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Post by yellowsnowman on Sept 4, 2024 7:53:22 GMT
Get him gone.
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Post by monsoonmoon on Sept 4, 2024 8:13:38 GMT
It’d be interesting how heavily data-led his signing was. From clips in Serbia he looked promising, but you can’t really tell from that how suitable a player is for a move at such a young age. Hopefully the move back to Serbia helps him get his love for the game back again and he can kick on with his career either here or somewhere else.
It probably would’ve been helpful for him to have another player from a similar culture to buddy up with or mentor him. Lessons learned for everyone involved hopefully.
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Post by werrington on Sept 4, 2024 8:17:56 GMT
It’d be interesting how heavily data-led his signing was. From clips in Serbia he looked promising, but you can’t really tell from that how suitable a player is for a move at such a young age. Hopefully the move back to Serbia helps him get his love for the game back again and he can kick on with his career either here or somewhere else. It probably would’ve been helpful for him to have another player from a similar culture to buddy up with or mentor him. Lessons learned for everyone involved hopefully. Junho never had a buddy and that’s a completely different culture from the other side of the world so lessons don’t need to be learned in reality It just hasn’t worked out sadly although down the line it might just as it did with a lad called Ronaldo when he first signed for Man Utd |
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Post by monsoonmoon on Sept 4, 2024 8:28:18 GMT
It’d be interesting how heavily data-led his signing was. From clips in Serbia he looked promising, but you can’t really tell from that how suitable a player is for a move at such a young age. Hopefully the move back to Serbia helps him get his love for the game back again and he can kick on with his career either here or somewhere else. It probably would’ve been helpful for him to have another player from a similar culture to buddy up with or mentor him. Lessons learned for everyone involved hopefully. Junho never had a buddy and that’s a completely different culture from the other side of the world so lessons don’t need to be learned in reality It just hasn’t worked out sadly although down the line it might just as it did with a lad called Ronaldo when he first signed for Man Utd Almost like Jojic and Juhno are two different people, with two different personalities, isn’t it? And you’re entirely happy that we did a thorough check of everything about Jojic? Personality, adaptability, etc. He’s clearly struggled and the club needs to understand why to try and ensure they don’t go down a similar path in the future, and give players joining from overseas the best chance of succeeding. |
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Post by werrington on Sept 4, 2024 9:01:49 GMT
Junho never had a buddy and that’s a completely different culture from the other side of the world so lessons don’t need to be learned in reality It just hasn’t worked out sadly although down the line it might just as it did with a lad called Ronaldo when he first signed for Man Utd Almost like Jojic and Juhno are two different people, with two different personalities, isn’t it? And you’re entirely happy that we did a thorough check of everything about Jojic? Personality, adaptability, etc. He’s clearly struggled and the club needs to understand why to try and ensure they don’t go down a similar path in the future, and give players joining from overseas the best chance of succeeding. Nobody knows until they actually arrive so all the checks in the world can’t replicate that Some work out some don’t |
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 4, 2024 9:33:00 GMT
Almost like Jojic and Juhno are two different people, with two different personalities, isn’t it? And you’re entirely happy that we did a thorough check of everything about Jojic? Personality, adaptability, etc. He’s clearly struggled and the club needs to understand why to try and ensure they don’t go down a similar path in the future, and give players joining from overseas the best chance of succeeding. Nobody knows until they actually arrive so all the checks in the world can’t replicate that Some work out some don’t Onlooker did a really good post regarding Brighton transfers that didn't work out, really helps to put it in to context. A season back home, regain confidence and form could see Jojic come back a different player next summer, or he doesn't improve and we mark him down in the didn't work out pile. Like you said, they don't always work and there's no set formula. |
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Post by werrington on Sept 4, 2024 9:38:56 GMT
