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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2023 9:30:08 GMT
Not when Browns finishing ability isn’t that good it isn’t. Neither are good footballers and neither are what we need. Brown is currently starting games for Luton in the Premier League and fetched a fee of around £5m. I'm sure it was you who scoffed at the suggestion we'd make a profit on him. He'd walk into a team currently 19th in the Championship and would instantly improve us. Brown was crap for stoke. He couldn't trap a ball. Couldn't pass. It suits him playing in a team that is playing defensive route one football. But he does seem to have improved a lot at Luton, which illustrates how crap coaching and management has been at stoke, and maybe that the player never really liked playing for stoke |
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 24, 2023 9:44:27 GMT
Brown is currently starting games for Luton in the Premier League and fetched a fee of around £5m. I'm sure it was you who scoffed at the suggestion we'd make a profit on him. He'd walk into a team currently 19th in the Championship and would instantly improve us. Brown was crap for stoke. He couldn't trap a ball. Couldn't pass. It suits him playing in a team that is playing defensive route one football. But he does seem to have improved a lot at Luton, which illustrates how crap coaching and management has been at stoke, and maybe that the player never really liked playing for stoke I disagree. He wasn't crap for Stoke at all. There were elements to his game that frustrated, but he worked his bollocks off every game and was effective despite having some obvious flaws in his game. If he'd got an excellent touch and passing ability to go with the work-rate and knack for goals that he had, he'd never have been at a team like Stoke. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 24, 2023 9:47:04 GMT
I'm sorry to say this, but Leris hasn't got enough pace or skills to play on the wing. He isn't a right back either, so I really don't know where to play him to be honest.  |
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 24, 2023 9:48:15 GMT
I'm sorry to say this, but Leris hasn't got enough pace or skills to play on the wing. He isn't a right back either, so I really don't know where to play him to be honest. He just looks out of his depth at this level. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 24, 2023 9:50:19 GMT
Not when Browns finishing ability isn’t that good it isn’t. Neither are good footballers and neither are what we need. Brown is currently starting games for Luton in the Premier League and fetched a fee of around £5m. I'm sure it was you who scoffed at the suggestion we'd make a profit on him. He'd walk into a team currently 19th in the Championship and would instantly improve us. Leris was a regular in Serie A. We were shit with Brown and he played his part in that. We fleeced them. Happy days. |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 24, 2023 9:51:36 GMT
I'm sorry to say this, but Leris hasn't got enough pace or skills to play on the wing. He isn't a right back either, so I really don't know where to play him to be honest. Really inconsistent first touch, little creativity or output best position is on the bench bring him on as a negative change if we ever have a decent lead to protect ie not one solitary goal for a large portion of a game. |
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Post by march4 on Dec 24, 2023 9:55:08 GMT
I had high hopes for the lad when he first joined but I’m afraid he isn’t good enough.
All 3 of yesterday’s starters in attack need replacing (and those on the subs bench aren’t any better).
