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Post by itsmorethanagame on Jul 16, 2024 19:36:16 GMT
I don't know why people are panicking. They were celebrating when Jared got the boot. I thought Walters and Darnbrough were the best thing since sliced bread? Why panic? Why do you always try and cause divide with this sort of nonsense? Of course no one wants to see our Crown Jewels go for less than his proper value.
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Post by Marc01 on Jul 16, 2024 19:40:17 GMT
As annoying as it is, this is how the business plan works, the model that will see us financially better off. Buy cheap, develop, sell big.I really hoped we would avoid interest from Bae, he is by far our most talented player, no one is even close really. The problem is, we just have no idea what promises have been made to land him, when there was apparent Premier League interest when we got him. We could have said to him that the first big club that makes an offer of x amount and we wouldn't stand in his way. We have to manage this extremely carefully, upsetting him by refusing offers from top clubs or pricing him out of any potential moves could end up with an under-performing player and a potential decrease on value.I just hope we haven't made such concrete promises, no clauses or anything like that and that Bae loves the club so much that for now, he is happy to develop here and help the club back up the league. I have a feeling that it won't be that easy and Feyenoord might be the first of many admirers. Though selling to Feyenoord won’t be selling big, not to mention the sell on due to Daejeon Hana Citizen! South Korean players generally have too much self respect and pride to underperform.
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Jul 16, 2024 19:40:18 GMT
The issue with Junho going here is that we are unlikely to receive his true value from Feyernoord.
I think most accept the model is to sell on and make a profit which is obviously fine.
Unfortunately this particular suitor falls in to the horrible scenario where they are attractive enough for him to want to go but not rich enough to pay the going rate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2024 19:49:17 GMT
I don't know why people are panicking. They were celebrating when Jared got the boot. I thought Walters and Darnbrough were the best thing since sliced bread? Why panic? Why do you always try and cause divide with this sort of nonsense? Of course no one wants to see our Crown Jewels go for less than his proper value. Really? A bit dramatic that mate. It's just a messageboard and it means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Chill your beans a bit...
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Post by MilanStokie on Jul 16, 2024 19:50:05 GMT
As annoying as it is, this is how the business plan works, the model that will see us financially better off. Buy cheap, develop, sell big.I really hoped we would avoid interest from Bae, he is by far our most talented player, no one is even close really. The problem is, we just have no idea what promises have been made to land him, when there was apparent Premier League interest when we got him. We could have said to him that the first big club that makes an offer of x amount and we wouldn't stand in his way. We have to manage this extremely carefully, upsetting him by refusing offers from top clubs or pricing him out of any potential moves could end up with an under-performing player and a potential decrease on value.I just hope we haven't made such concrete promises, no clauses or anything like that and that Bae loves the club so much that for now, he is happy to develop here and help the club back up the league. I have a feeling that it won't be that easy and Feyenoord might be the first of many admirers. Though selling to Feyenoord won’t be selling big, not to mention the sell on due to Daejeon Hana Citizen! South Korean players generally have too much self respect and pride to underperform. Let's just agree here that Feyenoord are a really big club, it would be a huge step up. The league they play in is not a step up, but that's besides the point when Champions League football is involved. I'd like to agree with you on the 2nd point, but we just have no idea how he would react (nationality aside) if we have made promises for his career and then proceeded in breaking them. It would also send a horrible message to future young talent. It's a tricky one and a situation that needs careful management.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 16, 2024 19:51:07 GMT
Not only player money they got like £10m from Liverpool for Slot.
We will know they have money.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 16, 2024 19:54:08 GMT
Has he done enough to warrant anything more than £8-10million. Not sure he has.
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Post by MilanStokie on Jul 16, 2024 19:56:43 GMT
Has he done enough to warrant anything more than £8-10million. Not sure he has. That isn't how it works is it? It's the potential that bumps up the value and you can't deny that even now he is performing as a top Champ player and has potential to be a quality player at the top level. How do you quantify that?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 16, 2024 19:56:47 GMT
Knicker wetting central tonight
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jul 16, 2024 19:57:35 GMT
Has he done enough to warrant anything more than £8-10million. Not sure he has. Come on now.. 🤣
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 16, 2024 19:58:40 GMT
Not a chance he would go to Feyernoord, if he starts the season as he finished the last we will be trying to fend off enquiries from decent Premier league clubs. I'm sure Bae realises this. Feynoord are a massive club. Champions League football. Challenge for the Title and a league where his football is suited. To think he wouldn't be tempted by that and to stay here in this dog shit league people are in Cuckoo land. I've not said he would want to stay in this dog shit league, I've said that if he performs as we all expect him to next season there will without doubt be Premier league clubs in for him. The Premier league is a far more enticing prospect for aspiring young players than the Eredevisie, therefore I just can't see it happen.
