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Wilmot
Sept 26, 2023 18:46:55 GMT
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Post by willieeetmiout on Sept 26, 2023 18:46:55 GMT
Our defence, led primarily by Wilmot has, by in large been absolutely awful this season.
Yet time and time again Wilmot comes out top of the stats. In recent times he has been top of tackles won, duels won, headers won and now this
Highest number of accurate long balls p90 in the ninety-two šÆ
š B. Wilmot (#scfc) - 8.1
š„ W. Hoedt (#watfordfc) - 8.0
ā”ļø N. Maher (#gtfc) - 8.0
4ļøā£ D. Hyan (#rovers) - 7.9
5ļøā£ G. Dobson (#cafc) - 7.6
6ļøā£ L. Reed (#stags) - 7.4
7ļøā£ Rodri (#mcfc) - 7.3
I can't cope.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 26, 2023 19:01:53 GMT
Probably because he's a good player!!!
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Wilmot
Sept 26, 2023 19:09:57 GMT
Post by Jimm on Sept 26, 2023 19:09:57 GMT
I'd rather have James Chester playing over him at this point. We haven't got one solid/dependable defender on our books.
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Post by HarryTheHat on Sept 26, 2023 19:10:11 GMT
Probably because he's a good player!!! As the stats above reinforce Some people just don't like him - they like a scapegoat |
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Post by HarryTheHat on Sept 26, 2023 19:13:10 GMT
Our defence, led primarily by Wilmot has, by in large been absolutely awful this season. Yet time and time again Wilmot comes out top of the stats. In recent times he has been top of tackles won, duels won, headers won and now this Highest number of accurate long balls p90 in the ninety-two šÆ š B. Wilmot (#scfc) - 8.1 š„ W. Hoedt (#watfordfc) - 8.0 ā”ļø N. Maher (#gtfc) - 8.0 4ļøā£ D. Hyan (#rovers) - 7.9 5ļøā£ G. Dobson (#cafc) - 7.6 6ļøā£ L. Reed (#stags) - 7.4 7ļøā£ Rodri (#mcfc) - 7.3 I can't cope. I think you're secretly a big fan - why else would you have a username that is essentially the result of Benji spelling Wilmot?  |
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 26, 2023 19:20:17 GMT
We've got possibly the best right sided central defender in the league coming out tops in stats playing out of position on the left, imagine how fucking good he is if he was played in his best position as a right sided centre back.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2023 19:22:40 GMT
Just give him a beast of a centre back to play alongside and heāll do fine.
No team is balanced when the partners of a particular position have the same weaknesses.
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Wilmot
Sept 26, 2023 19:23:01 GMT
Post by Pugsley on Sept 26, 2023 19:23:01 GMT
Probably because he's a good player!!! Is he? |
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Post by neckender78 on Sept 26, 2023 19:24:49 GMT
Probably because he's a good player!!! He is the absolute least of our problems. If only our crack management team could of found the one solid partner he needs to play alongside |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2023 19:24:49 GMT
Probably because he's a good player!!! As the stats above reinforce Some people just don't like him - they like a scapegoat The game turned on his mistake on Sunday. It doesn't matter how good his long passing is if he keeps making school boy mistakes. All he needed to do was poke it out for a corner and they don't score their first. He does lots of good things but he makes way too many bad mistakes or bad decisions that get us in to trouble. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2023 19:28:48 GMT
Frustratingly we know there is a player in Wilmott.
He played for England youth while at Stevenage, which is pretty unusual. Usually the players come from man city youth , villa youth etc.
He has quality on the ball for a young(ish ) championship defender.
On a good day, he is very good.
That said on Sunday v hull he had a mare .
I do like him and suspect he will come good.
My guess is by 25 , 26 years old, he is going to be a really good player.
Completely different player to Vidigal but like Vidigal someone with real promise .
My guess is he will come good and we should stick with him.
