in a Stoke shirt, but... the keeper should have come and claimed that.

Yes, Wilmot didn't cover himself in glory but where exactly was the left back/wing back, who should have been somewhere near Bidace? Not even in the picture. Put that goal down primarily to some pillock playing an attacking midfield player at LB/LWB.

I agree, but the consensus at the moment seems to be to blame Wilmot for every goal no matter what happens in the build up. He was blamed for the Norwich away goal even though he was marking the centre forward and Burger let the right back run straight past him to score from 3 yards out.

[mrnovember]

Sept 26, 2023 21:04:45 GMT hoppo96 said:

if we were to build a good side he'd be in it. If we were to be promoted somehow he'd be playing in the premier league.

"Okay fingers on your buzzers. For £1000. We asked a hundred people: Which Championship defender should be playing in The Premier League?"
*Buzzer sounds*
"Ben Wilmot"
"Ben Wilmot you say? Okay, if it's up there, I'll give you the money myself"

In all seriousness, I get your angle. I like Ben too. He's a likeable player. He hasn't half got a clanger in him though. Seems to switch off when it matters. We need better.

[bayernoatcake]

Sept 26, 2023 21:18:20 GMT numpty40 said:

Sept 26, 2023 21:09:16 GMT stokesaint1 said:

Yes, Wilmot didn't cover himself in glory but where exactly was the left back/wing back, who should have been somewhere near Bidace? Not even in the picture. Put that goal down primarily to some pillock playing an attacking midfield player at LB/LWB.

I agree, but the consensus at the moment seems to be to blame Wilmot for every goal no matter what happens in the build up. He was blamed for the Norwich away goal even though he was marking the centre forward and Burger let the right back run straight past him to score from 3 yards out.

Yeah imagine holding your centre half account for a goal where the ball bounces closest to him in the 6 yard box and he’s flat footed as fuck and isn’t anticipating what might happen.

[PotterLog]

Sept 26, 2023 21:10:34 GMT kerouac said:

Sept 26, 2023 21:01:48 GMT vidigal7 said:

No neither have I but we havn't seen him there and neither Wilmott in Defensive mid for that matter. We were told both could do both

I ve had this conversation a few times, I've always thought Ben would make a decent defensive mid.

According to my Stevenage supporting mate,that’s where he played with them and was very effective.
He’s certainly not a defender.

Well if it’s good enough for Stevenage…

[benjaminbiscuit]

 The new Joe Allen , whatever is wrong wilmot is part of the solution not the problem , he’s one of not the best championship outfield player we have 

insert quote here

[stokesaint1]

Sept 26, 2023 21:13:27 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Sept 26, 2023 21:09:16 GMT stokesaint1 said:

Yes, Wilmot didn't cover himself in glory but where exactly was the left back/wing back, who should have been somewhere near Bidace? Not even in the picture. Put that goal down primarily to some pillock playing an attacking midfield player at LB/LWB.

He just had to boot it in row z. He had numerous chances to do it.

It was basic stuff.

These excuses are painful yet hilarious.

Sorry Bayern, I clean forgot that you are the only one entitled to an opinion on "your private" message board. I'll try and remember in future.

[bayernoatcake]

Sept 26, 2023 21:32:45 GMT stokesaint1 said:

Sept 26, 2023 21:13:27 GMT bayernoatcake said:

He just had to boot it in row z. He had numerous chances to do it.

It was basic stuff.

These excuses are painful yet hilarious.

Sorry Bayern, I clean forgot that you are the only one entitled to an opinion on "your private" message board. I'll try and remember in future.

You can have an opinion. But a professional defender who has three or more chances to twat a ball out and fails to do it cannot be defended. It’s laughable.

[lordb]

Sept 26, 2023 19:23:01 GMT Pugsley said:

Sept 26, 2023 19:01:53 GMT terrorofturfmoor said:

Probably because he's a good player!!!

Is he?

His stats say he is
Imho yes he's decent
Terrible last time out mind

[boskampsflaps]

Sept 26, 2023 20:41:51 GMT willieeetmiout said:

Sept 26, 2023 19:36:26 GMT bayernoatcake said:

He’s awful and has been since he got here.

Alls this proves is that stats aren’t worth shit.

The first goal sums him up.

