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Post by MilanStokie on May 24, 2024 9:56:26 GMT
Aside from the fact that £10m bids are not coming for him (Jobe Bellingham wont fetch that and he is further along his development path with way more experience) I just think there is a massive difference between Sidibe and Burger situations. I would accept £10-12m for Burger but I wouldn't for Sidibe. It woudn't take much at all to boost the value for Sidibe either. Even a moderate showing next season with 20-30 appearances would be enough. Whereas with Burger, if he has an average season, it would reduce his value significantly. But anyway, even if this Sidibe interest is true, I cannot see anything more than a £5m bid jam packed with incentives and we should hold firm. I think Jude Bellingham at 17 had almost a full season of first team action before getting his 25 million move to Dortmund That's why I said Jobe and not Jude. I don't think anyone should be comparing a player's situation to Jude, who is and always was a phenomenal talent. |
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Post by etebojan on May 24, 2024 10:04:27 GMT
I think Jude Bellingham at 17 had almost a full season of first team action before getting his 25 million move to Dortmund That's why I said Jobe and not Jude. I don't think anyone should be comparing a player's situation to Jude, who is and always was a phenomenal talent. I know, of course he(Jude) was an anomaly, i think its still an interesting comparison and also emphasises the importance of keeping hold of him and making sure he gets a lot of first team action this season for his development and in turn maximise his value to us and if we were looking to capitalise on it next summer with a move to a big club |
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on May 24, 2024 10:05:58 GMT
Simple phrase that pays:
No Sell Sol!
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 24, 2024 10:09:47 GMT
That's why I said Jobe and not Jude. I don't think anyone should be comparing a player's situation to Jude, who is and always was a phenomenal talent. I know, of course he(Jude) was an anomaly, i think its still an interesting comparison and also emphasises the importance of keeping hold of him and making sure he gets a lot of first team action this season for his development and in turn maximise his value to us and if we were looking to capitalise on it next summer with a move to a big club Sol is not allowed to leave until he has scored a match winning header with the back of his head (no look header) against Villa in the dying minutes of a Premier league game. Should be in his contract 😆 |
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Post by nottsover60 on May 24, 2024 10:27:23 GMT
Maybe £25m sounds daft this summer but let's say he features for us heavily this coming season and does as well as I think he can do then next summer he could well demand that fee. We aren't in a position where we need to sell him for peanuts. Sorry given the choice between £10M now or the possibility of £25M in the future I’d take the £10M now every time. That applies to everything not just footballers. I haven’t seen enough of him to have much of an opinion that’s just my take on that sort of proposition. It's not just the money though is it? We could have two years of him as a cheap player. Schumacher has already said he will be a first team player next season and but for illness and our precarious position would have been last season so obviously a squad place is there for him which we would have to fill by buying someone who probably wouldn't be as good and certainly wouldn't have the potential but would want higher wages. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on May 24, 2024 10:43:25 GMT
Maybe £25m sounds daft this summer but let's say he features for us heavily this coming season and does as well as I think he can do then next summer he could well demand that fee. We aren't in a position where we need to sell him for peanuts. Sorry given the choice between £10M now or the possibility of £25M in the future I’d take the £10M now every time. That applies to everything not just footballers. I haven’t seen enough of him to have much of an opinion that’s just my take on that sort of proposition. If he plays alot of games this season and makes a big impact he could help make the club far more than £10m mate. All ifs and buts admittedly but I'd like to see him playing for us before he leaves or what's the point in the academy. |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on May 24, 2024 11:03:58 GMT
Bloody hell, some people are getting excited. Take a deep breath
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Post by MilanStokie on May 24, 2024 11:36:28 GMT
That's why I said Jobe and not Jude. I don't think anyone should be comparing a player's situation to Jude, who is and always was a phenomenal talent. I know, of course he(Jude) was an anomaly, i think its still an interesting comparison and also emphasises the importance of keeping hold of him and making sure he gets a lot of first team action this season for his development and in turn maximise his value to us and if we were looking to capitalise on it next summer with a move to a big club Oh absolutely agreed. A 17 year old Jude Bellingham with half a dozen appearances vs the 17 year old Jude Bellingham with 1 full season of game time would have a huge difference in value and is the exact reason why selling someone like Sidibe now would be ridiculous. We must ensure he goes for the right price and that means playing him next season, starting at least half the games. |
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Post by gaznandi on Jun 2, 2024 7:28:57 GMT
“He's definitely one for the future. I spoke to him last week when I was in the building and he was in too. I had a good chat with him and said it was important that he comes back in really good condition because doing an under-21s pre-season or an under 18s pre-season is the complete opposite to what's going to be required in the first team.
