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Post by etebojan on Apr 16, 2024 12:49:14 GMT
looks like he's played 13 from 17 PL2 matches averaging 60-90 minutes in most of those, scoring 4 goals and 1 assist. was on the bench for the 2 matches prior to most recent Arsenal game, not sure if he featured. Have watched streams for a handful of the U21 matches, and he's looked quite lively and useful, but nothing stand-out or anything to suggest he should be knocking on the first team door ahead of any of the others really
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Post by Northy on Apr 16, 2024 12:53:01 GMT
Looks like money laundering to me, or paying off blackmail  |
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Post by biddulphchav on Apr 16, 2024 14:03:48 GMT
A very very strange signing all things said and done. Of course we need to bring players through our academy, and we do need to signing them from other clubs closer to the first time (like Campbell and Souttar for example), but this did and does seem like a hell of a leap of faith.
Although he may not be pulling up any trees in the 21’s just yet, got to remember he’s a very young man, playing and living in a very different environment to what he’s used to. Hopefully we see him on the fringes of the first team next season and eventually breaking into it during it. If not I think we may not see any return on what’s always seemed like a high risk gamble
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Post by bloodtypered on May 16, 2024 9:03:48 GMT
What's happened to him?
He looked a good player against Rotherham in the 6-1 win
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Post by nottsover60 on May 16, 2024 9:29:47 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised to see him heading back to Serbia. He is obviously more talented than his appearances for Stoke suggest which leads me to think that he has not adapted well to living and playing over here and that he is not happy. He is about the same age as Bae so not a particularly young player we can wait around for so admitting it hasn't worked and allowing him to go back home would be best for both parties.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2024 9:54:32 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised to see him heading back to Serbia. He is obviously more talented than his appearances for Stoke suggest which leads me to think that he has not adapted well to living and playing over here and that he is not happy. He is about the same age as Bae so not a particularly young player we can wait around for so admitting it hasn't worked and allowing him to go back home would be best for both parties. Sometimes takes more than one season for players like him. Sure we'll see the best out of Bae next season as compared to this for example. (Wouldn't surprise me with Leris too.) |
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Post by femark on May 16, 2024 10:02:48 GMT
Maybe he needs to go out on loan, either back to Serbia or a similar level. Bundesliga 2 or Austrian Bungesliga.
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Post by mickstupp on May 16, 2024 10:51:45 GMT
He’s had a full season now so the club will know his abilities and need to make the right call for him. Certainly looked nothing special for the U21s against Newcastle a couple of weeks ago. Hope it works out for him.
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Post by robwahlmann on May 16, 2024 11:45:39 GMT
A lot of money spent if he turns out to be a nothing player I say!  |
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Post by bertiestan on May 16, 2024 14:15:22 GMT
A lot of money spent if he turns out to be a nothing player I say! Maybe Rob but maybe it will be a drop in the ocean compared to what we gain if we sell Bae or Burger in the future 🔴⚪️ |
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 16, 2024 14:26:49 GMT
A lot of money spent if he turns out to be a nothing player I say! We've spent more on less. |
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Post by robwahlmann on May 16, 2024 14:42:53 GMT
A lot of money spent if he turns out to be a nothing player I say! Maybe Rob but maybe it will be a drop in the ocean compared to what we gain if we sell Bae or Burger in the future 🔴⚪️ That is true, but on the other hand we have made so many big mistakes in the transfer market over the last decade that it's unbelievable. Hopefully we have and will do more good ones in the future!  |
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Post by robwahlmann on May 16, 2024 14:44:12 GMT
A lot of money spent if he turns out to be a nothing player I say! We've spent more on less. That is certainly true as well, but we had more money available then I'd say. |
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Post by bertiestan on May 16, 2024 15:08:04 GMT
Maybe Rob but maybe it will be a drop in the ocean compared to what we gain if we sell Bae or Burger in the future 🔴⚪️ That is true, but on the other hand we have made so many big mistakes in the transfer market over the last decade that it's unbelievable. Hopefully we have and will do more good ones in the future! If we hadn’t dropped a bollock or ten in the past mate we wouldn’t be where we are…but hopefully if we can add a few more to go with the promising youngsters the future could look quite decent🔴⚪️ |
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Post by baconburger on May 17, 2024 6:40:43 GMT
When you speculate on players you should not expect a high success rate. If you buy 5 and 1 turns out to be a big success there’s nothing wrong with that. You’ll seldom achieve a success rate that we did last season(sounds silly given what an awful season it has been). The fees are an insignificance you just have to make sure the contracts are not so lucrative that they want to sit on them if they don’t make the grade. I have no idea whether this lad will come good but the process is a correct one and a much higher rate of attrition should be expected than we’ve experienced so far.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2024 6:57:29 GMT
People should hold back on the criticism a bit with this one. The lad is still only young and might make a breakthrough in the next 18 months, we don't know yet but as said above when you dip into this market you have to expect some failures to hit the huge successes that we still might with the likes of Manhoef, Bae et al. It's a whole load better than the road we've been down before.
