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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 17, 2023 8:24:06 GMT
It’s bad but Jesus Christ it’s not that bad. 😂 I’m glad I aren’t a knicker wetter, must be so depressing. 😂 We’re shite and not as good as we were hoping we would be, but we will 100% not be going down. What's a knicker wetter? Someone who can see what is actually going on is my guess And has toilet issues And wears women pants But they can still see the complete mess we are in and will continue to be under Gollum |
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Post by theporcelainpele on Sept 17, 2023 8:27:54 GMT
When are Maaee and Vidigal both rumoured to be back fit? Because that hopefully takes out Campbell (on current form) and Wesley which can only be a very good thing.
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Post by Biblical on Sept 17, 2023 8:36:42 GMT
Yes.
Some people really are getting carried away. If we got battered for the entire 90 mins yesterday I’d be way more concerned but the reality is that we looked the better side in the 2nd half and Norwich were clinging on.
There were several below par performances yesterday and I think there’s a lot more to come from the likes of Bae and Leris. I was encouraged by Haksabanovic and the availability of Vidigal and Mmaee are most welcome.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 17, 2023 9:11:51 GMT
Fuck me. Of course there are worse sides, probably at least 8 or 9. Once we get going we’ll be fine. We haven’t been particularly bad but we need to stop losing if we aren’t going to win.
So much for giving him time eh.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 17, 2023 9:17:26 GMT
Wednesday and Rotherham for starters. Id say Huddersfield but they will probably turn us over on wednesday night
We should be alright but this really shouldnt be the limit of our ambitions
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 17, 2023 9:19:29 GMT
The absolute over fucking reacting on this forum I swear. I actually feel sorry for you all. There’s at least 12 teams worse than us. Those 12 teams below us? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2023 9:23:21 GMT
The absolute over fucking reacting on this forum I swear. I actually feel sorry for you all. There’s at least 12 teams worse than us. Those 12 teams below us? There will be come the end of the season. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 17, 2023 9:24:28 GMT
There will be come the end of the season. Possibly, possibly not. We keep hearing what's going to happen and ignoring what actually is |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 17, 2023 9:32:30 GMT
There will be come the end of the season. Possibly, possibly not. We keep hearing what's going to happen and ignoring what actually is Well whatever happens, 6 games in is far too early to judge and I can’t believe (well actually, I can) people appear to be losing their shit. I could completely get it if we were playing awfully and getting hammered but we aren’t and haven’t been. Appreciate that losing games tightly can also be a sign of side that will struggle but 6 games is a frankly ludicrous amount of time to judge a completely new side. If it’s still like this after 15/20 games then maybe there will be cause for concern. I hate being mediocre and “accepting” our lowly position because I’m fed up of us not performing but this is a completely different situation this time round. |
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Post by drfootball on Sept 17, 2023 9:47:50 GMT
Already lost 4 games out of 6. Never going see the top ten this season. Lose at Huddersfield and go 1 nil down against Hull.. Think Stoke fans will be calling for Neil's Head. The bewildering thing is why would anyone be surprised , Our end of season form was shambolic , he then out of charachter fell head over heels for Jared’s smooth talk and his sponsor Ricky’s pillars and accepted a trolley dash of unproven flair players with no substance or any attempt to address the. COre issues of last season , goals , physicality and central defence power . we have grafted a recruitment disaster beyond all others on top of a truly awful team and sold two of the proven championship players in the squad in brown and Tymon right at the death , without properly replacing either we are now in a worse position than any since. relegation . it’s actually very un Alex Neil like , he’s gone from mediocre / bland ‘ lower championship cv. to a totally erratic , catastrophic lost soul . A,d his pre match interview talking of we can see where we are and it’s going to take time suggests he knows he’s in huge trouble . I can only see a truly terrible season from here neil for sure won’t survive 🐊will have him its just when , but the more important question is can we actually find three worse teams right now I can’t see them God, you're boring ! |
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Post by Gods on Sept 17, 2023 9:49:05 GMT
There will be come the end of the season. Possibly, possibly not. We keep hearing what's going to happen and ignoring what actually is Jam tomorrow! It's the story of the last 6 seasons - We get a new manager but we can't expect a 'new manager' bounce - In fact we can't expect any improvement until the new manager has his own staff and team - When he has his own staff and team we should expect poor results since they have never played together Repeat to fade... |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 17, 2023 9:50:18 GMT