“I missed my opportunity at Everton when I had my first first-team pre-season. I physically wasn’t capable to keep up and under David Moyes and Alan Irvine I didn’t make that first impression that I was good enough. I probably regret that.
“I’ve told him not to make that same mistake, to make sure he’s fit and ready to go because if he does do that and he catches the eye and he proves to everybody that he’s as good as any of our other midfield players, then he plays. I don't care if he's 17, if he's better than the ones who are there.”
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 2, 2024 7:38:32 GMT
“He's definitely one for the future. I spoke to him last week when I was in the building and he was in too. I had a good chat with him and said it was important that he comes back in really good condition because doing an under-21s pre-season or an under 18s pre-season is the complete opposite to what's going to be required in the first team. “I missed my opportunity at Everton when I had my first first-team pre-season. I physically wasn’t capable to keep up and under David Moyes and Alan Irvine I didn’t make that first impression that I was good enough. I probably regret that. “I’ve told him not to make that same mistake, to make sure he’s fit and ready to go because if he does do that and he catches the eye and he proves to everybody that he’s as good as any of our other midfield players, then he plays. I don't care if he's 17, if he's better than the ones who are there.” For me that's exactly the right approach to introducing young players in the first team. In order to play they have to be good enough - the first team isn't there to develop players who aren't ready. Hope Sidibe takes Schumachers advice and earns his place on merit. |
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Post by emretezzy on Jun 2, 2024 7:44:19 GMT
“He's definitely one for the future. I spoke to him last week when I was in the building and he was in too. I had a good chat with him and said it was important that he comes back in really good condition because doing an under-21s pre-season or an under 18s pre-season is the complete opposite to what's going to be required in the first team. “I missed my opportunity at Everton when I had my first first-team pre-season. I physically wasn’t capable to keep up and under David Moyes and Alan Irvine I didn’t make that first impression that I was good enough. I probably regret that. “I’ve told him not to make that same mistake, to make sure he’s fit and ready to go because if he does do that and he catches the eye and he proves to everybody that he’s as good as any of our other midfield players, then he plays. I don't care if he's 17, if he's better than the ones who are there.” You'd run through a brick wall for this manager. I've never wanted anyone to succeed more than I do him. |
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Post by thornestein on Jun 2, 2024 7:46:17 GMT
“He's definitely one for the future. I spoke to him last week when I was in the building and he was in too. I had a good chat with him and said it was important that he comes back in really good condition because doing an under-21s pre-season or an under 18s pre-season is the complete opposite to what's going to be required in the first team. “I missed my opportunity at Everton when I had my first first-team pre-season. I physically wasn’t capable to keep up and under David Moyes and Alan Irvine I didn’t make that first impression that I was good enough. I probably regret that. “I’ve told him not to make that same mistake, to make sure he’s fit and ready to go because if he does do that and he catches the eye and he proves to everybody that he’s as good as any of our other midfield players, then he plays. I don't care if he's 17, if he's better than the ones who are there.” i’ve been told his younger brother is quite a talent also , anyone know much about him ?? |
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Post by gingerninja on Jun 2, 2024 8:21:01 GMT
The more time goes on, the more I think we can go somewhere under SS.
