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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 28, 2024 22:15:53 GMT
You remember the rewritten history part because people don’t want to admit they looked stupid. It’s all quite amusing. I'm with bayern on this one, I used to get so pissed off reading the crap on here week in and week out about NZonzi (passing sideways and backwards, cant be arsed attitude, bone idle, uncommitted, no end product, shirking responsibility etc, etc) Many a time when he had particularly cracking games, there would still be negative comments that it was because he had decided to show up. We all moaned from time to time about everyone's performance, that's the way we as fans became in the Prem, you get the Prem bug, nobody is ever good enough!!! But the point is, in general, we loved those players, we wanted them to remain at Stoke, and when all 3 (Arnie, moses, and Nzonzi) were included in the starting 11, we were more than happy!!! |
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 28, 2024 22:16:36 GMT
A very decent squad player is Leris, if he does go the very best of luck to him, l liked him and he had more to his game than just 'run around a lot'. The people that say that clearly have little knowledge regarding the modern game. Yeah he could win headers. But past that. Nothing. Trapping a ball should be the bear minimum really and he usually failed with that. He was an outlet with his heading ability and he covered the full back position well, I don't think anyone is suggesting he's a world beater but he most definitely isn't shit, that's why good European sides are interested in him. He's a very decent squad player we'll struggle to replace |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2024 22:17:59 GMT
Yeah he could win headers. But past that. Nothing. Trapping a ball should be the bear minimum really and he usually failed with that. He was an outlet with his heading ability and he covered the full back position well, I don't think anyone is suggesting he's a world beater but he most definitely isn't shit, that's why good European sides are interested in him. He's a very decent squad player we'll struggle to replace He was because we had nothing else. A massive failure of the manager. He’s going to Serie B and we have Gooch who is better than him at every aspect of football bar aerial duels and covers more positions. |
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 28, 2024 22:23:30 GMT
He was an outlet with his heading ability and he covered the full back position well, I don't think anyone is suggesting he's a world beater but he most definitely isn't shit, that's why good European sides are interested in him. He's a very decent squad player we'll struggle to replace He was because we had nothing else. A massive failure of the manager. He’s going to Serie B and we have Gooch who is better than him at every aspect of football bar aerial duels and covers more positions. So is Pisa where he's leaning towards? |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 28, 2024 22:24:03 GMT
Yes you got everything right and is all about you being great There you go ..history re re written No I don’t. But the hours upon hours of being told I was just saying Nzonzi was good for attention, to be different and the usual fucking bollocks you lot come up with won’t let me sit here and let you get away with saying that most people thought he was good. Because it simply isn’t true. How can you say you don't get everything right??? When you simply correct EVERYBODY and EVERYTHING, to the point that people just end up giving up on you.... Not because you're right, as you like to think, but because arguing or discussing something with you just becomes extremely tedious in the end!!! |
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 28, 2024 22:25:41 GMT
He was an outlet with his heading ability and he covered the full back position well, I don't think anyone is suggesting he's a world beater but he most definitely isn't shit, that's why good European sides are interested in him. He's a very decent squad player we'll struggle to replace He was because we had nothing else. A massive failure of the manager. He’s going to Serie B and we have Gooch who is better than him at every aspect of football bar aerial duels and covers more positions. He's going from second tier football in England to second tier football in Italy good luck to the lad, I've seen far worse at Stoke than Leris at far more money. Gooch is no better than Leris and probably comes in at twice the cost. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2024 22:25:59 GMT
No I don’t. But the hours upon hours of being told I was just saying Nzonzi was good for attention, to be different and the usual fucking bollocks you lot come up with won’t let me sit here and let you get away with saying that most people thought he was good. Because it simply isn’t true. How can you say you don't get everything right??? When you simply correct EVERYBODY and EVERYTHING, to the point that people just end up giving up on you.... Not because you're right, as you like to think, but because arguing or discussing something with you just becomes extremely tedious in the end!!! Stop being wrong then. Ffs 🤣🤦♂️ |
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Post by a on Jul 28, 2024 22:27:49 GMT
It is indeed weird that Stoke fans love shit footballers and triers like Leris so much. He’s done nothing for this club. What is is Tatlock used to say? Thanks for nothing, now fuck off? Applies to Leris. I agree but it’s also strange fans thinking all the u21s are world beaters. Leris isn’t shit he’s a average squad player I was going to say, the hypocrisy would be staggering if it was anyone else. |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 28, 2024 22:29:15 GMT