Possibly, possibly not. We keep hearing what's going to happen and ignoring what actually is Well whatever happens, 6 games in is far too early to judge and I can’t believe (well actually, I can) people appear to be losing their shit. I could completely get it if we were playing awfully and getting hammered but we aren’t and haven’t been. Appreciate that losing games tightly can also be a sign of side that will struggle but 6 games is a frankly ludicrous amount of time to judge a completely new side. If it’s still like this after 15/20 games then maybe there will be cause for concern. I hate being mediocre and “accepting” our lowly position because I’m fed up of us not performing but this is a completely different situation this time round. It isnt just 6 games though, its the whole of last season aswell And i dont go along with this ‘it wasnt his team’. He had a whole season to get a tune out of em and the month of March apart, he failed |
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Post by danceswithclams on Sept 17, 2023 9:53:06 GMT
I could completely get it if we were playing awfully and getting hammered but we aren’t and haven’t been. I think the concern comes from the fact that we look as slow, laboured, and unable to create chances as we ever were (particularly away from home). People are fearful of yet another 'here we go again' situation and that begats the knee-jerk reactions we're seeing. Like you say though, it's too early to judge and I've seen enough from the new recruits to be confident that we've not signed another bunch of duds (with the exception of a couple maybe). What's worrying me however is the manager's apparent lack of tactical nous and overall gameplan. At one point yesterday we had Laurent, Pearson, DJ, and Burger all on the pitch at the same time and I couldn't fathom what system we were playing or what we were trying to do. Neil has got from for this muddled thinking though and we saw it many times last season where we'd become an incoherent rabble towards the end of certain games (usually as we're trying to overturn a deficit). Appreciate that it's early days and we've had injuries (and he's probably still trying to figure out what works best and with which personnel), but he needs to happen upon something quickly and then stop pissing about and tinkering with it all the fucking time. Show us what the ethos of this team is AN, cement the players needed for us to embody said ethos, then make it fucking work (fast). Persisting with this ever-shifting morass of nothingness is only going to end one way and that's another disappointing bottom half finish, more and more disenfranchised supporters and the potential for the whole 'Groundhog Day' scenario of another managerial appointment/squad cleansing operation raising its head again. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 17, 2023 9:53:06 GMT
Possibly, possibly not. We keep hearing what's going to happen and ignoring what actually is Jam tomorrow! It's the story of the last 6 seasons - We get a new manager but we can't expect a 'new manager' bounce - In fact we can't expect any improvement until the new manager has his own team - When he has his own team we can expect poor results until they have played together for a season Repeat to fade... So we stick with a manager with a terrible record and do nothing? It's nearly 50 games, 5 months since we scored away from home |
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Post by baconburger on Sept 17, 2023 9:55:19 GMT
Possibly, possibly not. We keep hearing what's going to happen and ignoring what actually is Well whatever happens, 6 games in is far too early to judge and I can’t believe (well actually, I can) people appear to be losing their shit. I could completely get it if we were playing awfully and getting hammered but we aren’t and haven’t been. Appreciate that losing games tightly can also be a sign of side that will struggle but 6 games is a frankly ludicrous amount of time to judge a completely new side. If it’s still like this after 15/20 games then maybe there will be cause for concern. I hate being mediocre and “accepting” our lowly position because I’m fed up of us not performing but this is a completely different situation this time round. The fact that we’re not scoring is far more concerning than the fact that we’re losing games that we have a historically poor record in. |
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Post by GrahamHyde on Sept 17, 2023 9:55:57 GMT
Long way to go, but we keep getting rolled over by single goals and are completely anaemic up top when we concede. Millwall, Preston and now Norwich. The game in midweek at Huddersfield will tell us a lot around how close to the bottom we could be - they're a side we should be beating. Contrary to what the manager and players have said, we looked like a League One side today. Fucking hell mate, I'd hate to be with you in the trenches. Get a grip and stop pissng your pants. That's exactly what I'd say about our team at the moment, that's the problem. And I was only asking the question, it's a discussion forum. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 17, 2023 9:56:28 GMT
Well whatever happens, 6 games in is far too early to judge and I can’t believe (well actually, I can) people appear to be losing their shit. I could completely get it if we were playing awfully and getting hammered but we aren’t and haven’t been. Appreciate that losing games tightly can also be a sign of side that will struggle but 6 games is a frankly ludicrous amount of time to judge a completely new side. If it’s still like this after 15/20 games then maybe there will be cause for concern. I hate being mediocre and “accepting” our lowly position because I’m fed up of us not performing but this is a completely different situation this time round. It isnt just 6 games though, its the whole of last season aswell And i dont go along with this ‘it wasnt his team’. He had a whole season to get a tune out of em and the month of March apart, he failed It has to be viewed completely separately from last season, as it would have been if we had a new manager in the summer. Last season and this are completely different things. You can’t have a complete rebuild and take last year into consideration too, unless you really don’t want the manager to succeed. I have no loyalty to Neil and no reason to defend him, other than understanding the project and the time it might take. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 17, 2023 10:05:44 GMT