People use Brighton as a good example with the success they've had with the likes of Estupinan and Caicedo to name but two yet a more granular look at their model will show a fair few failures too, along with a fair few maybe's. Some examples:
Andi Zeqiri - signed as a 20 year old for 4M in 2020 - played 9 games in 3 years before being sold for half the fee they paid.
Michał Karbownik - signed as a 19 year old in 2020 - played 0 games in 3 years before being sold for half the fee they paid.
Kacper Kozlowski - signed for 11M as an 18 year old and has yet to make an appearance for them. Is currently out on loan. (probably not the best example as he'll probably go on to be very decent...)
Adrian Mazilu - signed for 4M as an 18 year old and has yet to make an appearance for them. Is currently out on loan.
Yasin Ayari - signed for 4M as a 19 year old and has made just 3 appearances before making a few loan moves to the Championship.
The major successes that Brighton have had have been the big money signings that they have paid 15M+ for and flipped. That could easily be replicated at this club by flipping our bigger money signings in Burger, Bae and Manhoef.
Thankfully we look to be moving to model that tries to make an omelette rather than a pigs ear - which sadly means we have to break a few eggs along the way.
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Post by baconburger on May 17, 2024 8:41:41 GMT
People should hold back on the criticism a bit with this one. The lad is still only young and might make a breakthrough in the next 18 months, we don't know yet but as said above when you dip into this market you have to expect some failures to hit the huge successes that we still might with the likes of Manhoef, Bae et al. It's a whole load better than the road we've been down before. People use Brighton as a good example with the success they've had with the likes of Estupinan and Caicedo to name but two yet a more granular look at their model will show a fair few failures too, along with a fair few maybe's. Some examples: Andi Zeqiri - signed as a 20 year old for 4M in 2020 - played 9 games in 3 years before being sold for half the fee they paid. Michał Karbownik - signed as a 19 year old in 2020 - played 0 games in 3 years before being sold for half the fee they paid. Kacper Kozlowski - signed for 11M as an 18 year old and has yet to make an appearance for them. Is currently out on loan. (probably not the best example as he'll probably go on to be very decent...) Adrian Mazilu - signed for 4M as an 18 year old and has yet to make an appearance for them. Is currently out on loan. Yasin Ayari - signed for 4M as a 19 year old and has made just 3 appearances before making a few loan moves to the Championship. The major successes that Brighton have had have been the big money signings that they have paid 15M+ for and flipped. That could easily be replicated at this club by flipping our bigger money signings in Burger, Bae and Manhoef. Thankfully we look to be moving to model that tries to make an omelette rather than a pigs ear - which sadly means we have to break a few eggs along the way. Certainly far too soon to be giving up on Jojic. He was meant to be skilful and creative but looked horribly thin and lightweight when he signed. It will take time for him to develop physically. |
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Post by LGH87 on May 17, 2024 12:09:01 GMT
People should hold back on the criticism a bit with this one. The lad is still only young and might make a breakthrough in the next 18 months, we don't know yet but as said above when you dip into this market you have to expect some failures to hit the huge successes that we still might with the likes of Manhoef, Bae et al. It's a whole load better than the road we've been down before. People use Brighton as a good example with the success they've had with the likes of Estupinan and Caicedo to name but two yet a more granular look at their model will show a fair few failures too, along with a fair few maybe's. Some examples: Andi Zeqiri - signed as a 20 year old for 4M in 2020 - played 9 games in 3 years before being sold for half the fee they paid. Michał Karbownik - signed as a 19 year old in 2020 - played 0 games in 3 years before being sold for half the fee they paid. Kacper Kozlowski - signed for 11M as an 18 year old and has yet to make an appearance for them. Is currently out on loan. (probably not the best example as he'll probably go on to be very decent...) Adrian Mazilu - signed for 4M as an 18 year old and has yet to make an appearance for them. Is currently out on loan. Yasin Ayari - signed for 4M as a 19 year old and has made just 3 appearances before making a few loan moves to the Championship. The major successes that Brighton have had have been the big money signings that they have paid 15M+ for and flipped. That could easily be replicated at this club by flipping our bigger money signings in Burger, Bae and Manhoef. Thankfully we look to be moving to model that tries to make an omelette rather than a pigs ear - which sadly means we have to break a few eggs along the way. Fantastic post mate. A bit of perspective is what's needed in cases like this, something that can be severely lacking on here at times. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2024 12:16:58 GMT