I don't like Wilmot but for balance this is why I cant cope

Ben Wilmot ratings this season:

Stoke 4-1 Rotherham, 8.8
Stoke 2-1 West Brom, 7.5
Ipswich 2-0 Stoke, 7.5
Stoke 1-0 Watford, 7.6
Millwall 1-0 Stoke, 7.2
Stoke 6-1 Rotherham, 6.8 (58 MP)
Stoke 0-2 Preston, 7.1
Norwich 1-0 Stoke, 7.4
Huddersfield 2-2 Stoke, 7.5

7.9.23

Championship Assists Leaders

Morgan Whittaker (3)
Charlie Patino (3)
Ryan Manning (2)
Ben Wilmot (2)
Duane Holmes (2)

Outfielders who have completed the most long passes in the Championship:

1️⃣ Ben Wilmot - 51
2️⃣ Dom Hyam - 40
3️⃣ Wesley Hoedt - 39
4️⃣ Callum Doyle - 26
5️⃣ Kyle McFadzean - 24
➡️ Semi Ajayi - 24
7️⃣ Zak Vyner - 23
Sam Morsy (2)
Samuel Silvera (2)
Gabriel (2)
Mark Sykes (2)
Jean Seri (2)

Aerial duels won

1. Ben Wilmot 30
2. Jordan Hugill 25
3. Jordan Storey 24
4. Darren Lenihan 24
5. Kevin Long 24

You're not going to include his tackles and passing (general, not just long punts up field) then?

They aren't good.


It's great that he's got two assists though, I'm expecting him to keep it up for the rest of the season given that's now a way to judge a defenders defensive ability

[numpty40]

Sept 26, 2023 21:24:32 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Sept 26, 2023 21:18:20 GMT numpty40 said:

I agree, but the consensus at the moment seems to be to blame Wilmot for every goal no matter what happens in the build up. He was blamed for the Norwich away goal even though he was marking the centre forward and Burger let the right back run straight past him to score from 3 yards out.

Yeah imagine holding your centre half account for a goal where the ball bounces closest to him in the 6 yard box and he’s flat footed as fuck and isn’t anticipating what might happen.

If Burger tracks his man Norwich don't score its that simple.
Trying to blame a centre back for not picking up an opposing full back who has run unchecked into the box is clearly agenda driven, you don't like wilmot, we get it but try to be rational.

[bayernoatcake]

Sept 26, 2023 21:56:19 GMT numpty40 said:

Sept 26, 2023 21:24:32 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Yeah imagine holding your centre half account for a goal where the ball bounces closest to him in the 6 yard box and he’s flat footed as fuck and isn’t anticipating what might happen.

If Burger tracks his man Norwich don't score its that simple.
Trying to blame a centre back for not picking up an opposing full back who has run unchecked into the box is clearly agenda driven, you don't like wilmot, we get it but try to be rational.

And if Wilmot is alive in the box and attacks the ball he’s closest to then again it doesn’t happen.

Burger should do better, Wilmot should do better.

Expecting your centre half to not be flat footed and attacking the ball he is closest isn’t an agenda is it 🤣

It’s what all good defenders should be doing.

[numpty40]

Sept 26, 2023 22:01:22 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Sept 26, 2023 21:56:19 GMT numpty40 said:

If Burger tracks his man Norwich don't score its that simple.
Trying to blame a centre back for not picking up an opposing full back who has run unchecked into the box is clearly agenda driven, you don't like wilmot, we get it but try to be rational.

And if Wilmot is alive in the box and attacks the ball he’s closest to then again it doesn’t happen.

Burger should do better, Wilmot should do better.

Expecting your centre half to not be flat footed and attacking the ball he is closest isn’t an agenda is it 🤣

It’s what all good defenders should be doing.

As a central defender you don't expect to see an opposing full back run freely into the 6 yard box unmarked, be sensible.

[bayernoatcake]

Sept 26, 2023 22:07:58 GMT numpty40 said:

Sept 26, 2023 22:01:22 GMT bayernoatcake said:

And if Wilmot is alive in the box and attacks the ball he’s closest to then again it doesn’t happen.

Burger should do better, Wilmot should do better.

Expecting your centre half to not be flat footed and attacking the ball he is closest isn’t an agenda is it 🤣

It’s what all good defenders should be doing.

As a central defender you don't expect to see an opposing full back run freely into the 6 yard box unmarked, be sensible.

As a centre half seeing the ball bounce in the six yard box and I’m closest to it, I want to be the first to it.

The ball is the danger for him. He’s not alive to it. He has one job and that’s to clear it.

It was poor.

[Deleted]

Sept 26, 2023 21:09:48 GMT roylandstoke said:

Sept 26, 2023 20:20:52 GMT @ontheup said:

If you play a back four you only need one left footer. Many of the great CB pairings have been both right footers. These are highly paid pros. Their left foot should be more than just for standing on.

Some very good LBs have also been right footed. Paulo Maldini wasn't too shabby.

We only have one left footer.
He's injured.

We don't have any great defenders.
I am not sure how any of our players can be compared to Maldini.

Maradona was possibly the best player ever and only used his right foot to stand on; not sure this is an argument for just playing left footed players in every position.

I wasn't comparing anyone to Maldini, it was a bit of fun.

The point is it's bollox hiding behind this left footed nonsense.