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Post by emretezzy on Jun 2, 2024 9:16:58 GMT
“He's definitely one for the future. I spoke to him last week when I was in the building and he was in too. I had a good chat with him and said it was important that he comes back in really good condition because doing an under-21s pre-season or an under 18s pre-season is the complete opposite to what's going to be required in the first team. “I missed my opportunity at Everton when I had my first first-team pre-season. I physically wasn’t capable to keep up and under David Moyes and Alan Irvine I didn’t make that first impression that I was good enough. I probably regret that. “I’ve told him not to make that same mistake, to make sure he’s fit and ready to go because if he does do that and he catches the eye and he proves to everybody that he’s as good as any of our other midfield players, then he plays. I don't care if he's 17, if he's better than the ones who are there.” i’ve been told his younger brother is quite a talent also , anyone know much about him ?? Hes in the youth team (11s) with Shawcross and Bardsley kids. They just been to Spain and beat Barcelona same age. Max ORiely is the name to watch out for. |
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Post by emretezzy on Jun 2, 2024 9:17:20 GMT
i’ve been told his younger brother is quite a talent also , anyone know much about him ?? Hes in the youth team (11s) with Shawcross and Bardsley kids. They just been to Spain and beat Barcelona same age. Max ORiely is the name to watch out for 14 and scoring easily for the 16s. |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jun 2, 2024 9:22:13 GMT
“He's definitely one for the future. I spoke to him last week when I was in the building and he was in too. I had a good chat with him and said it was important that he comes back in really good condition because doing an under-21s pre-season or an under 18s pre-season is the complete opposite to what's going to be required in the first team. “I missed my opportunity at Everton when I had my first first-team pre-season. I physically wasn’t capable to keep up and under David Moyes and Alan Irvine I didn’t make that first impression that I was good enough. I probably regret that. “I’ve told him not to make that same mistake, to make sure he’s fit and ready to go because if he does do that and he catches the eye and he proves to everybody that he’s as good as any of our other midfield players, then he plays. I don't care if he's 17, if he's better than the ones who are there.” i’ve been told his younger brother is quite a talent also , anyone know much about him ?? Didn’t know there was a younger brother but perhaps play him too alongside young Dixon. Age is a number 😉 |
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Post by nottsover60 on Jun 2, 2024 10:08:25 GMT
i’ve been told his younger brother is quite a talent also , anyone know much about him ?? Didn’t know there was a younger brother but perhaps play him too alongside young Dixon. Age is a number 😉 It is only a number which means if you are good enough you should play but also that if you are not one of the best or the best in your position you should not be picked merely because you are promising and will/may only get better. It's a bit like society's current trend which is all about rights with no talk of responsibilities which, in my book, as an older member of society, should go hand in hand. All our young players should be picked on merit not because they are our own. That means proving themselves to be strong enough both mentally and physically as well as having the ability to cope in senior football. As Sol says u21 training and matches are not as intense as at senior level and you need to be in much better physical shape to play for the first team. Bae took that on board last season, perhaps it will be Sol's turn this year. |
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Post by lordb on Jun 2, 2024 10:30:16 GMT
Going to say it again
There is a gap between first team football and U21 football
Some players go out on loan, sometimes that works
being back competitive midweek reserve team football in addition to U21 football
gives U21 a platform to play football with men
Allows players returning from injury to get some match fitness
allows first team players out of favour to find some form and confidence
young player from abroad not ready? Give them reserve team matches
Trialists
And play the games at the main stadium
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Post by mattythestokie on Jun 2, 2024 10:53:03 GMT
Going to say it again There is a gap between first team football and U21 football Some players go out on loan, sometimes that works being back competitive midweek reserve team football in addition to U21 football gives U21 a platform to play football with men Allows players returning from injury to get some match fitness allows first team players out of favour to find some form and confidence young player from abroad not ready? Give them reserve team matches Trialists And play the games at the main stadium The gap between u21s football and first team is absolutely enormous and people really don’t quite understand just how big of a step it is. Just like when our under21s came up against Vale and got absolutely spanked 4-0. It’s why it’s so beautiful when one eventually does make the step up and succeeds. Important few years for Sol now - really hope he can make the most of it because he looks a talent. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 2, 2024 11:25:51 GMT
If he is still with us in 3/4 years,& he keeps improving,he will be the kind of player you can build your team around.