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Wilmot
Sept 26, 2023 19:29:37 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 26, 2023 19:29:37 GMT
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 26, 2023 19:32:01 GMT
As the stats above reinforce Some people just don't like him - they like a scapegoat The game turned on his mistake on Sunday. It doesn't matter how good his long passing is if he keeps making school boy mistakes. All he needed to do was poke it out for a corner and they don't score their first. He does lots of good things but he makes way too many bad mistakes or bad decisions that get us in to trouble. That's actually a very solid argument against the kind of data in the OP, or at least to be cautious of over-relying on it. Individual errors are single moments which won't move the needle much in terms of % stats, but which could have huge disproportionate repercussions in games. I guess there must be other data that deals with that as well, but it's perhaps easier to overlook |
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Wilmot
Sept 26, 2023 19:32:01 GMT
Post by numpty40 on Sept 26, 2023 19:32:01 GMT
As the stats above reinforce Some people just don't like him - they like a scapegoat The game turned on his mistake on Sunday. It doesn't matter how good his long passing is if he keeps making school boy mistakes. All he needed to do was poke it out for a corner and they don't score their first. He does lots of good things but he makes way too many bad mistakes or bad decisions that get us in to trouble. Wilmot didn't do well on that goal and I'd say that was the worst game I've seen Wilmot in a Stoke shirt, but... the keeper should have come and claimed that. |
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Wilmot
Sept 26, 2023 19:33:36 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 26, 2023 19:33:36 GMT
Frustratingly we know there is a player in Wilmott. He played for England youth while at Stevenage, which is pretty unusual. Usually the players come from man city youth , villa youth etc. He has quality on the ball for a young(ish ) championship defender. On a good day, he is very good. That said on Sunday v hull he had a mare . I do like him and suspect he will come good. My guess is by 25 , 26 years old, he is going to be a really good player. Completely different player to Vidigal but like Vidigal someone with real promise . My guess is he will come good and we should stick with him. A lot of guessing there mateš Heās just another playing out of position and being made a scapegoat for poor defensive displays. Yes he made a serious error for the first at the weekend but he shouldnāt be playing there, my bet is on the right that goes in rowZ. Neil is to blame here pure and simple. Play him on the right of two and heās pretty good actually. Does a job and thatās all we need |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 26, 2023 19:35:48 GMT
Probably because he's a good player!!! Agreed. Our player of the season last year as well. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 26, 2023 19:36:26 GMT
Heās awful and has been since he got here.
Alls this proves is that stats arenāt worth shit.
The first goal sums him up.
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Wilmot
Sept 26, 2023 19:40:00 GMT
Post by wuzza on Sept 26, 2023 19:40:00 GMT
You can only say what you see and defensively he gives me zero confidence.
.....having said that how important is stopping the opposition scoring for a central defender these days ??
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Wilmot
Sept 26, 2023 19:42:57 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 26, 2023 19:42:57 GMT
Frustratingly we know there is a player in Wilmott. He played for England youth while at Stevenage, which is pretty unusual. Usually the players come from man city youth , villa youth etc. He has quality on the ball for a young(ish ) championship defender. On a good day, he is very good. That said on Sunday v hull he had a mare . I do like him and suspect he will come good. My guess is by 25 , 26 years old, he is going to be a really good player. Completely different player to Vidigal but like Vidigal someone with real promise . My guess is he will come good and we should stick with him. A lot of guessing there mateš Heās just another playing out of position and being made a scapegoat for poor defensive displays. Yes he made a serious error for the first at the weekend but he shouldnāt be playing there, my bet is on the right that goes in rowZ. Neil is to blame here pure and simple. Play him on the right of two and heās pretty good actually. Does a job and thatās all we need How is he playing out of position, he's a centre back playing, errrrrrrrr, centre back. |
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Wilmot
Sept 26, 2023 19:46:07 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 26, 2023 19:46:07 GMT
A lot of guessing there mateš Heās just another playing out of position and being made a scapegoat for poor defensive displays. Yes he made a serious error for the first at the weekend but he shouldnāt be playing there, my bet is on the right that goes in rowZ. Neil is to blame here pure and simple. Play him on the right of two and heās pretty good actually. Does a job and thatās all we need How is he playing out of position, he's a centre back playing, errrrrrrrr, centre back. Heās on the left of a back three. Itās the same as a left winger playing on the right but with more chance of an error leading to goals. Have you played much in the past? I was a left winger (ironically), when I was asked to play on the right it was very difficult to adjust. I know these are pros but I imagine similar applies. In any case, heās a right sided defender so play him there? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2023 19:47:58 GMT
The game turned on his mistake on Sunday. It doesn't matter how good his long passing is if he keeps making school boy mistakes. All he needed to do was poke it out for a corner and they don't score their first. He does lots of good things but he makes way too many bad mistakes or bad decisions that get us in to trouble. Wilmot didn't do well on that goal and I'd say that was the worst game I've seen Wilmot in a Stoke shirt, but... the keeper should have come and claimed that. Sorry but that was 100% on Wilmot. He should have taken control and just put it out for a corner. I was very close to it. I knew Bidace would nick it before it happened. |
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Wilmot
Sept 26, 2023 19:48:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2023 19:48:58 GMT
How is he playing out of position, he's a centre back playing, errrrrrrrr, centre back. Heās on the left of a back three. Itās the same as a left winger playing on the right but with more chance of an error leading to goals. Have you played much in the past? I was a left winger (ironically), when I was asked to play on the right it was very difficult to adjust. I know these are pros but I imagine similar applies. In any case, heās a right sided defender so play him there? They are pros. However, they are also playing against other pros. Any disadvantage is stacked equally. They are still playing against their peers. |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 26, 2023 19:50:09 GMT
Not suited to a back 3.