How can you say you don't get everything right??? When you simply correct EVERYBODY and EVERYTHING, to the point that people just end up giving up on you.... Not because you're right, as you like to think, but because arguing or discussing something with you just becomes extremely tedious in the end!!! Stop being wrong then. Ffs 🤣🤦♂️ I would, but I'm not!!! 😏 |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2024 22:30:04 GMT
I agree but it’s also strange fans thinking all the u21s are world beaters. Leris isn’t shit he’s a average squad player I was going to say, the hypocrisy would be staggering if it was anyone else. Trust you to quote some factually incorrect horseshit and agree with it. |
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Post by biddulphchav on Jul 28, 2024 22:32:38 GMT
I’m probably in the minority here but I’d have kept him over Gooch. Scored some good goals and his heading ability is incredible and a great & different option. I’d have kept him too. He was a great outlet when protecting a lead, simply outstanding in the air and a really good engine. Much prefer him to Gooch who for me is really a player that’s never been good enough to nail down a position and reminds me on Joe Allen - plenty of huff and puff but nothing to show for it. Hopefully we’ve someone lined up to replace him. |
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Post by a on Jul 28, 2024 22:33:16 GMT
I was going to say, the hypocrisy would be staggering if it was anyone else. Trust you to quote some factually incorrect horseshit and agree with it. Trust you to argue with everyone who you disagree with. Don’t get mad at me for your own insecurities 😉 |
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Post by Gods on Jul 28, 2024 22:34:13 GMT
I’m probably in the minority here but I’d have kept him over Gooch. Scored some good goals and his heading ability is incredible and a great & different option. I’d have kept him too. He was a great outlet when protecting a lead, simply outstanding in the air and a really good engine. Much prefer him to Gooch who for me is really a player that’s never been good enough to nail down a position and reminds me on Joe Allen - plenty of huff and puff but nothing to show for it. Hopefully we’ve someone lined up to replace him. I doubt it! |
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Post by a on Jul 28, 2024 22:35:38 GMT
I’m probably in the minority here but I’d have kept him over Gooch. Scored some good goals and his heading ability is incredible and a great & different option. I’d have kept him too. He was a great outlet when protecting a lead, simply outstanding in the air and a really good engine. Much prefer him to Gooch who for me is really a player that’s never been good enough to nail down a position and reminds me on Joe Allen - plenty of huff and puff but nothing to show for it. Hopefully we’ve someone lined up to replace him. Maybe we’ve got someone better lined up to replace him. I didn’t mind him, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt being his first season in this league but I won’t get bent out of shape if he goes, so long as we replace him. Besides Million and Vidigal we don’t have an embarrassment of riches in the wide positions. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2024 22:40:26 GMT
Trust you to quote some factually incorrect horseshit and agree with it. Trust you to argue with everyone who you disagree with. Don’t get mad at me for your own insecurities 😉 Well I’m not going to argue with people that agree with me with me, am I smartarse🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by biddulphchav on Jul 28, 2024 22:40:51 GMT
I’d have kept him too. He was a great outlet when protecting a lead, simply outstanding in the air and a really good engine. Much prefer him to Gooch who for me is really a player that’s never been good enough to nail down a position and reminds me on Joe Allen - plenty of huff and puff but nothing to show for it. Hopefully we’ve someone lined up to replace him. Maybe we’ve got someone better lined up to replace him. I didn’t mind him, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt being his first season in this league but I won’t get bent out of shape if he goes, so long as we replace him. Besides Million and Vidigal we don’t have an embarrassment of riches in the wide positions. Yeah I’m not devastated by the news but I do think he had something a bit different to any of the other options we’ve got out wide. Sort of a defensive winger type role - could probably even play up front if we were hanging on as he wins so many balls off goal kicks etc. I can’t remember a player win as many headers as he seemed to do to be fair. I do hope we offload Gooch too, and bring in a couple of upgrades. Jury is out on Vidigal for me, this season is make or break. |
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Post by a on Jul 28, 2024 22:57:29 GMT
Trust you to argue with everyone who you disagree with. Don’t get mad at me for your own insecurities 😉 Well I’m not going to argue with people that agree with me with me, am I smartarse🤣🤣🤣 Or you can just accept a difference of opinion and move on, then again… |
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Post by a on Jul 28, 2024 22:58:11 GMT
Maybe we’ve got someone better lined up to replace him. I didn’t mind him, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt being his first season in this league but I won’t get bent out of shape if he goes, so long as we replace him. Besides Million and Vidigal we don’t have an embarrassment of riches in the wide positions. Yeah I’m not devastated by the news but I do think he had something a bit different to any of the other options we’ve got out wide. Sort of a defensive winger type role - could probably even play up front if we were hanging on as he wins so many balls off goal kicks etc. I can’t remember a player win as many headers as he seemed to do to be fair. I do hope we offload Gooch too, and bring in a couple of upgrades. Jury is out on Vidigal for me, this season is make or break. Yea I’m with you on that. I’m hoping Vidigal comes good but we’ll have to wait and see. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2024 22:59:18 GMT