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Post by skiptomylou on Jun 2, 2024 11:38:08 GMT
Going to say it again There is a gap between first team football and U21 football Some players go out on loan, sometimes that works being back competitive midweek reserve team football in addition to U21 football gives U21 a platform to play football with men Allows players returning from injury to get some match fitness allows first team players out of favour to find some form and confidence young player from abroad not ready? Give them reserve team matches Trialists And play the games at the main stadium Is there anything stopping clubs entering a reserve team into the football pyramid at the lowest level? |
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Post by emretezzy on Jun 2, 2024 11:55:18 GMT
If he is still with us in 3/4 years,& he keeps improving,he will be the kind of player you can build your team around. Hopefully he's well above our station and we finally receive the right numeration for an academy product. One 40/50m player will make everything all worth while. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2024 12:47:38 GMT
Going to say it again There is a gap between first team football and U21 football Some players go out on loan, sometimes that works being back competitive midweek reserve team football in addition to U21 football gives U21 a platform to play football with men Allows players returning from injury to get some match fitness allows first team players out of favour to find some form and confidence young player from abroad not ready? Give them reserve team matches Trialists And play the games at the main stadium The alternative is that clubs should loan players that are actually ready for the division. Was Liam Delap ready for Championship football when we loaned him? Nope. Bet he cost us a fortune though. He should have gone to league one or two. |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jun 2, 2024 16:21:12 GMT
Didn’t know there was a younger brother but perhaps play him too alongside young Dixon. Age is a number 😉 It is only a number which means if you are good enough you should play but also that if you are not one of the best or the best in your position you should not be picked merely because you are promising and will/may only get better. It's a bit like society's current trend which is all about rights with no talk of responsibilities which, in my book, as an older member of society, should go hand in hand. All our young players should be picked on merit not because they are our own. That means proving themselves to be strong enough both mentally and physically as well as having the ability to cope in senior football. As Sol says u21 training and matches are not as intense as at senior level and you need to be in much better physical shape to play for the first team. Bae took that on board last season, perhaps it will be Sol's turn this year. It was a joke between me and Thornstein mate. |
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Post by lordb on Jun 2, 2024 16:24:44 GMT
If he's going to be used in the first team picture surely at least one of Baker or Laurent will leave as well as Johnson
if Cundle signs as well then there's just too many midfielders
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Post by thischarmingmanc on Jun 2, 2024 19:31:55 GMT
If he's going to be used in the first team picture surely at least one of Baker or Laurent will leave as well as Johnson if Cundle signs as well then there's just too many midfielders Hopefully Gibson and Johnson move on. If we have Burger, Laurent, BaKer, Cundle, Thompson and Sidibe we may have room for one more. |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jun 2, 2024 19:52:10 GMT
If he's going to be used in the first team picture surely at least one of Baker or Laurent will leave as well as Johnson if Cundle signs as well then there's just too many midfielders Hopefully Gibson and Johnson move on. If we have Burger, Laurent, BaKer, Cundle, Thompson and Sidibe we may have room for one more. Lordy, Ben Gibson hasn't even signed yet and you want him gone...that's a record even by oatcake standards. |
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 2, 2024 20:08:42 GMT
Going to say it again There is a gap between first team football and U21 football Some players go out on loan, sometimes that works being back competitive midweek reserve team football in addition to U21 football gives U21 a platform to play football with men Allows players returning from injury to get some match fitness allows first team players out of favour to find some form and confidence young player from abroad not ready? Give them reserve team matches Trialists And play the games at the main stadium The gap between u21s football and first team is absolutely enormous and people really don’t quite understand just how big of a step it is. Just like when our under21s came up against Vale and got absolutely spanked 4-0. It’s why it’s so beautiful when one eventually does make the step up and succeeds. Important few years for Sol now - really hope he can make the most of it because he looks a talent. Yes and the reason is, win, lose or draw it doesn't matter, they still get treated exactly the same, when you were in the reserves you were genuinely pushing for a first team place, these days it's a holiday camp, those that want it most might succeed. |
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Post by lordb on Jun 2, 2024 20:55:40 GMT
Hopefully Gibson and Johnson move on. If we have Burger, Laurent, BaKer, Cundle, Thompson and Sidibe we may have room for one more. Lordy, Ben Gibson hasn't even signed yet and you want him gone...that's a record even by oatcake standards. Have no idea what I actually meant to say either! |
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Post by thischarmingmanc on Jun 2, 2024 21:21:21 GMT
Hopefully Gibson and Johnson move on. If we have Burger, Laurent, BaKer, Cundle, Thompson and Sidibe we may have room for one more. Lordy, Ben Gibson hasn't even signed yet and you want him gone...that's a record even by oatcake standards. lol pearson im sorry |
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