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Post by nsd on May 23, 2024 15:26:05 GMT
this is one I'm not too worried about, he couldn't ask for a better footballing role model than Mama and I don't think he'd steer him wrong
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Post by FullerMagic on May 23, 2024 16:11:35 GMT
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Post by tuum on May 23, 2024 16:31:54 GMT
If he is as good as we (Stoke) think he is then he should be playing regular 1st team football next season. If we can't do that then we need to sell if a good offer comes in. A good offer in my opinion for a player who has played half a dozen games in the Championship is £2MM. Stoke need to start playing these youngsters and stop ***** around. Either shit or get off the pot! |
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Post by redandy on May 23, 2024 16:41:07 GMT
There is little point in selling Sol now, regardless of whether he's in the first team or not, as he will likely be worth much more in a year or two. We need to start slapping inflated fees on our best players, to ward off any potential bun fights, and only big money can take them off us. I understand many players have buy out clauses, but we have to get better at selling.
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Post by nonameface on May 23, 2024 18:01:23 GMT
With him being under 18, if he were to leave would we get a transfer fee or would we just get compensation which would be peanuts?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 23, 2024 18:06:56 GMT
With him being under 18, if he were to leave would we get a transfer fee or would we just get compensation which would be peanuts? He’s under contract. We’d sell him for whatever we wanted to and someone was willing to pay. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 23, 2024 18:09:41 GMT
Simply has to be a regular in the first team squad next season for me.
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Post by nottsover60 on May 23, 2024 18:10:12 GMT
With him being under 18, if he were to leave would we get a transfer fee or would we just get compensation which would be peanuts? He can't just leave as he has signed a contract so we would have to agree a fee. Compensation is for out of contract players who are u24 as long as they have come through the academy and have been offered a contract by their parent club. |
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Post by nonameface on May 23, 2024 18:22:44 GMT
With him being under 18, if he were to leave would we get a transfer fee or would we just get compensation which would be peanuts? He’s under contract. We’d sell him for whatever we wanted to and someone was willing to pay. Thats what I thought, just had a bad niggling feeling. |
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Post by lordb on May 23, 2024 20:15:59 GMT
With him being under 18, if he were to leave would we get a transfer fee or would we just get compensation which would be peanuts? He can't just leave as he has signed a contract so we would have to agree a fee. Compensation is for out of contract players who are u24 as long as they have come through the academy and have been offered a contract by their parent club. How long is his contract? |
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Post by walrus on May 23, 2024 20:34:59 GMT
He can't just leave as he has signed a contract so we would have to agree a fee. Compensation is for out of contract players who are u24 as long as they have come through the academy and have been offered a contract by their parent club. How long is his contract? Three years from last summer, so till 2026. |
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Post by leegthestokie90 on May 24, 2024 1:21:56 GMT
Him and junior got be playing nxt season two great prospects
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Post by baconburger on May 24, 2024 6:09:14 GMT
If he is as good as we (Stoke) think he is then he should be playing regular 1st team football next season. If we can't do that then we need to sell if a good offer comes in. A good offer in my opinion for a player who has played half a dozen games in the Championship is £2MM. Stoke need to start playing these youngsters and stop ***** around. Either shit or get off the pot! £2M? You sell a youngster considered to have massive potential for £2M. You’ve only got to look at the clubs rumoured to be sniffing and it’s £10M minimum or fuck off. Suppose we should just have sold Collins and Souttar for peanuts instead of continuing to develop them FFS what sort of shape would this club be in with this bonkers front of house mentality? |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 24, 2024 7:33:40 GMT
The club needs to put its foot down when top clubs come sniffing around our young players,just tell them to start the bidding at £25m or fuck off.
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Post by baconburger on May 24, 2024 8:01:31 GMT
The club needs to put its foot down when top clubs come sniffing around our young players,just tell them to start the bidding at £25m or fuck off. Tbh I think that would be equally stupid as £2M. That would amount to saying we won’t sell at any sensible price and I don’t think we should ever say that about any player. |
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on May 24, 2024 8:03:10 GMT
Word spreads about Sol to pastures new.