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Dec 24, 2023 9:56:57 GMT
Brown is currently starting games for Luton in the Premier League and fetched a fee of around £5m. I'm sure it was you who scoffed at the suggestion we'd make a profit on him. He'd walk into a team currently 19th in the Championship and would instantly improve us. Leris was a regular in Serie A. We were shit with Brown and he played his part in that. We fleeced them. Happy days. Leris was a utility player holding no set position down for a team relegated from serie A....he was, like a number of others signed purely to boost the numbers of the squad. Squad player at best. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 24, 2023 9:58:42 GMT
Leris was a regular in Serie A. We were shit with Brown and he played his part in that. We fleeced them. Happy days. Leris was a utility player holding no set position down for a team relegated from serie A....he was, like a number of others signed purely to boost the numbers of the squad. Squad player at best. Which imo is a lovely description of Brown too. Thanks. |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Dec 24, 2023 10:01:35 GMT
Leris was a utility player holding no set position down for a team relegated from serie A....he was, like a number of others signed purely to boost the numbers of the squad. Squad player at best. Which imo is a lovely description of Brown too. Thanks. I beg to differ.. but its Christmas so I wish you a good one and a positive 2024. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 24, 2023 10:02:30 GMT
Which imo is a lovely description of Brown too. Thanks. I beg to differ.. but its Christmas so I wish you a good one and a positive 2024. It’s exactly what Brown was here. Played at least 4 positions and never cemented his place here. |
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Post by satoshi on Dec 24, 2023 10:03:18 GMT
There’s no point saying anyone is shite until ss has had chance to coach them
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 24, 2023 10:04:22 GMT
There’s no point saying anyone is shite until ss has had chance to coach them You can’t coach a touch. His touch always fails him. How he got this far is anyone’s guess. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2023 10:05:30 GMT
Brown was crap for stoke. He couldn't trap a ball. Couldn't pass. It suits him playing in a team that is playing defensive route one football. But he does seem to have improved a lot at Luton, which illustrates how crap coaching and management has been at stoke, and maybe that the player never really liked playing for stoke I disagree. He wasn't crap for Stoke at all. There were elements to his game that frustrated, but he worked his bollocks off every game and was effective despite having some obvious flaws in his game. If he'd got an excellent touch and passing ability to go with the work-rate and knack for goals that he had, he'd never have been at a team like Stoke. I wasn't Brown's biggest fan, but he gets into yesterday's front 3 in a wheelchair. |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 24, 2023 10:06:30 GMT
I had high hopes for the lad when he first joined but I’m afraid he isn’t good enough. All 3 of yesterday’s starters in attack need replacing (and those on the subs bench aren’t any better). There wasn’t any basis for high hopes his career stats are awful. The plan to play an unproductive grafter in front of Hoever is and always was pure folly and that’s from someone who likes and rates Hoever whilst accepting he’s been off form and unproductive for too long. |
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Post by andystokey on Dec 24, 2023 10:07:33 GMT
Leris was a regular in Serie A. We were shit with Brown and he played his part in that. We fleeced them. Happy days. Leris was a utility player holding no set position down for a team relegated from serie A....he was, like a number of others signed purely to boost the numbers of the squad. Squad player at best. I'm not adverse to our recruiting against the required squad numbers. We really were down to bare metal in July. Given FFP I think we can all agree some would, by definition, need to be squad fillers. The problem is we didn't mix that up sufficiently with a bit of quality and experience. As has been said already we maybe have 4 or 5 one would pick from the list to start, and IF they were being coached into some sort of coherent formation. The fact we have consistently not picked those 4/5, coupled with the lack of coaching and formation leaves us where we are. |
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 24, 2023 10:11:42 GMT
I beg to differ.. but its Christmas so I wish you a good one and a positive 2024. It’s exactly what Brown was here. Played at least 4 positions and never cemented his place here. A squad player who played 125 games in 3 seasons. He was one of the first names on the team sheet. |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 24, 2023 10:15:54 GMT
Leris was a utility player holding no set position down for a team relegated from serie A....he was, like a number of others signed purely to boost the numbers of the squad. Squad player at best. I'm not adverse to our recruiting against the required squad numbers. We really were down to bare metal in July. Given FFP I think we can all agree some would, by definition, need to be squad fillers. The problem is we didn't mix that up sufficiently with a bit of quality and experience. As has been said already we maybe have 4 or 5 one would pick from the list to start, and IF they were being coached into some sort of coherent formation. The fact we have consistently not picked those 4/5, coupled with the lack of coaching and formation leaves us where we are. Sorry but AN’s idea of quality and experience were recruited in the signings he described as being for the here and now MR, LG, BP, DJ, Wesley, they’re the worst of the lot give me the ones signed with an eye on the future all day long. |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 24, 2023 10:19:30 GMT
