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Post by tommystoke123 on Jul 28, 2024 18:58:12 GMT
Stoke fans have a weird obsession with players who run around a lot and then slate players who don’t (Arnie, Nzonzi to name a few)
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 28, 2024 19:04:41 GMT
I hope Leris goes and we bring in a pacy winger like Dembele at Birmingham as a replacement.  |
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Post by baconburger on Jul 28, 2024 19:05:05 GMT
He’s not average. He can’t control a ball. Terrible player who does nothing well bar win headers. Did you see the second goal v Crewe? Agenda Very inconsistent touch and control, terrible output throughout his whole career. 1 goal involvement in a pre season friendly vs Crewe and it’s all out the window |
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Post by thornestein on Jul 28, 2024 19:11:31 GMT
are we losing or making money on him 🤷♂️ They would need to pay us €1.67m for us to break even on him how ? |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 28, 2024 19:12:37 GMT
£750k, scored a screamer against Bristol, could headbutt a street lamp with one leap but was generally a beige player.
Cheap gamble that didn’t work out, hope he does well in future endeavours.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 28, 2024 19:16:26 GMT
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Post by hamsta2 on Jul 28, 2024 19:17:04 GMT
Dear me. Bloke makes a good living out of, according to some, being crap. For the record I don’t think in football you can make a living if you’re not very good at it. In the real world, people can. That’s life.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 28, 2024 19:24:05 GMT
They would need to pay us €1.67m for us to break even on him how ? About £566,000 left on the books if he signed a 3 year deal miles less than we’d have to pay him over another 2 years. |
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Post by damagedswan on Jul 28, 2024 21:11:05 GMT
Lol that's exactly my point - you seem to think he would have deserved the exact same treatment if he had been just as untalented as he was but had been completely unprofessional and put no effort in whatsoever. That rankles with people - if we can't encourage effort and discourage lack of effort, we have no influence over anything as fans, because we can't make players better. It shouldn’t. His effort was pointless as he was talentless. It meant nothing. I don’t get why people don’t just go and watch a marathon if you want to watch triers and runners. No one wanted to watch Mehdi Leris try hard but constantly miscontrol the ball over and over again. They had to because he ran out onto the pitch in a Stoke shirt. The moment that happened - even if he wasn't really good enough to play - his effort on the pitch became important to people. The way most have spoken about him here is a reflection of that. Evidently my attempt to offer an alternative reason as to why your posts have been criticised here has not really cut through as you don't seem to have engaged with it at all - which is obviously fine - but your own reason (idiot Stoke fans can't handle criticism of the talentless energy merchants they are obsessed with) doesn't actually make sense in this case given that almost nobody here actually thinks Leris was any good. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2024 21:13:46 GMT
It shouldn’t. His effort was pointless as he was talentless. It meant nothing. I don’t get why people don’t just go and watch a marathon if you want to watch triers and runners. No one wanted to watch Mehdi Leris try hard but constantly miscontrol the ball over and over again. They had to because he ran out onto the pitch in a Stoke shirt. The moment that happened - even if he wasn't really good enough to play - his effort on the pitch became important to people. The way most have spoken about him here is a reflection of that. Evidently my attempt to offer an alternative reason as to why your posts have been criticised here has not really cut through as you don't seem to have engaged with it at all - which is obviously fine - but your own reason (idiot Stoke fans can't handle criticism of the talentless energy merchants they are obsessed with) doesn't actually make sense in this case given that almost nobody here actually thinks Leris was any good. No it didn’t. If you’re not good enough it’s irrelevant. I couldn’t care why they’re criticised. Of course it makes sense. Stoke fans love a trier and seem to get defensive over nothing plauers all the time. Save your energy for someone worth giving a shit about. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2024 21:18:38 GMT
People are totally missing the point. Leris was, at 850k, a cut price replacement for a very limited footballer in Jacob Brown - which when you sit back and think about it is totally bonkers.
The fact we could potentially make a profit on such a profile of player kind of proves that the model we were using last season absolutely worked and it is another angle to ask just why we've dispensed with it. Like most things in life - in a team you are only as strong as the weakest member and in this case, your model is only as good as your worst deals that you do with it.
We've gone from banjo'ing over 20M on Benik Afobe and Tom Ince to potentially turning a small profit on Mehdi Leris - a 850k work horse from Serie B that was deemed a complete failure.