The bewildering thing is why would anyone be surprised , Our end of season form was shambolic , he then out of charachter fell head over heels for Jared’s smooth talk and his sponsor Ricky’s pillars and accepted a trolley dash of unproven flair players with no substance or any attempt to address the. COre issues of last season , goals , physicality and central defence power . we have grafted a recruitment disaster beyond all others on top of a truly awful team and sold two of the proven championship players in the squad in brown and Tymon right at the death , without properly replacing either we are now in a worse position than any since. relegation . it’s actually very un Alex Neil like , he’s gone from mediocre / bland ‘ lower championship cv. to a totally erratic , catastrophic lost soul . A,d his pre match interview talking of we can see where we are and it’s going to take time suggests he knows he’s in huge trouble . I can only see a truly terrible season from here neil for sure won’t survive 🐊will have him its just when , but the more important question is can we actually find three worse teams right now I can’t see them God, you're boring ! But worryingly right |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 17, 2023 10:08:05 GMT
I could completely get it if we were playing awfully and getting hammered but we aren’t and haven’t been. I think the concern comes from the fact that we look as slow, laboured, and unable to create chances as we ever were (particularly away from home). People are fearful of yet another 'here we go again' situation and that begats the knee-jerk reactions we're seeing. Like you say though, it's too early to judge and I've seen enough from the new recruits to be confident that we've not signed another bunch of duds (with the exception of a couple maybe). What's worrying me however is the manager's apparent lack of tactical nous and overall gameplan. At one point yesterday we had Laurent, Pearson, DJ, and Burger all on the pitch at the same time and I couldn't fathom what system we were playing or what we were trying to do. Neil has got from for this muddled thinking though and we saw it many times last season where we'd become an incoherent rabble towards the end of certain games (usually as we're trying to overturn a deficit). Appreciate that it's early days and we've had injuries (and he's probably still trying to figure out what works best and with which personnel), but he needs to happen upon something quickly and then stop pissing about and tinkering with it all the fucking time. Show us what the ethos of this team is AN, cement the players needed for us to embody said ethos, then make it fucking work (fast). Persisting with this ever-shifting morass of nothingness is only going to end one way and that's another disappointing bottom half finish, more and more disenfranchised supporters and the potential for the whole 'Groundhog Day' scenario of another managerial appointment/squad cleansing operation raising its head again. I agree 100%. Whilst I am willing to give him time on this, I actually think Neil is the one causing the problems at the moment. We’re in a bit of vicious cycle at the moment. We don’t win or we get injuries so we change something but you can’t keep making wholesale changes every week. For instance playing Leris at right back yesterday, that meant changing about 3 things when it could have been as simple as an actual full back replacing Hoever. Like the team, he’s still learning and probably doesn’t know his best side/formation but changing every game isn’t going to help that. I think the players we have signed look like good recruits, but they need to be managed properly and Neil needs to show he can. His tinkering tendencies are the biggest doubt for me. Great if it works but looks a bit haphazard when it doesn’t. |
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Post by thevoid on Sept 17, 2023 10:44:38 GMT
Long way to go, but we keep getting rolled over by single goals and are completely anaemic up top when we concede. Millwall, Preston and now Norwich. The game in midweek at Huddersfield will tell us a lot around how close to the bottom we could be - they're a side we should be beating. Contrary to what the manager and players have said, we looked like a League One side today. Fucking hell mate, I'd hate to be with you in the trenches. Get a grip and stop pissng your pants. Aren't you 'pissing your pants' over someone expressing a reasonable point of view on a forum? Maybe try wiping the foam from your trap and explain to the rest of us mere mortals where Grahamhyde was wrong? |
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Post by thevoid on Sept 17, 2023 10:47:38 GMT
Possibly, possibly not. We keep hearing what's going to happen and ignoring what actually is Jam tomorrow! It's the story of the last 6 seasons - We get a new manager but we can't expect a 'new manager' bounce - In fact we can't expect any improvement until the new manager has his own staff and team - When he has his own staff and team we should expect poor results since they have never played together Repeat to fade... The new myth is 'time to gel'. Correct me if I'm wrong, but goalposts and football pitch markings are the same here as they are in Hungary, Korea etc. It's not like they're transitioning from Rugby League to Union. You don't need to be best mates with the other guys on the pitch to be able to do the fundamentals of the game |
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Post by Roger Everyone on Sept 17, 2023 11:07:23 GMT
Yes there are and there will be more by the end of the season.
The difference this year is we have a collection of players who can improve and are of a better quality to last season.