Stoke's Souleymane Sidibe, 17, could be on the move this summer with Brighton, Chelsea, Monaco and Juventus interested in the French midfielder. (Foot Mercato - in French)
The original article goes into great detail & worth a read.
Part of the translation as follows
Sol Sidibé, a phenomenon of precocity
He is the first player born in 2007 to make his debut in one of the two best English divisions and becomes the 2nd youngest player in Stoke City history to play as a pro. In total this season, the Paris native played 8 matches in all competitions and even started in the Carabao Cup against West Bromwich Albion on August 8, 2023. Early performances and noticed by scouts from England and even from all over Europe. But also on the side of the English selection, which offers him his first cape in the English U17 team.
Ambidextrous, he plays as a central midfielder and can evolve both as a sentinel and in a box-to-box environment thanks to his good physical dynamics, his power and his ability to bring out the balls. Technically very self-confident, he is also already very mature for his age. So many qualities that allowed him to hold his own and show observers that he already had the level to evolve among the pro as he recently confided. "The experience of the first team at the beginning of the season was great. I had the opportunity to show what I knew how to do, it was all I wanted, and I hope there will be more to come. The staff showed that they believed in me and gave me the opportunity to progress and become a better footballer."
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Post by Abdoulaye25 on May 24, 2024 8:13:38 GMT
If he were to go to any of those teams he’d either go straight out on loan to a championship level club or become part of their second teams.
It’s in his interest and our interest for him to be a proper part of the first team squad here next year.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 24, 2024 8:24:14 GMT
Word spreads about Sol to pastures new. Stoke's Souleymane Sidibe, 17, could be on the move this summer with Brighton, Chelsea, Monaco and Juventus interested in the French midfielder. (Foot Mercato - in French) The original article goes into great detail & worth a read. Part of the translation as follows Sol Sidibé, a phenomenon of precocity He is the first player born in 2007 to make his debut in one of the two best English divisions and becomes the 2nd youngest player in Stoke City history to play as a pro. In total this season, the Paris native played 8 matches in all competitions and even started in the Carabao Cup against West Bromwich Albion on August 8, 2023. Early performances and noticed by scouts from England and even from all over Europe. But also on the side of the English selection, which offers him his first cape in the English U17 team. Ambidextrous, he plays as a central midfielder and can evolve both as a sentinel and in a box-to-box environment thanks to his good physical dynamics, his power and his ability to bring out the balls. Technically very self-confident, he is also already very mature for his age. So many qualities that allowed him to hold his own and show observers that he already had the level to evolve among the pro as he recently confided. "The experience of the first team at the beginning of the season was great. I had the opportunity to show what I knew how to do, it was all I wanted, and I hope there will be more to come. The staff showed that they believed in me and gave me the opportunity to progress and become a better footballer." Lol, Chelsea 😆 He'd be nuts to go and waste away in their second team set up there. That said he needs to be part of the 1st team squad regularly with us next season and I'd like to see him getting a fair number of starts 👍 |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on May 24, 2024 8:24:22 GMT
Chelsea is not a good career move. Hopefully he and dad would see that. Brighton would be the better option.
we need to keep him but if we sell him we need to go 8m+ with a huge sell on clause.