If it ain't broke - don't fix it.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 28, 2024 21:20:17 GMT
Stoke fans have a weird obsession with players who run around a lot and then slate players who don’t (Arnie, Nzonzi to name a few) Really.... 🤔 Don't recall many slating Arnie and N'zonzi??? Maybe a few grumbles if they had a poor game, but in general, the were proper loved!!! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2024 21:21:21 GMT
Stoke fans have a weird obsession with players who run around a lot and then slate players who don’t (Arnie, Nzonzi to name a few) Really.... 🤔 Don't recall many slating Arnie and N'zonzi??? Maybe a few grumbles if they had a poor game, but in general, the were proper loved!!! You don’t recall very well then. |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 28, 2024 21:24:43 GMT
Really.... 🤔 Don't recall many slating Arnie and N'zonzi??? Maybe a few grumbles if they had a poor game, but in general, the were proper loved!!! You don’t recall very well then. Nobody recalls anything better than you bayern!!! 🙄 |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2024 21:28:10 GMT
You don’t recall very well then. Nobody recalls anything better than you bayern!!! 🙄 Sadly not true. The amount of arguments I used to have on here about Fonz was unreal. Following the same old pattern. I was just being different, wanted the attention blah blah blah and then history was rewritten once he left. As for Arnie. It was lazy this, half arsed that, show pony. Victor Moses got the same. I had to start a thread to show how well he’d actually done. |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 28, 2024 21:47:06 GMT
Nobody recalls anything better than you bayern!!! 🙄 Sadly not true. The amount of arguments I used to have on here about Fonz was unreal. Following the same old pattern. I was just being different, wanted the attention blah blah blah and then history was rewritten once he left. As for Arnie. It was lazy this, half arsed that, show pony. Victor Moses got the same. I had to start a thread to show how well he’d actually done. Yeah, I recall that shit, but as I said, they were usually after a bad game, but in general, Stoke fans loved all those 3 you mention there!!! Arnie was the only one who got off to a slow start, but once he found his feet, the fans loved him!!! Nzonzi, Stoke fans pissed off when he left.... Arnautovic, Stoke fans pissed off when he left.... Moses, ask any Stoke fan if they wanted him on a permanent, and at least 90% would have said yes!!! |
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 28, 2024 21:47:24 GMT
Nobody recalls anything better than you bayern!!! 🙄 Sadly not true. The amount of arguments I used to have on here about Fonz was unreal. Following the same old pattern. I was just being different, wanted the attention blah blah blah and then history was rewritten once he left. As for Arnie. It was lazy this, half arsed that, show pony. Victor Moses got the same. I had to start a thread to show how well he’d actually done. I think Moses was one of the most under-appreciated players we had. He was excellent but fans were very ambivalent towards him and sometimes quite hostile on here. Similar with NZonzi. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2024 21:48:01 GMT
Sadly not true. The amount of arguments I used to have on here about Fonz was unreal. Following the same old pattern. I was just being different, wanted the attention blah blah blah and then history was rewritten once he left. As for Arnie. It was lazy this, half arsed that, show pony. Victor Moses got the same. I had to start a thread to show how well he’d actually done. Yeah, I recall that shit, but as I said, they were usually after a bad game, but in general, Stoke fans loved all those 3 you mention there!!! Arnie was the only one who got off to a slow start, but once he found his feet, the fans loved him!!! Nzonzi, Stoke fans pissed off when he left.... Arnautovic, Stoke fans pissed off when he left.... Moses, ask any Stoke fan if they wanted him on a permanent, and at least 90% would have said yes!!! That’s just not what happened. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 28, 2024 21:52:18 GMT
People are totally missing the point. Leris was, at 850k, a cut price replacement for a very limited footballer in Jacob Brown - which when you sit back and think about it is totally bonkers. The fact we could potentially make a profit on such a profile of player kind of proves that the model we were using last season absolutely worked and it is another angle to ask just why we've dispensed with it. Like most things in life - in a team you are only as strong as the weakest member and in this case, your model is only as good as your worst deals that you do with it. We've gone from banjo'ing over 20M on Benik Afobe and Tom Ince to potentially turning a small profit on Mehdi Leris - a 850k work horse from Serie B that was deemed a complete failure. If it ain't broke - don't fix it. Devil's advocate: Leris was brought in to replace Jacob Brown, as you say. However, I would argue that Brown was our best player for the two years before he left and what set him apart from a bog standard workhorse was that he had a seriously good eye for goal. I know that not everybody will agree with that. So far as I can see, Leris has all of the attributes of Brown except for his most useful one: the attacking output. Personally, I would have persevered with Jared on the basis of the signings of Junho, Burger and Manhoef, but we spent the season with a poor squad that just barely scraped clear of the relegation zone. That's not a success for the recruitment team. I'm not sure that 'the players who made up the spine of the team were identified by the manager and were nothing to do with Jared' is a particularly stirring defence of the recruitment team, either. |
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 28, 2024 21:53:23 GMT
Stoke fans have a weird obsession with players who run around a lot and then slate players who don’t (Arnie, Nzonzi to name a few) Really.... 🤔 Don't recall many slating Arnie and N'zonzi??? Maybe a few grumbles if they had a poor game, but in general, the were proper loved!!! I do. Every time Arnie fucked up and waved his arms about he would have people round me calling him a wanker. |
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 28, 2024 21:56:15 GMT
A very decent squad player is Leris, if he does go the very best of luck to him, l liked him and he had more to his game than just 'run around a lot'. The people that say that clearly have little knowledge regarding the modern game.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 28, 2024 21:56:15 GMT
