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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 17, 2023 12:15:54 GMT
Said nothing of the sort but we will be closer to the bottom than top Just how I read your comment. Iād say the opposite. š I hope you're right but indications so far, not just this season, last season also are that we won't. The Rotherham games are the papering over the huge cracks so far like that month of results was last season. I like the look of the squad, that's the frustrating thing. It's like giving Miss Daisy a Porsche |
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Post by st3mark on Sept 17, 2023 12:16:10 GMT
Yeah there's plenty worse than us I'd say. A lot of players still finding their feet. Some games it'll click like the two Rotherham games and some games it won't. I'll panic in November/December. I fancy us to win the next 3 games. Apologies to anyone offended by my positive outburst. I hope so. We haven't scored a goal away from home yet in 4 matches, and Huddersfield will always be tough with Colin in charge. I can only really judge based on what I've seen and there's been nothing so far to suggest we're capable of winning several games in a row. Apologies for the negativity but I'm still p*ssed off at losing three games running in the exact same manner. Don't apologise for being negative, it's our God given right as Stoke fans. My feelings are, we've had chances to score in those games and it's just a matter of time. Don't get me wrong, the away games in particular have been wank. But Huddersfield away, Hull at home, Bristol away. There's goals to be had in those games. Hull at home could be another Rotherham if the full team are fit. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 17, 2023 12:18:40 GMT
I hope so. We haven't scored a goal away from home yet in 4 matches, and Huddersfield will always be tough with Colin in charge. I can only really judge based on what I've seen and there's been nothing so far to suggest we're capable of winning several games in a row. Apologies for the negativity but I'm still p*ssed off at losing three games running in the exact same manner. Don't apologise for being negative, it's our God given right as Stoke fans. My feelings are, we've had chances to score in those games and it's just a matter of time. Don't get me wrong, the away games in particular have been wank. But Huddersfield away, Hull at home, Bristol away. There's goals to be had in those games. Hull at home could be another Rotherham if the full team are fit. I think Hull look a better team than us so far...shouldn't be on paper but they are |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 17, 2023 12:27:12 GMT
It's a funny league,we beat Rotherham 4-1 & 6-1,Rotherham then beat Norwich,who then go on & best us.
Once settled,I think a will win more than we lose,so we should be fine.
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Post by st3mark on Sept 17, 2023 13:25:14 GMT
Don't apologise for being negative, it's our God given right as Stoke fans. My feelings are, we've had chances to score in those games and it's just a matter of time. Don't get me wrong, the away games in particular have been wank. But Huddersfield away, Hull at home, Bristol away. There's goals to be had in those games. Hull at home could be another Rotherham if the full team are fit. I think Hull look a better team than us so far...shouldn't be on paper but they are We're 6 games into the season. PNE are top. Boro are bottom. Neither will stay there. And in the same vein Hull havent turned into Brazil over the course of 6 games either. If people don't believe Hull at home is a winnable game because they had a good August then that's up to them. But personally I expect us to beat them. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 17, 2023 13:35:27 GMT
I hope so. We haven't scored a goal away from home yet in 4 matches, and Huddersfield will always be tough with Colin in charge. I can only really judge based on what I've seen and there's been nothing so far to suggest we're capable of winning several games in a row. Apologies for the negativity but I'm still p*ssed off at losing three games running in the exact same manner. Don't apologise for being negative, it's our God given right as Stoke fans. My feelings are, we've had chances to score in those games and it's just a matter of time. Don't get me wrong, the away games in particular have been wank. But Huddersfield away, Hull at home, Bristol away. There's goals to be had in those games. Hull at home could be another Rotherham if the full team are fit. Seem to ignore hulls last away game was a win at Leicester and believe that they won at Blackburn both without conceding |
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Post by st3mark on Sept 17, 2023 13:41:52 GMT
Don't apologise for being negative, it's our God given right as Stoke fans. My feelings are, we've had chances to score in those games and it's just a matter of time. Don't get me wrong, the away games in particular have been wank. But Huddersfield away, Hull at home, Bristol away. There's goals to be had in those games. Hull at home could be another Rotherham if the full team are fit. Seem to ignore hulls last away game was a win at Leicester and believe that they won at Blackburn both without conceding I didn't ignore anything Benji. I said there's been 6 games so far and the 2 you quoted are 2 of those 6. I simply aren't scared of playing Hull City at home when we've only lost one home game. If you love Hull so much though then go support them šš |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 17, 2023 13:48:51 GMT