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Post by Clem Fandango on May 24, 2024 8:39:47 GMT
Chelsea is not a good career move. Hopefully he and dad would see that. Brighton would be the better option. we need to keep him but if we sell him we need to go 8m+ with a huge sell on clause. Not sure about that mate. He'd get a decent pay rise and probably get farmed out on loan a few times so likely to get some game time. Its not like he'll be sat in the Chelsea U-23s for the next 10 years. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on May 24, 2024 8:40:00 GMT
The club needs to put its foot down when top clubs come sniffing around our young players,just tell them to start the bidding at £25m or fuck off. Tbh I think that would be equally stupid as £2M. That would amount to saying we won’t sell at any sensible price and I don’t think we should ever say that about any player. Maybe £25m sounds daft this summer but let's say he features for us heavily this coming season and does as well as I think he can do then next summer he could well demand that fee. We aren't in a position where we need to sell him for peanuts. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 24, 2024 8:49:10 GMT
Chelsea is not a good career move. Hopefully he and dad would see that. Brighton would be the better option. we need to keep him but if we sell him we need to go 8m+ with a huge sell on clause. Not sure about that mate. He'd get a decent pay rise and probably get farmed out on loan a few times so likely to get some game time. Its not like he'll be sat in the Chelsea U-23s for the next 10 years. Chelsea is a basket case club. They've just let go one of the best managers of young talent in the world. And they put out embarrassing job adverts that stipulate that the new manager must be able to go head to head with Pep and Arteta 😆 Fucking yanks. Yeehaaa 😆 He needs to stay at Stoke. He's ours. |
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Post by tuum on May 24, 2024 8:52:21 GMT
If he is as good as we (Stoke) think he is then he should be playing regular 1st team football next season. If we can't do that then we need to sell if a good offer comes in. A good offer in my opinion for a player who has played half a dozen games in the Championship is £2MM. Stoke need to start playing these youngsters and stop ***** around. Either shit or get off the pot! £2M? You sell a youngster considered to have massive potential for £2M. You’ve only got to look at the clubs rumoured to be sniffing and it’s £10M minimum or fuck off. Suppose we should just have sold Collins and Souttar for peanuts instead of continuing to develop them FFS what sort of shape would this club be in with this bonkers front of house mentality? He's barely played. If he is as good as we think he is then play him. If we value him so highly and dont play him then sell him. If we get offers greater than 5 million then great. We only got offers for Collins and Souttar after they had played a few games regularly in the 1st team. If Sol plays 25 games next season his value will increase. Maybe in 2yrs time with regular game time he will be 15million but he is not 15million today. |
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Post by stokesaint1 on May 24, 2024 8:58:31 GMT
All this talk of our best young players being wanted or going elsewhere is really winding me up.If this club is serious about progressing and returning to the promised land, especially after the last 7 years of absolute misery, then any talk of selling the likes of Sidibe and Burger should be dismissed in a very public manner. We should be building a team for now and the future not dismantling it before it has had chance to develop. A prompt chairman's statement is called for.
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Post by baconburger on May 24, 2024 8:59:21 GMT
Tbh I think that would be equally stupid as £2M. That would amount to saying we won’t sell at any sensible price and I don’t think we should ever say that about any player. Maybe £25m sounds daft this summer but let's say he features for us heavily this coming season and does as well as I think he can do then next summer he could well demand that fee. We aren't in a position where we need to sell him for peanuts. Sorry given the choice between £10M now or the possibility of £25M in the future I’d take the £10M now every time. That applies to everything not just footballers. I haven’t seen enough of him to have much of an opinion that’s just my take on that sort of proposition. |
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Post by MilanStokie on May 24, 2024 9:08:13 GMT
There have been a few mild comparisons to the Burger situation but they couldn't be further apart.
Burger shouldn't really be classed as a young player, which sounds daft at 23, but he should be coming into his prime years at this stage of his career. No doubt he can still dramatically improve mind.
The club owes it to Sol, the fans and itself to keep him at the club this year, no matter what. Any value he has right now is pure raw potential and therefore the likeliness of developing him is very high. Even if a £10m offer comes in (unlikely) we should dig our heels in. The thing is, he MUST be able to get regular game time though, or there is no point.