Nobody knows until they actually arrive so all the checks in the world can’t replicate that Some work out some don’t Onlooker did a really good post regarding Brighton transfers that didn't work out, really helps to put it in to context. A season back home, regain confidence and form could see Jojic come back a different player next summer, or he doesn't improve and we mark him down in the didn't work out pile. Like you said, they don't always work and there's no set formula. That’s what Manchester United did with Ronaldo mate although I don’t think he actually played for anybody else |
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Post by monsoonmoon on Sept 4, 2024 10:02:48 GMT
Nobody knows until they actually arrive so all the checks in the world can’t replicate that Some work out some don’t Onlooker did a really good post regarding Brighton transfers that didn't work out, really helps to put it in to context. A season back home, regain confidence and form could see Jojic come back a different player next summer, or he doesn't improve and we mark him down in the didn't work out pile. Like you said, they don't always work and there's no set formula. Sure, and I agree that you’re not going to get them all right, that’s just unrealistic. But if you think back to when we signed Arismendi, I think there was a general consensus that we didn’t really do everything within our power to help him settle and therefore become a success. Even if he did, he might have still come up short but you need to have that reflection to figure out if you did. My point is that I’d hope the club looked at the Jojic transfer and could figure out whether they handled it correctly. I think there were probably things the club and player could have done differently, so hopefully if we delve into that market again then we can learn from Jojic (and the successes like Manhoef and Junho) to help the next one up have the best possible chance of success and work out the profile of player which would fit in for us. That’s probably very individual for each persona, so what worked for one won’t work for the other, but you can at least figure out what works for similar profiles. I suspect Brighton for example, looked at the mistakes with someone off the top of my head like Locadia to go out and decide Joao Pedro was a better fit. |
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Post by skip on Sept 4, 2024 10:06:28 GMT
Homesickness is a thing.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 4, 2024 10:06:44 GMT
A truly bizarre transfer. No more bizarre than Junho….one worked out and one didn’t We spent nearly £5m on a very young Arismendi back in the day and he never worked out either a young lad who’s come to a strange country and clearly not settled , nothing bizarre at all , happens some of the times |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 4, 2024 10:23:17 GMT
I hope the club continue to pursue these kind of signings and aren’t put off by this one not working out.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 4, 2024 10:40:08 GMT
I hope the club continue to pursue these kind of signings and aren’t put off by this one not working out. It's risk and reward but that's the case with any signing. The money we'll make on Junho alone will more than make up for any potential loss on Jojic if it comes to that. |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 4, 2024 10:56:25 GMT
Such a big fee, but sometimes things don’t work. He needs to regroup back ‘home’ and hopefully he’ll be better for it.
Many forget he’s 20, away from home and struggling. Can’t be easy for anyone, let alone a young un.
Whoever is sanctioning transfers they will always get some wrong, we know this more than most at Stoke.
They’ll be a few failures in this summers transfers, no point stressing too much. The key is making less failures. We’ve had too many of those, haven’t we Mr Berahino, Mr Wimmer…
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Post by march4 on Sept 4, 2024 11:05:47 GMT
Going back to Serbia on loan Good. |
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Post by march4 on Sept 4, 2024 11:07:09 GMT
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 4, 2024 11:37:08 GMT
From what I saw of him he looked very scrawny and physicality is such a big thing especially in the championship.
Chuck in a young lad, new country, new culture a club that was all over the place.
Hopefully this is an opportunity for him to regain some form and fitness and comes back better for it.
In the grand scheme of things it isn’t a massive amount of money however it would be good if we could turn it around for him more than anything.
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Post by thischarmingmanc on Sept 4, 2024 12:11:13 GMT
I think we are sending him somewhere where if he performs we maybe able to recoup some of our investment.
Its not worked, lets look at a plan where everyone looses least.