Seem to ignore hulls last away game was a win at Leicester and believe that they won at Blackburn both without conceding I didn't ignore anything Benji. I said there's been 6 games so far and the 2 you quoted are 2 of those 6. I simply aren't scared of playing Hull City at home when we've only lost one home game. If you love Hull so much though then go support them šš Think you maybe under estimating Hull mate. Lets just say that their manager who they got in last season has had a far better impact than our manager we got in last season. And id suggest with a worse squad on paper |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 17, 2023 13:49:39 GMT
Seem to ignore hulls last away game was a win at Leicester and believe that they won at Blackburn both without conceding I didn't ignore anything Benji. I said there's been 6 games so far and the 2 you quoted are 2 of those 6. I simply aren't scared of playing Hull City at home when we've only lost one home game. If you love Hull so much though then go support them šš We shouldn't be afraid of Hull but we shojdn recognise right now for us they are a very difficult game |
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Post by st3mark on Sept 17, 2023 13:52:32 GMT
I didn't ignore anything Benji. I said there's been 6 games so far and the 2 you quoted are 2 of those 6. I simply aren't scared of playing Hull City at home when we've only lost one home game. If you love Hull so much though then go support them šš Think you maybe under estimating Hull mate. Lets just say that their manager who they got in last season has had a far better impact than our manager we got in last season. And id suggest with a worse squad on paper I estimate them to be an average championship team that can finish anywhere between 10th and 18th. I always expect to beat the teams in that range at home no matter which league we are in. I will be surprised if they finish top 6, even with Bidace. |
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Post by st3mark on Sept 17, 2023 13:53:48 GMT
I didn't ignore anything Benji. I said there's been 6 games so far and the 2 you quoted are 2 of those 6. I simply aren't scared of playing Hull City at home when we've only lost one home game. If you love Hull so much though then go support them šš We shouldn't be afraid of Hull but we shojdn recognise right now for us they are a very difficult game With that attitude they will all be difficult games. We have to believe we can win and the manager has to make the players believe they can win. |
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Post by baconburger on Sept 17, 2023 13:57:10 GMT
I think the concern comes from the fact that we look as slow, laboured, and unable to create chances as we ever were (particularly away from home). People are fearful of yet another 'here we go again' situation and that begats the knee-jerk reactions we're seeing. Like you say though, it's too early to judge and I've seen enough from the new recruits to be confident that we've not signed another bunch of duds (with the exception of a couple maybe). What's worrying me however is the manager's apparent lack of tactical nous and overall gameplan. At one point yesterday we had Laurent, Pearson, DJ, and Burger all on the pitch at the same time and I couldn't fathom what system we were playing or what we were trying to do. Neil has got from for this muddled thinking though and we saw it many times last season where we'd become an incoherent rabble towards the end of certain games (usually as we're trying to overturn a deficit). Appreciate that it's early days and we've had injuries (and he's probably still trying to figure out what works best and with which personnel), but he needs to happen upon something quickly and then stop pissing about and tinkering with it all the fucking time. Show us what the ethos of this team is AN, cement the players needed for us to embody said ethos, then make it fucking work (fast). Persisting with this ever-shifting morass of nothingness is only going to end one way and that's another disappointing bottom half finish, more and more disenfranchised supporters and the potential for the whole 'Groundhog Day' scenario of another managerial appointment/squad cleansing operation raising its head again. Ā I agree 100%. Whilst I am willing to give him time on this, I actually think Neil is the one causing the problems at the moment. Weāre in a bit of vicious cycle at the moment. We donāt win or we get injuries so we change something but you canāt keep making wholesale changes every week. For instance playing Leris at right back yesterday, that meant changing about 3 things when it could have been as simple as an actual full back replacing Hoever.Ā Like the team, heās still learning and probably doesnāt know his best side/formation but changing every game isnāt going to help that. I think the players we have signed look like good recruits, but they need to be managed properly and Neil needs to show he can. His tinkering tendencies are the biggest doubt for me. Great if it works but looks a bit haphazard when it doesnāt.Ā He seems to be making some strange knee jerk decisions McNally for me has looked a far better player than Rose but he hooks him and drops him for one very debatable incident that started with Wesley controlling a ball further than many folk could kick it. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 17, 2023 14:03:11 GMT