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Post by baconburger on May 24, 2024 9:09:00 GMT
£2M? You sell a youngster considered to have massive potential for £2M. You’ve only got to look at the clubs rumoured to be sniffing and it’s £10M minimum or fuck off. Suppose we should just have sold Collins and Souttar for peanuts instead of continuing to develop them FFS what sort of shape would this club be in with this bonkers front of house mentality? He's barely played. If he is as good as we think he is then play him. If we value him so highly and dont play him then sell him. If we get offers greater than 5 million then great. We only got offers for Collins and Souttar after they had played a few games regularly in the 1st team. If Sol plays 25 games next season his value will increase. Maybe in 2yrs time with regular game time he will be 15million but he is not 15million today. I’m not sure either Collins or Souttar were even at the club at this lads age, if they were they certainly weren’t playing. Player trading and players development are different parts of the business it doesn’t begin and end with the first team. He’ll play when and if the hc thinks he’s the best option as it should be. It’s pure madness to think anyone not featuring in the first team should be let go for peanuts. |
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Post by baconburger on May 24, 2024 9:12:26 GMT
There have been a few mild comparisons to the Burger situation but they couldn't be further apart. Burger shouldn't really be classed as a young player, which sounds daft at 23, but he should be coming into his prime years at this stage of his career. No doubt he can still dramatically improve mind. The club owes it to Sol, the fans and itself to keep him at the club this year, no matter what. Any value he has right now is pure raw potential and therefore the likeliness of developing him is very high. Even if a £10m offer comes in (unlikely) we should dig our heels in. The thing is, he MUST be able to get regular game time though, or there is no point. Not for me bird in the hand and all that £10 for a virtually unproven player is a no brainer whatever his name is. I’d want a bit more for Burger due to experience already under his belt but at £15M you’ve got to do the deal if the player fancies it. |
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Post by MilanStokie on May 24, 2024 9:25:21 GMT
There have been a few mild comparisons to the Burger situation but they couldn't be further apart. Burger shouldn't really be classed as a young player, which sounds daft at 23, but he should be coming into his prime years at this stage of his career. No doubt he can still dramatically improve mind. The club owes it to Sol, the fans and itself to keep him at the club this year, no matter what. Any value he has right now is pure raw potential and therefore the likeliness of developing him is very high. Even if a £10m offer comes in (unlikely) we should dig our heels in. The thing is, he MUST be able to get regular game time though, or there is no point. Not for me bird in the hand and all that £10 for a virtually unproven player is a no brainer whatever his name is. I’d want a bit more for Burger due to experience already under his belt but at £15M you’ve got to do the deal if the player fancies it. Aside from the fact that £10m bids are not coming for him (Jobe Bellingham wont fetch that and he is further along his development path with way more experience) I just think there is a massive difference between Sidibe and Burger situations. I would accept £10-12m for Burger but I wouldn't for Sidibe. It woudn't take much at all to boost the value for Sidibe either. Even a moderate showing next season with 20-30 appearances would be enough. Whereas with Burger, if he has an average season, it would reduce his value significantly. But anyway, even if this Sidibe interest is true, I cannot see anything more than a £5m bid jam packed with incentives and we should hold firm. |
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Post by etebojan on May 24, 2024 9:53:59 GMT
Not for me bird in the hand and all that £10 for a virtually unproven player is a no brainer whatever his name is. I’d want a bit more for Burger due to experience already under his belt but at £15M you’ve got to do the deal if the player fancies it. Aside from the fact that £10m bids are not coming for him (Jobe Bellingham wont fetch that and he is further along his development path with way more experience) I just think there is a massive difference between Sidibe and Burger situations. I would accept £10-12m for Burger but I wouldn't for Sidibe. It woudn't take much at all to boost the value for Sidibe either. Even a moderate showing next season with 20-30 appearances would be enough. Whereas with Burger, if he has an average season, it would reduce his value significantly. But anyway, even if this Sidibe interest is true, I cannot see anything more than a £5m bid jam packed with incentives and we should hold firm. I think Jude Bellingham at 17 had almost a full season of first team action before getting his 25 million move to Dortmund |
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