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Post by gaznandi on Sept 6, 2024 10:09:51 GMT
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Post by Northy on Sept 6, 2024 10:32:59 GMT
Was that where he came from? It's a little town with a population of about 5,500, (surrounding area totals about 20,000) the ground holds 6000, hardly somewhere like a big City and club like Stoke to help get his confidence up, if that's the issue. |
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Post by femark on Sept 6, 2024 10:39:20 GMT
Was that where he came from? It's a little town with a population of about 5,500, (surrounding area totals about 20,000) the ground holds 6000, hardly somewhere like a big City and club like Stoke to help get his confidence up, if that's the issue. Yeah it's where we had him from. Looks like they've started the season well. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 6, 2024 11:47:51 GMT
Good luck to him 👍🏻
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Post by tuum on Sept 6, 2024 12:00:08 GMT
No more bizarre than Junho….one worked out and one didn’t We spent nearly £5m on a very young Arismendi back in the day and he never worked out either a young lad who’s come to a strange country and clearly not settled , nothing bizarre at all , happens some of the times Have I missed the bit about him not settling? Have the club or the player admitted that they have not settled or are we just assuming that he has struggled to settle? It's a genuine question because I have not been keeping tabs on this story, |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 6, 2024 12:07:29 GMT
I hope the club continue to pursue these kind of signings and aren’t put off by this one not working out. I know he's older mate but the signing of Seko sort of confirms that we still are continuing to bring players in from overseas. |
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Post by femark on Sept 6, 2024 12:16:33 GMT
a young lad who’s come to a strange country and clearly not settled , nothing bizarre at all , happens some of the times Have I missed the bit about him not settling? Have the club or the player admitted that they have not settled or are we just assuming that he has struggled to settle? It's a genuine question because I have not been keeping tabs on this story, Nothing official unless I've missed it? There have been various rumours about him not settling or being difficult. |
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Post by sticky on Sept 6, 2024 17:28:14 GMT
How longs he our player for? Hindsight but prob of been better staying there on loan last season
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 6, 2024 17:48:31 GMT
Was that where he came from? It's a little town with a population of about 5,500, (surrounding area totals about 20,000) the ground holds 6000, hardly somewhere like a big City and club like Stoke to help get his confidence up, if that's the issue. But if he knows the club, players staff and has family close? He will mature naturally and game time in an environment he feels comfortable is the most important thing for him to getting bac. Next season worst case we loan him somewhere further up the pyramid. |
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 6, 2024 19:00:09 GMT
Was that where he came from? It's a little town with a population of about 5,500, (surrounding area totals about 20,000) the ground holds 6000, hardly somewhere like a big City and club like Stoke to help get his confidence up, if that's the issue. But if he knows the club, players staff and has family close? He will mature naturally and game time in an environment he feels comfortable is the most important thing for him to getting bac. Next season worst case we loan him somewhere further up the pyramid. Think the lad needs a reset. Go back home and start performing again, and recalibrate his head in preparation to come back. Maybe he needs his family to remind him what an opportunity he has at Stoke if he can pull himself out of the mire. At the same time, the club need to do their part too. Not sure if we have a player liaison officer, but someone should be keeping in touch with him, asking him how he is, motivate him to perform and come back to challenge for a place in the first team squad. |
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 6, 2024 19:25:30 GMT
But if he knows the club, players staff and has family close? He will mature naturally and game time in an environment he feels comfortable is the most important thing for him to getting bac. Next season worst case we loan him somewhere further up the pyramid. Think the lad needs a reset. Go back home and start performing again, and recalibrate his head in preparation to come back. Maybe he needs his family to remind him what an opportunity he has at Stoke if he can pull himself out of the mire. At the same time, the club need to do their part too. Not sure if we have a player liaison officer, but someone should be keeping in touch with him, asking him how he is, motivate him to perform and come back to challenge for a place in the first team squad. This is probably exactly what’s happening |
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Post by lordb on Sept 6, 2024 21:04:46 GMT
Some good points on this thread but the bottom line is he's simply not good enough,no potential at all to make it
Shocking waste of £2m which is entirely the previous recruitment regimes fault, specifically Jared who pushed for it when all the scouts had said no, not the players
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Post by datguy on Sept 6, 2024 21:50:57 GMT
Some good points on this thread but the bottom line is he's simply not good enough,no potential at all to make it Shocking waste of £2m which is entirely the previous recruitment regimes fault, specifically Jared who pushed for it when all the scouts had said no, not the players £2m? Where’ve you got that figure from? |
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