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Jul 16, 2024 20:01:02 GMT
Has he done enough to warrant anything more than £8-10million. Not sure he has. He’s not long turned 20. He’s had a full, decent season in the chanp, a tough league and won an international cap for South Korea, a decent team. As comparison Philogene Bidace is 22 and going for 18 million. In two years time he will be further ahead of where Bidace is now and likely go for more than 18m.
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Post by nonameface on Jul 16, 2024 20:03:25 GMT
The newspaper has 4 ratings for its news; confirmed, reliable, unconfirmed, unreliable.
They’ve rated this as “confirmed” and stated they are first with the news so if we trust their own self marking with the ratings it seems genuine interest. They’ve also said it’s “average” likelihood of a transfer occurring, whatever average is!
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Post by emretezzy on Jul 16, 2024 20:06:33 GMT
If this happens once a season it shows our recruitment is finally bearing fruit, as annoying as it is to lose quality players. The trick is to always have someone waiting in the wings if it happens....... If we still had Jared, I’d be hopeful. I’m really not sure now. Take Bae out of our team and it suddenly looks very poor. We’d need a top top replacement. I love Bae more than anyone. Hes going to be a top top player... But... I'd still have reservations of him getting 12/15 goals next year. He's intricate, gorgeous footballer that a lot of our players don't make the most of. I think you could get a good pacy winger for 3/4m that might be better suited to this league for the here and now.
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Post by tommystoke123 on Jul 16, 2024 20:07:33 GMT
If we still had Jared, I’d be hopeful. I’m really not sure now. Take Bae out of our team and it suddenly looks very poor. We’d need a top top replacement. I love Bae more than anyone. Hes going to be a top top player... But... I'd still have reservations of him getting 12/15 goals next year. He's intricate, gorgeous footballer that a lot of our players don't make the most of. I think you could get a good pacy winger for 3/4m that might be better suited to this league for the here and now. Johnston or Millar could be good replacements
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jul 16, 2024 20:11:16 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Jul 16, 2024 20:14:03 GMT
We’ve had alleged interest from Spurs for Burger and Feyenoord for Jun-ho. Are we pimping these guys out through an agent so we can have a rebuild?
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jul 16, 2024 20:15:19 GMT
We’ve had alleged interest from Spurs for Burger and Feyenoord for Jun-ho. Are we pimping these guys out through an agent so we can have a rebuild? No. Good players are going to be on the radar of teams, simple as that. Players like Burger and Bae will be being watched week in week out
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 16, 2024 20:16:27 GMT
Can Rotterdam centre match the attractions of Hanley though? Is there a Tesco express he can live near? These things are factors
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jul 16, 2024 20:27:28 GMT
Can Rotterdam centre match the attractions of Hanley though? Is there a Tesco express he can live near? These things are factors I think we are safe: there are no oatcakes in Holland.
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Post by Marc01 on Jul 16, 2024 20:28:23 GMT
Though selling to Feyenoord won’t be selling big, not to mention the sell on due to Daejeon Hana Citizen! South Korean players generally have too much self respect and pride to underperform. Let's just agree here that Feyenoord are a really big club, it would be a huge step up. The league they play in is not a step up, but that's besides the point when Champions League football is involved. I'd like to agree with you on the 2nd point, but we just have no idea how he would react (nationality aside) if we have made promises for his career and then proceeded in breaking them. It would also send a horrible message to future young talent. It's a tricky one and a situation that needs careful management. Connected to both points is your original reference to a policy of “selling big”. Feyenoord, as a big club, with CL status will, therefore, be well equipped to act like one to break their transfer fee habits and buy big. We may well have made promises for his career when an appropriately large clause, befitting of a CL club with the income and status of CL, has been triggered.None of us know the details, but let’s hope that we have not set any such clause in the range of Feyenoord’s “most expensive”… www.footballtransfers.com/en/teams/nl/feyenoord/transfers/most-expensive
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Post by MilanStokie on Jul 16, 2024 20:32:41 GMT
Let's just agree here that Feyenoord are a really big club, it would be a huge step up. The league they play in is not a step up, but that's besides the point when Champions League football is involved. I'd like to agree with you on the 2nd point, but we just have no idea how he would react (nationality aside) if we have made promises for his career and then proceeded in breaking them. It would also send a horrible message to future young talent. It's a tricky one and a situation that needs careful management. Connected to both points is your original reference to a policy of “selling big”. Feyenoord, as a big club, with CL status will, therefore, be well equipped to act like one to break their transfer fee habits and buy big. We may well have made promises for his career when an appropriately large clause, befitting of a CL club with the income and status of CL, has been triggered.None of us know the details, but let’s hope that we have not set any such clause in the range of Feyenoord’s “most expensive”… www.footballtransfers.com/en/teams/nl/feyenoord/transfers/most-expensiveAll relative isn't it? £1.5m buy and sell for £8m is still a significant increase, whether we think that is far to low for Bae or not.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 16, 2024 20:42:31 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c035mn4pl4zoMaybe 8-figures would be possible with the Wieffer money and Slot compo bringing in £40m plus more guaranteed CL money? But what our minimum would be to give the green light, who knows. But if you add in agent and player pressure, does something like £13-14m get it done .....?