Sadly not true. The amount of arguments I used to have on here about Fonz was unreal. Following the same old pattern. I was just being different, wanted the attention blah blah blah and then history was rewritten once he left. As for Arnie. It was lazy this, half arsed that, show pony. Victor Moses got the same. I had to start a thread to show how well he’d actually done. I think Moses was one of the most under-appreciated players we had. He was excellent but fans were very ambivalent towards and sometimes quite hostile on here. Similar with NZonzi. My controversial Stoke opinion is that Moses was miles better than Shaqiri and was better suited to our style of play. That was such an enjoyable season. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jul 28, 2024 21:57:40 GMT
Sadly not true. The amount of arguments I used to have on here about Fonz was unreal. Following the same old pattern. I was just being different, wanted the attention blah blah blah and then history was rewritten once he left. As for Arnie. It was lazy this, half arsed that, show pony. Victor Moses got the same. I had to start a thread to show how well he’d actually done. Yeah, I recall that shit, but as I said, they were usually after a bad game, but in general, Stoke fans loved all those 3 you mention there!!! Arnie was the only one who got off to a slow start, but once he found his feet, the fans loved him!!! Nzonzi, Stoke fans pissed off when he left.... Arnautovic, Stoke fans pissed off when he left.... Moses, ask any Stoke fan if they wanted him on a permanent, and at least 90% would have said yes!!! Yep can't argue with that, Terror Arnie started off quite slow yep but were good glimpses there. Nzonzi was a stand out most weeks and regularly MOM for many and Moses could turn matches, well he did a few times and would have loved him to stay but didn't seeing it happening. Had his off days but everyone did |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2024 21:59:17 GMT
A very decent squad player is Leris, if he does go the very best of luck to him, l liked him and he had more to his game than just 'run around a lot'. The people that say that clearly have little knowledge regarding the modern game. Yeah he could win headers. But past that. Nothing. Trapping a ball should be the bear minimum really and he usually failed with that. |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 28, 2024 22:00:06 GMT
Really.... 🤔 Don't recall many slating Arnie and N'zonzi??? Maybe a few grumbles if they had a poor game, but in general, the were proper loved!!! I do. Every time Arnie fucked up and waved his arms about he would have people round me calling him a wanker. As I say, that happened at first, as Arnie got off to a slow start, and with nobody knowing a great deal about him, his poor to average performances where frustrating... But once he found his feet here, in general, the fans loved him!!! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2024 22:00:43 GMT
Yeah, I recall that shit, but as I said, they were usually after a bad game, but in general, Stoke fans loved all those 3 you mention there!!! Arnie was the only one who got off to a slow start, but once he found his feet, the fans loved him!!! Nzonzi, Stoke fans pissed off when he left.... Arnautovic, Stoke fans pissed off when he left.... Moses, ask any Stoke fan if they wanted him on a permanent, and at least 90% would have said yes!!! Yep can't argue with that, Terror Arnie started off quite slow yep but were good glimpses there. Nzonzi was a stand out most weeks and regularly MOM for many and Moses could turn matches, well he did a few times and would have loved him to stay but didn't seeing it happening. Had his off days but everyone did You remember the rewritten history part because people don’t want to admit they looked stupid. It’s all quite amusing. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jul 28, 2024 22:08:45 GMT
Yep can't argue with that, Terror Arnie started off quite slow yep but were good glimpses there. Nzonzi was a stand out most weeks and regularly MOM for many and Moses could turn matches, well he did a few times and would have loved him to stay but didn't seeing it happening. Had his off days but everyone did You remember the rewritten history part because people don’t want to admit they looked stupid. It’s all quite amusing. Yes you got everything right and is all about you being great There you go ..history re re written |
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 28, 2024 22:10:03 GMT
Yep can't argue with that, Terror Arnie started off quite slow yep but were good glimpses there. Nzonzi was a stand out most weeks and regularly MOM for many and Moses could turn matches, well he did a few times and would have loved him to stay but didn't seeing it happening. Had his off days but everyone did You remember the rewritten history part because people don’t want to admit they looked stupid. It’s all quite amusing. I'm with bayern on this one, I used to get so pissed off reading the crap on here week in and week out about NZonzi (passing sideways and backwards, cant be arsed attitude, bone idle, uncommitted, no end product, shirking responsibility etc, etc) Many a time when he had particularly cracking games, there would still be negative comments that it was because he had decided to show up. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2024 22:10:54 GMT
You remember the rewritten history part because people don’t want to admit they looked stupid. It’s all quite amusing. I'm with bayern on this one, I used to get so pissed off reading the crap on here week in and week out about NZonzi (passing sideways and backwards, cant be arsed attitude, bone idle, uncommitted, no end product, shirking responsibility etc, etc) Many a time when he had particularly cracking games, there would still be negative comments that it was because he had decided to show up. “Le sulk” |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2024 22:12:50 GMT
You remember the rewritten history part because people don’t want to admit they looked stupid. It’s all quite amusing. Yes you got everything right and is all about you being great There you go ..history re re written No I don’t. But the hours upon hours of being told I was just saying Nzonzi was good for attention, to be different and the usual fucking bollocks you lot come up with won’t let me sit here and let you get away with saying that most people thought he was good. Because it simply isn’t true. |
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