We just need the manager to show his worth, which he hasn't done since he has been here.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Sept 17, 2023 11:15:01 GMT
Yes there are and there will be more by the end of the season. The difference this year is we have a collection of players who can improve and are of a better quality to last season. We just need the manager to show his worth, which he hasn't done since he has been here. I hope you're right. Can't say I've seen that much quality in the squad myself though - we haven't scored a goal in 4 of the 6 league games played, and have only kept a clean sheet in 1 of them. Contrary to how Neil dressed it up, we never looked like getting anything from the game yesterday. We were distinctly second best in the first half, conceded a goal and then can't break a team down who sit in. That's now happened three times this season, plus Ipswich where we just got played off the park. |
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Post by st3mark on Sept 17, 2023 11:20:03 GMT
Yeah there's plenty worse than us I'd say. A lot of players still finding their feet. Some games it'll click like the two Rotherham games and some games it won't. I'll panic in November/December.
I fancy us to win the next 3 games.
Apologies to anyone offended by my positive outburst.
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Post by st3mark on Sept 17, 2023 11:24:26 GMT
Yes there are and there will be more by the end of the season. The difference this year is we have a collection of players who can improve and are of a better quality to last season. We just need the manager to show his worth, which he hasn't done since he has been here. I hope you're right. Can't say I've seen that much quality in the squad myself though - we haven't scored a goal in 4 of the 6 league games played, and have only kept a clean sheet in 1 of them. Contrary to how Neil dressed it up, we never looked like getting anything from the game yesterday. We were distinctly second best in the first half, conceded a goal and then can't break a team down who sit in. That's now happened three times this season, plus Ipswich where we just got played off the park. We had enough chances to win the game twice. Woeful first half, a wank performance overall by most players. But Campbell had two chances he should score, we had a couple of late scrambles that could have gone in, two penalty shouts, Burger should have done better when fed through, leris and Campbell both wasted good crossing opportunities from inside the box with time. The chances were there. The players just fucked them up. |
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Post by GrahamHyde on Sept 17, 2023 11:27:19 GMT
Yeah there's plenty worse than us I'd say. A lot of players still finding their feet. Some games it'll click like the two Rotherham games and some games it won't. I'll panic in November/December. I fancy us to win the next 3 games. Apologies to anyone offended by my positive outburst. I hope so. We haven't scored a goal away from home yet in 4 matches, and Huddersfield will always be tough with Colin in charge. I can only really judge based on what I've seen and there's been nothing so far to suggest we're capable of winning several games in a row. Apologies for the negativity but I'm still p*ssed off at losing three games running in the exact same manner. |
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Post by sensiblestokie on Sept 17, 2023 12:08:48 GMT
Someone who can see what is actually going on is my guess And has toilet issues And wears women pants But they can still see the complete mess we are in and will continue to be under Gollum See what’s going on? Does that mean you think we will be going down? Or can go down? Because we absolutely will not be close to going down. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 17, 2023 12:10:48 GMT
Three of the games we lost were to teams currently in the top 6. Two would still be in the top 6 even if you took the three points that they got from us away so they are there on merit not just cos they've played us. Norwich and Ipswich look likely to finish up there, Millwall have proved over the last few seasons that they can grind out enough results and be consistent enough to get there or there abouts. Preston have a very good manager and could stay up there.
It is also true that, as Neil says, the teams who have had the least upheaval tend to do better at the start of a season. All the teams we have played fit into that category. We have had the double whammy of a huge influx of players over a long period, only just getting them together two weeks ago, plus the fact that two of the players were settling in nicely just as they got long term injuries.
Add to that the fact that Millwall and Preston are bogey teams and I don't remember us doing particularly well against Norwich, we couldn't have had a worse start to the season especially when you factor in our upcoming September fixtures.
We are actually 6 points better off than last year from the corresponding fixtures having lost last year at home to Rotherham and Watford and the other results being the same. Doesn't include Ipswich of course but we did lose away at Reading who you can argue Ipswich replaced. For the record we also got thrashed at Huddersfield last season.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 17, 2023 12:11:04 GMT
Someone who can see what is actually going on is my guess And has toilet issues And wears women pants But they can still see the complete mess we are in and will continue to be under Gollum See what’s going on? Does that mean you think we will be going down? Or can go down? Because we absolutely will not be close to going down. Said nothing of the sort but we will be closer to the bottom than top |
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Post by sensiblestokie on Sept 17, 2023 12:12:38 GMT
See what’s going on? Does that mean you think we will be going down? Or can go down? Because we absolutely will not be close to going down. Said nothing of the sort but we will be closer to the bottom than top Just how I read your comment. I’d say the opposite. 😀 |
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