I think Hull look a better team than us so far...shouldn't be on paper but they are We're 6 games into the season. PNE are top. Boro are bottom. Neither will stay there. And in the same vein Hull havent turned into Brazil over the course of 6 games either. If people don't believe Hull at home is a winnable game because they had a good August then that's up to them. But personally I expect us to beat them. All games in the league are winnable but look at how we're doing |
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Post by baconburger on Sept 17, 2023 14:04:19 GMT
We're 6 games into the season. PNE are top. Boro are bottom. Neither will stay there. And in the same vein Hull havent turned into Brazil over the course of 6 games either. If people don't believe Hull at home is a winnable game because they had a good August then that's up to them. But personally I expect us to beat them. All games in the league are winnable but look at how we're doing Have we actually lost a game we got a result in last season ? |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 17, 2023 14:09:12 GMT
All games in the league are winnable but look at how we're doing Have we actually lost a game we got a result in last season ? Don't think we have ..beat Rotherham and Watford, lost both last season |
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 17, 2023 14:17:10 GMT
Not this old shit againā¦..
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Post by baconburger on Sept 17, 2023 14:18:16 GMT
Have we actually lost a game we got a result in last season ? Don't think we have ..beat Rotherham and Watford, lost both last season Sorry it wasnāt really a question I already knew we hadnāt. Iām not best pleased with the outcomes of our losses but neither am I ready to join in the wrist slashing. I donāt get where the expectation comes from weāre about Ā£10M in profit on player trading since AN arrived. All the signings were cause for excitement. Expectation no sorry, weāve recruited to a plan a lot of which has been done with an eye on the future. Given our transfer activity whoās meant to be scoring the goals? |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 17, 2023 14:25:56 GMT
Don't think we have ..beat Rotherham and Watford, lost both last season Sorry it wasnāt really a question I already knew we hadnāt. Iām not best pleased with the outcomes of our losses but neither am I ready to join in the wrist slashing. I donāt get where the expectation comes from weāre about Ā£10M in profit on player trading since AN arrived. All the signings were cause for excitement. Expectation no sorry, weāve recruited to a plan a lot of which has been done with an eye on the future. Given our transfer activity whoās meant to be scoring the goals? Last season not exactly one to remember results wise or to compare with either |
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Post by st3mark on Sept 17, 2023 14:26:55 GMT
We're 6 games into the season. PNE are top. Boro are bottom. Neither will stay there. And in the same vein Hull havent turned into Brazil over the course of 6 games either. If people don't believe Hull at home is a winnable game because they had a good August then that's up to them. But personally I expect us to beat them. All games in the league are winnable but look at how we're doing I am looking at how we're doing. We've won every home game apart from 1 and we could have got draws at millwall and Norwich. We got slaughtered at Ipswich but we've got a lot of new players to bed in. Water them and see how they grow. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 17, 2023 14:36:50 GMT
All games in the league are winnable but look at how we're doing I am looking at how we're doing. We've won every home game apart from 1 and we could have got draws at millwall and Norwich. We got slaughtered at Ipswich but we've got a lot of new players to bed in. Water them and see how they grow. We could have but didn't. We haven't scored away since Cardiff in April . We shouldn't to waiting on players to bed in. They've played football before and know their roles |
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Post by st3mark on Sept 17, 2023 14:59:08 GMT
I am looking at how we're doing. We've won every home game apart from 1 and we could have got draws at millwall and Norwich. We got slaughtered at Ipswich but we've got a lot of new players to bed in. Water them and see how they grow. We could have but didn't. We haven't scored away since Cardiff in April . We shouldn't to waiting on players to bed in. They've played football before and know their roles š¤£š¤£š¤£ Yeah footballers don't need time to bed in. Grealish didn't need time to bed in at City. Evra, Firminho, Robert Pires none of them took time to bed in in this country. Salah didn't need time to bed in in this country either. They've played football before so they should just all hit the ground running. š¤£š¤£š¤£ Also, the season was closed during May, June and July so nobody scored any away goals then. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 17, 2023 15:09:57 GMT