Well I’m not going to argue with people that agree with me with me, am I smartarse🤣🤣🤣 Or you can just accept a difference of opinion and move on, then again… That’s not how arguing a point works 🤣🤦♂️ |
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Post by a on Jul 29, 2024 0:03:39 GMT
Or you can just accept a difference of opinion and move on, then again… That’s not how arguing a point works 🤣🤦♂️ You’ve maybe not figured it out yet then. Life is too short to waste time and energy arguing, especially if like me you’re lucky enough to have other more important things going on in your life. Hopefully you have that too some day. |
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Post by biddulphchav on Jul 29, 2024 0:15:24 GMT
That’s not how arguing a point works 🤣🤦♂️ You’ve maybe not figured it out yet then. Life is too short to waste time and energy arguing, especially if like me you’re lucky enough to have other more important things going on in your life. Hopefully you have that too some day. I think you are missing the point. Bayern doesn’t believe he has opinions, he believes he deals only in facts. Humility is not his strong suit. I wouldn’t waste your time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2024 0:51:59 GMT
Trust you to argue with everyone who you disagree with. Don’t get mad at me for your own insecurities 😉 Well I’m not going to argue with people that agree with me with me, am I smartarse🤣🤣🤣 I wouldn’t put it past you sometimes bud 😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2024 4:24:06 GMT
People are totally missing the point. Leris was, at 850k, a cut price replacement for a very limited footballer in Jacob Brown - which when you sit back and think about it is totally bonkers. The fact we could potentially make a profit on such a profile of player kind of proves that the model we were using last season absolutely worked and it is another angle to ask just why we've dispensed with it. Like most things in life - in a team you are only as strong as the weakest member and in this case, your model is only as good as your worst deals that you do with it. We've gone from banjo'ing over 20M on Benik Afobe and Tom Ince to potentially turning a small profit on Mehdi Leris - a 850k work horse from Serie B that was deemed a complete failure. If it ain't broke - don't fix it. Devil's advocate: Leris was brought in to replace Jacob Brown, as you say. However, I would argue that Brown was our best player for the two years before he left and what set him apart from a bog standard workhorse was that he had a seriously good eye for goal. I know that not everybody will agree with that. So far as I can see, Leris has all of the attributes of Brown except for his most useful one: the attacking output. Personally, I would have persevered with Jared on the basis of the signings of Junho, Burger and Manhoef, but we spent the season with a poor squad that just barely scraped clear of the relegation zone. That's not a success for the recruitment team. I'm not sure that 'the players who made up the spine of the team were identified by the manager and were nothing to do with Jared' is a particularly stirring defence of the recruitment team, either. Brown cost 2.5M in the first place and was sold for nearly 6M. Leris cost 850k. That's the crux of it. He was a cheap replacement for what was an already bog average performer, albeit one of our better attacking players. For context, only Burger and Manhoef cost more than what we originally paid for Brown out of well over 20 players signed. The point is you are probably going to get a player who has very little output but lots of graft at that price point. 850k barely gets you a good non league player in this country these days. The bonus is that it looks like we are making a small profit on him. Even if we make a small loss on him it's still a relative victory given our history. The spine of the side was clearly recruited by Neil. Whether that's a defence of the recruitment team or not we'll never really know because we don't know the alternatives that Jared came up with for those positions and whether Neil turned them down and/or the reasons for turning them down. The easiest assumption is that Neil chose his players because the alternatives from Jared were crap but we don't know that. It might have been a club decision to let the manager pick the majority of the spine? All we can judge Jared on is those that he can be 99% attributed to and it's a pretty good hit rate given the speed they were knocked together, what they cost and what we are likely to get back and that's including a few 'duds' that are always likely to happen. Leris has been described as a dud... |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 29, 2024 5:52:26 GMT
FullerMagicCouldn't you change the title to 'Léris leaning towards Pisa move'? 😗
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 29, 2024 6:43:33 GMT
Transfer market. Pisa targets Algerian Leris from Stoke City. The full-back Angori is being worked on permanently.
Ready for three years for the former Sampdoria and Brescia and 3 million euros for the English. The operation can be closed. Difficulties for Lapadula.
3m euros? Surely some mistake!
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 29, 2024 6:46:36 GMT
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 29, 2024 6:48:04 GMT
If we get €3m euros then some humble pie will be eaten on here 😂
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 29, 2024 6:48:36 GMT
About time we robbed someone else for a change.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 29, 2024 6:51:35 GMT
If we get €3m euros then some humble pie will be eaten on here 😂 Why? A price tag doesn't suddenly mean he's any good. |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 29, 2024 6:53:02 GMT
I guess the way it's worded, €3 million includes 3 years wages.
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