Itās a different game playing in a back 3 compared to a back 4.
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Wilmot
Sept 26, 2023 19:50:45 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 26, 2023 19:50:45 GMT
A lot of guessing there mateš Heās just another playing out of position and being made a scapegoat for poor defensive displays. Yes he made a serious error for the first at the weekend but he shouldnāt be playing there, my bet is on the right that goes in rowZ. Neil is to blame here pure and simple. Play him on the right of two and heās pretty good actually. Does a job and thatās all we need How is he playing out of position, he's a centre back playing, errrrrrrrr, centre back. Back 3 and back 4 are very different. |
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Wilmot
Sept 26, 2023 19:51:48 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 26, 2023 19:51:48 GMT
How is he playing out of position, he's a centre back playing, errrrrrrrr, centre back. Heās on the left of a back three. Itās the same as a left winger playing on the right but with more chance of an error leading to goals. Have you played much in the past? I was a left winger (ironically), when I was asked to play on the right it was very difficult to adjust. I know these are pros but I imagine similar applies. In any case, heās a right sided defender so play him there? Nope, I'm shit, and that means jack shit, he's a pro footballer there's no excuse to not be able to kick a ball with his non-dominant foot (goes for all of them tbf). Huth was a right sided defender and he did pretty well for us, so was Cort and again relatively speaking he did well for us too. Wilmot isn't suddenly fucking up because of his current position in a three, he's been a liability since he got here. I don't like stats particularly because they mostly ignore things like his weakness for the goal in the last game but for a defender his tackling and blocking stats are pretty awful, but yeh, he can lump it but can't pass it because they're pretty bad too. |
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Wilmot
Sept 26, 2023 19:53:04 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 26, 2023 19:53:04 GMT
Heās on the left of a back three. Itās the same as a left winger playing on the right but with more chance of an error leading to goals. Have you played much in the past? I was a left winger (ironically), when I was asked to play on the right it was very difficult to adjust. I know these are pros but I imagine similar applies. In any case, heās a right sided defender so play him there? Nope, I'm shit, and that means jack shit, he's a pro footballer there's no excuse to not be able to kick a ball with his non-dominant foot (goes for all of them tbf). Huth was a right sided defender and he did pretty well for us, so was Cort and again relatively speaking he did well for us too. Wilmot isn't suddenly fucking up because of his current position in a three, he's been a liability since he got here. I don't like stats particularly because they mostly ignore things like his weakness for the goal in the last game but for a defender his tackling and blocking stats are pretty awful, but yeh, he can lump it but can't pass it because they're pretty bad too. He wouldnāt have let that bounce of it was on the right in my opinion. And tbh I respect your opinion to disagree |
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Wilmot
Sept 26, 2023 19:54:11 GMT
Post by numpty40 on Sept 26, 2023 19:54:11 GMT
Heās awful and has been since he got here. Alls this proves is that stats arenāt worth shit. The first goal sums him up. Unless they suit your argument  |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 26, 2023 19:56:04 GMT
How is he playing out of position, he's a centre back playing, errrrrrrrr, centre back. Back 3 and back 4 are very different. His mistakes aren't down to playing a back three, its down to weakness and poor ability, I'm all for him being someone to develop but its a massive worry that we rely on him to be a main man, he's one of the reasons we've been so poor at the back for some time. As an aside, and this isn't 100% down to him, the defence as a hole is conceding on average 1.5 goals a game and 1.05 last season, if that wasn't enough to rip it up and start again I don't know what is. |
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Post by Biblical on Sept 26, 2023 19:56:13 GMT
Heās not good enough to be a starter in a team that is aiming for promotion.
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Wilmot
Sept 26, 2023 19:57:42 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 26, 2023 19:57:42 GMT
Nope, I'm shit, and that means jack shit, he's a pro footballer there's no excuse to not be able to kick a ball with his non-dominant foot (goes for all of them tbf). Huth was a right sided defender and he did pretty well for us, so was Cort and again relatively speaking he did well for us too. Wilmot isn't suddenly fucking up because of his current position in a three, he's been a liability since he got here. I don't like stats particularly because they mostly ignore things like his weakness for the goal in the last game but for a defender his tackling and blocking stats are pretty awful, but yeh, he can lump it but can't pass it because they're pretty bad too. He wouldnāt have let that bounce of it was on the right in my opinion. And tbh I respect your opinion to disagree He still could have dealt with it even with the bounce but if not, just head it maybe. I know I'm in the minority and most actually think he's a good player, I just don't see it. |
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