We could have but didn't. We haven't scored away since Cardiff in April . We shouldn't to waiting on players to bed in. They've played football before and know their roles š¤£š¤£š¤£ Yeah footballers don't need time to bed in. Grealish didn't need time to bed in at City. Evra, Firminho, Robert Pires none of them took time to bed in in this country. Salah didn't need time to bed in in this country either. They've played football before so they should just all hit the ground running. š¤£š¤£š¤£ Also, the season was closed during May, June and July so nobody scored any away goals then. By bed in you mean pass to someone in the same coloured shirt, be nice if they did that yesterday? Of course takes some players time but another excuse like the ..not his team one last season. He simply can't pick 11 payers to do a job after watching them train all week. Another cliche to cover up for a defeat Arse you seriously comparing Grealish going to arguably the best team in the world, playing the best football to a player joining this car crash? |
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Post by st3mark on Sept 17, 2023 15:22:29 GMT
š¤£š¤£š¤£ Yeah footballers don't need time to bed in. Grealish didn't need time to bed in at City. Evra, Firminho, Robert Pires none of them took time to bed in in this country. Salah didn't need time to bed in in this country either. They've played football before so they should just all hit the ground running. š¤£š¤£š¤£ Also, the season was closed during May, June and July so nobody scored any away goals then. By bed in you mean pass to someone in the same coloured shirt, be nice if they did that yesterday? Of course takes some players time but another excuse like the ..not his team one last season. He simply can't pick 11 payers to do a job after watching them train all week. Another cliche to cover up for a defeat Arse you seriously comparing Grealish going to arguably the best team in the world, playing the best football to a player joining this car crash? Not comparing the team but evidencing that even the best players in the world take time to bed in sometimes. Even whilst playing for the best team in the world with everything in place to help him. Chelsea have spent a billion quid and 80% of them are struggling to bed in. Whilst playing under one of the best managers in the world. That's just how football works sometimes. Neil is probably one of the only things proven at this level that we've got at the moment. It will take time. It's a huge task that he's got and neither him nor the players will be written off after 6 games by anyone from this planet. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 17, 2023 15:24:06 GMT
As Clive Clarke said, who has played the game at this level ...no excuse, they all wear the same coloured shirts
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 17, 2023 15:26:41 GMT
I think that it is a little early to be worrying about whether there are three teams worse than us. After all, we are only 6 games in.
This is a tough division and I think that there are some strong teams in it this year.
A top half finish has to be the minimum expectation. If we are floating around the bottom end of the table by December then there should be some serious questions asked of the manager.
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Post by davethebass on Sept 17, 2023 15:52:51 GMT
Well so far, Rotherham West Brom and Watford are evidently worse than us. Ok I'll go and read the thread now and try take this seriously  |
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Post by baconburger on Sept 17, 2023 15:56:56 GMT
I think that it is a little early to be worrying about whether there are three teams worse than us. After all, we are only 6 games in. This is a tough division and I think that there are some strong teams in it this year. A top half finish has to be the minimum expectation. If we are floating around the bottom end of the table by December then there should be some serious questions asked of the manager. Unless you're top of your league there should always be questions asked of any manager but when he answers I told you I needed a front line striker and you got me a couple out of the dented tins basket and showed a profit on player trading in that area of the pitch you might have to admit that he'd answered your question. |
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Post by maine on Sept 17, 2023 19:59:30 GMT
A massive over-reaction here I think. Narrow losses away against good teams-two of which we've outplayed for long periods. Only Preston looked better.
The individual skill levels have clearly improved and the likes of Burger and Junho look technically outstanding. Gooch looks much better than I expected and the young full back impressed me a lot yesterday. I'm not a big fan of Laurent but he played very well in the second half I thought.
My risky prediction is that we'll at least squeeze into the playoffs.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Sept 20, 2023 20:48:34 GMT
Think we've just played the worst side in the league there and failed to win. At least we managed to score a couple.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2023 20:49:38 GMT
We are there for the taking every game, we look fragile every time any team attacks
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