We should have stuck with a back four with Stevens injured. That way only one player is out of position. When playing in a four neither CB needs to be left footed. Loads of decent centre back pairings are both right footed. I'd go as far as to say the majority.

Any half decent FB should also be able to do a job on the opposite side in the short term. Not ideal but it's better than playing with three CBs where the need for one of them to be a leftie is greater and playing a wingback who's an attacking midfielder. It's just creating extra problems.

Neil has hidden behind the left footed thing to give himself the excuse to go five at the back because he's realised the CBs he's signed aren't good enough. Nothing to do with which foot they use and the same goes for Wilmot. He makes plenty of errors when he plays on the right as well.

[willieeetmiout]

Sept 26, 2023 21:51:59 GMT boskampsflaps said:

Sept 26, 2023 20:41:51 GMT willieeetmiout said:

I don't like Wilmot but for balance this is why I cant cope

Ben Wilmot ratings this season:

Stoke 4-1 Rotherham, 8.8
Stoke 2-1 West Brom, 7.5
Ipswich 2-0 Stoke, 7.5
Stoke 1-0 Watford, 7.6
Millwall 1-0 Stoke, 7.2
Stoke 6-1 Rotherham, 6.8 (58 MP)
Stoke 0-2 Preston, 7.1
Norwich 1-0 Stoke, 7.4
Huddersfield 2-2 Stoke, 7.5

7.9.23

Championship Assists Leaders

Morgan Whittaker (3)
Charlie Patino (3)
Ryan Manning (2)
Ben Wilmot (2)
Duane Holmes (2)

Outfielders who have completed the most long passes in the Championship:

1️⃣ Ben Wilmot - 51
2️⃣ Dom Hyam - 40
3️⃣ Wesley Hoedt - 39
4️⃣ Callum Doyle - 26
5️⃣ Kyle McFadzean - 24
➡️ Semi Ajayi - 24
7️⃣ Zak Vyner - 23
Sam Morsy (2)
Samuel Silvera (2)
Gabriel (2)
Mark Sykes (2)
Jean Seri (2)

Aerial duels won

1. Ben Wilmot 30
2. Jordan Hugill 25
3. Jordan Storey 24
4. Darren Lenihan 24
5. Kevin Long 24

You're not going to include his tackles and passing (general, not just long punts up field) then?

They aren't good.


It's great that he's got two assists though, I'm expecting him to keep it up for the rest of the season given that's now a way to judge a defenders defensive ability

I don't have those.

Read the first words of my post though.

[boskampsflaps]

Sept 27, 2023 5:18:55 GMT willieeetmiout said:

Sept 26, 2023 21:51:59 GMT boskampsflaps said:

You're not going to include his tackles and passing (general, not just long punts up field) then?

They aren't good.


It's great that he's got two assists though, I'm expecting him to keep it up for the rest of the season given that's now a way to judge a defenders defensive ability

I don't have those.

Read the first words of my post though.

I did and for ballance they should be in there really.

[CBUFAWKIPWH]

Sept 26, 2023 19:57:42 GMT boskampsflaps said:

Sept 26, 2023 19:53:04 GMT thehartshillbadger said:

He wouldn’t have let that bounce of it was on the right in my opinion. And tbh I respect your opinion to disagree

He still could have dealt with it even with the bounce but if not, just head it maybe.

I know I'm in the minority and most actually think he's a good player, I just don't see it.

He's good on the ball and he can make an eye catching pass. His positioning is terrible at times and he has a tendency to make mistakes that lead to goals on a regular basis. He's both a good and a bad player - depends what you choose to ignore.

I prefer consistency and reliability over flair in a CB so unless he improves in that regard he wouldn't make my starting 11 - I'd actually start Rose and McNally and be looking to get better at the first opportunity.

[boskampsflaps]

Sept 27, 2023 8:27:48 GMT CBUFAWKIPWH said:

Sept 26, 2023 19:57:42 GMT boskampsflaps said:

He still could have dealt with it even with the bounce but if not, just head it maybe.

I know I'm in the minority and most actually think he's a good player, I just don't see it.

He's good on the ball and he can make an eye catching pass. His positioning is terrible at times and he has a tendency to make mistakes that lead to goals on a regular basis. He's both a good and a bad player - depends what you choose to ignore.

I prefer consistency and reliability over flair in a CB so unless he improves in that regard he wouldn't make my starting 11 - I'd actually start Rose and McNally and be looking to get better at the first opportunity.

I don't think he's all that good on the ball tbh, he can ping it though to be fair to him.

I think I said this before, but he reminds me of Stones, needs taking out of the side for a little while so he can work on things then be brought back the issue is we don't have any others to cover, it really is a massive bollock dropped.

[shrewspotter]

I think Right side CB of a back 4 and Wilmot is fine, Left side of a back 3 and he is not

He also benefits from a leader around him such as Jags or Tuanzebe. Play him in his normal position please