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Post by LDE76 on Jul 16, 2024 20:48:00 GMT
He ain't for Rotterdam or anywhere Liverpool or Rome Feyenoord can fuck right off We're keeping Bae Jun-ho, we're keeping Bae Jun-ho*
*This may not bear any resemblance to reality.
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Post by onefatcopper on Jul 16, 2024 20:48:07 GMT
We’ve had alleged interest from Spurs for Burger and Feyenoord for Jun-ho. Are we pimping these guys out through an agent so we can have a rebuild? No. Good players are going to be on the radar of teams, simple as that. Players like Burger and Bae will be being watched week in week out It’s not only first team footballers who are scrutinised by the big clubs in the UK & Europe, its players in the under21s right through to the School kids, if they spot talent they will pounce promising the world. The only way for Stoke to have a chance of keeping hold of its promising first team players is to make a strong start to the season and be in the mix around the New Year and the opening of the transfer market, we have to prove for once that we have ambition
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jul 16, 2024 20:50:02 GMT
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Post by LDE76 on Jul 16, 2024 20:51:40 GMT
Can Rotterdam centre match the attractions of Hanley though? Is there a Tesco express he can live near? These things are factors One of his hobbies is collecting the code numbers off shipping containers, and Rotterdam pisses all over North Staffs on that score.
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Post by Marc01 on Jul 16, 2024 20:56:50 GMT
Connected to both points is your original reference to a policy of “selling big”. Feyenoord, as a big club, with CL status will, therefore, be well equipped to act like one to break their transfer fee habits and buy big. We may well have made promises for his career when an appropriately large clause, befitting of a CL club with the income and status of CL, has been triggered.None of us know the details, but let’s hope that we have not set any such clause in the range of Feyenoord’s “most expensive”… www.footballtransfers.com/en/teams/nl/feyenoord/transfers/most-expensiveAll relative isn't it? £1.5m buy and sell for £8m is still a significant increase, whether we think that is far to low for Bae or not. Not a significant increase when selling to a CL club whose record fee appears to be 8m euros (£6.7m). It’s selling a prize asset for peanuts. Nowhere near “selling big” in today’s market. Feyenoord sold Dirk Kuyt to Liverpool for £9m 18 years ago. It’s a totally different stratosphere now (with FFP considerations and generally ludicrous fees); they’ve just “sold” their manager to Liverpool for more than that Kuyt fee. Not to mention that we know nothing of the initial transfer fee for Bae or any selling on fee due to DHC. It’s all in the detail and we have to hope that Stoke are smart enough to realise that setting trigger clauses for when CL clubs are interested = selling big rather than sub Tom Ince, Benik Afobe (Summer 2018) type fees…
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jul 16, 2024 20:58:00 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c035mn4pl4zoMaybe 8-figures would be possible with the Wieffer money and Slot compo bringing in £40m plus more guaranteed CL money? But what our minimum would be to give the green light, who knows. But if you add in agent and player pressure, does something like £13-14m get it done .....? I'd say £12m plus or not at all. Try to push to £15m. That's what his potential is worth and what he's worth to us if we lose him. We have the contract, we dictate the terms.
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Jul 16, 2024 21:06:59 GMT
Good news I suppose. If there is a chance of him going then the more clubs interested the better. Would still like another season from him first though!
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