It’s exactly what Brown was here. Played at least 4 positions and never cemented his place here. A squad player who played 125 games in 3 seasons. He was one of the first names on the team sheet. Both managers he played for here tried leaving him out. If he was one of the first names on the teamsheet it was purely because the other options were so poor not because his performances merited it. |
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Post by andystokey on Dec 24, 2023 10:21:25 GMT
I'm not adverse to our recruiting against the required squad numbers. We really were down to bare metal in July. Given FFP I think we can all agree some would, by definition, need to be squad fillers. The problem is we didn't mix that up sufficiently with a bit of quality and experience. As has been said already we maybe have 4 or 5 one would pick from the list to start, and IF they were being coached into some sort of coherent formation. The fact we have consistently not picked those 4/5, coupled with the lack of coaching and formation leaves us where we are. Sorry but AN’s idea of quality and experience were recruited in the signings he described as being for the here and now MR, LG, BP, DJ, Wesley, they’re the worst of the lot give me the ones signed with an eye on the future all day long. I don't disagree none of them have any of the required attributes. What were their total fees? I also can't see MR, BP, DJ and LG coming out of Jared's stats box can you? They must have been AN choice. |
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Post by satoshi on Dec 24, 2023 10:25:37 GMT
There’s no point saying anyone is shite until ss has had chance to coach them You can’t coach a touch. His touch always fails him. How he got this far is anyone’s guess. It’s called confidence. Coaching provides confidence. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 24, 2023 10:27:10 GMT
It’s exactly what Brown was here. Played at least 4 positions and never cemented his place here. A squad player who played 125 games in 3 seasons. He was one of the first names on the team sheet. And look where that got us. He was shite. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 24, 2023 10:27:50 GMT
You can’t coach a touch. His touch always fails him. How he got this far is anyone’s guess. It’s called confidence. Coaching provides confidence. It’s not. Sampdoria fans said he was technically awful. He’s looked awful from the get go here. It’s safe to say he’s awful. |
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Post by satoshi on Dec 24, 2023 10:32:10 GMT
It’s called confidence. Coaching provides confidence. It’s not. Sampdoria fans said he was technically awful. He’s looked awful from the get go here. It’s safe to say he’s awful. Ok everyone is wank. Ho ho ho. |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 24, 2023 10:32:56 GMT
Sorry but AN’s idea of quality and experience were recruited in the signings he described as being for the here and now MR, LG, BP, DJ, Wesley, they’re the worst of the lot give me the ones signed with an eye on the future all day long. I don't disagree none of them have any of the required attributes. What were their total fees? I also can't see MR, BP, DJ and LG coming out of Jared's stats box can you? They must have been AN choice. The combined fee is small because the players have virtually no upside (dead money). The policy has been for quite some time over 2 different managers and 2 different structure to spend fees generally on players with high potential upsides (profit) and low down side (losses). Imo in terms of player trading it’s worked well. The main problems have arisen when we’ve moved away from it to spend big wages on older bigger names who are like a millstone around the clubs neck, Gayle, Wesley, Clarke will BP be the next if he’s not to SS’s taste. I’d go full on Sunderland and only sign players from a certain profile as a hard rule not general guidance. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2023 10:33:06 GMT
I championed Leris when he first came but I hold my hands up and admit he's very poor. He's a very poor man's Jacob Brown.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 24, 2023 10:33:14 GMT
Leris needs to be the first one to be shipped out, he offers absolutely nothing.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 24, 2023 10:37:43 GMT
Hmm on the face of it, not convinced by this one. I think I was being generous back in August, I'm fully convinced he's shit now. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 24, 2023 10:43:59 GMT
Hmm on the face of it, not convinced by this one. I think I was being generous back in August, I'm fully convinced he's shit now. He hasn't played for months and I didn't think he was terrible yesterday. He had confidence back in August which he needs to rediscover but it will take a bit of time. I remember people saying (including me) that him, Mmaee and Vidigal would keep Campbell out of the side. They don't suddenly become bad for no reason. Not that I think Mmaee has looked anything but good recently. |
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Post by retrostoke on Dec 24, 2023 10:45:12 GMT
Stoke fans will tell you every player is Shit at some point. The players just have to wait their turn.
Won’t be long before it’s Juniors turn.
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