People should hold back on the criticism a bit with this one. The lad is still only young and might make a breakthrough in the next 18 months, we don't know yet but as said above when you dip into this market you have to expect some failures to hit the huge successes that we still might with the likes of Manhoef, Bae et al. It's a whole load better than the road we've been down before. People use Brighton as a good example with the success they've had with the likes of Estupinan and Caicedo to name but two yet a more granular look at their model will show a fair few failures too, along with a fair few maybe's. Some examples: Andi Zeqiri - signed as a 20 year old for 4M in 2020 - played 9 games in 3 years before being sold for half the fee they paid. Michał Karbownik - signed as a 19 year old in 2020 - played 0 games in 3 years before being sold for half the fee they paid. Kacper Kozlowski - signed for 11M as an 18 year old and has yet to make an appearance for them. Is currently out on loan. (probably not the best example as he'll probably go on to be very decent...) Adrian Mazilu - signed for 4M as an 18 year old and has yet to make an appearance for them. Is currently out on loan. Yasin Ayari - signed for 4M as a 19 year old and has made just 3 appearances before making a few loan moves to the Championship. The major successes that Brighton have had have been the big money signings that they have paid 15M+ for and flipped. That could easily be replicated at this club by flipping our bigger money signings in Burger, Bae and Manhoef. Thankfully we look to be moving to model that tries to make an omelette rather than a pigs ear - which sadly means we have to break a few eggs along the way. Fantastic post mate. A bit of perspective is what's needed in cases like this, something that can be severely lacking on here at times. I've got a huge passion for this type of approach to transfers and it's been a huge frustration to me personally to see us wasting millions upon millions by just doing it wrong. I've talked about it until i'm blue in the face. We absolutely have to back this way of working and give Jared and his team all of the time, effort, patience and resource to make it the very best it can be. It's still in it's infancy here so we are going to make mistakes. If people looked at some of Brentford's early transfers they'd shudder but all they remember is the successes - they literally don't come without the failures. |
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Post by st3mark on Sept 3, 2024 19:41:26 GMT
Anyone know if he's playing regularly for the u21s?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 3, 2024 19:56:13 GMT
Anyone know if he's playing regularly for the u21s? Seems to have been on the bench pretty much every game this season Bit of a surprise he hasn't gone back to Serbia, even on loan. Not sure what it's achieving keeping him here, but people closer to it will probably know what's going on. Must be pretty dispiriting for him. |
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Post by st3mark on Sept 3, 2024 21:40:37 GMT
Anyone know if he's playing regularly for the u21s? Seems to have been on the bench pretty much every game this season Bit of a surprise he hasn't gone back to Serbia, even on loan. Not sure what it's achieving keeping him here, but people closer to it will probably know what's going on. Must be pretty dispiriting for him. It's disappointing. He's a tad too expensive to write off completely. You'd think the club would insist he start in those games to try and give him the best chance |
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Post by TheMmaeestro on Sept 3, 2024 21:57:33 GMT
Going back to Serbia on loan
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Post by gaznandi on Sept 3, 2024 22:05:44 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 3, 2024 22:39:29 GMT
According to Jared’s best ever Football Manager season he’ll come good in 25/26 and move to Liverpool for 40 million.
Trust in the Dubster.
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 4, 2024 3:58:12 GMT
Going back to Serbia on loan That's good right? He needs to be playing. |
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Sept 4, 2024 6:26:26 GMT
Going back to Serbia on loan That's good right? He needs to be playing. I suspect now it's more about preparing him for going back home when his contract ends. Doesn't look like he's settled in the country and hasn't shown anything to suggest he'll make the grade over here so this is probably the first step towards him going back home. |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 4, 2024 7:18:34 GMT
A truly bizarre transfer.
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 4, 2024 7:39:51 GMT
To be fair to the lad, it must be a pretty lonely existence when a move doesn't work out, like this one hasn't. Feel a little sorry for the lad.
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Post by werrington on Sept 4, 2024 7:46:21 GMT
A truly bizarre transfer. No more bizarre than Junho….one worked out and one didn’t We spent nearly £5m on a very young Arismendi back in the day and he never worked out either |
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