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Sept 29, 2024 21:06:43 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 29, 2024 21:06:43 GMT
Eh? Are you going to actually answer the question(s) or not? Why bother completely challenging the point(s) Hearst is making, if you're not prepared to? What question do you want me to answer? Hearst is a British journalist, he has an opinion. I've already said I think Hezbollah and Hamas are provoking Israel hoping to set the 'region on fire'? The questions I asked you ... What do you mean by, "who knows"? That's something you'd normally say if you weren't really sure about something. What are you basing your opinion on, to challenge this one? And a new one, if that's OK ... did you actually watch his video?
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Israel
Sept 29, 2024 21:16:40 GMT
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 29, 2024 21:16:40 GMT
What question do you want me to answer? Hearst is a British journalist, he has an opinion. I've already said I think Hezbollah and Hamas are provoking Israel hoping to set the 'region on fire'? The questions I asked you ... What do you mean by, who knows? That's something you'd normally say if you weren't really sure about something. What are you basing your opinion on, to challenge him? And a new one, if that's OK ... did you actually watch his video? You don't know whether Israel is trying to provoke a war or whether Hezbollah or Hamas are trying to provoke a war. There have been orchestrated attacks on Israel which in my opinion is an attempt by terrorist groups to provoke Israel Yes, I've watched the video, he's a journalist with opinions.
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Israel
Sept 29, 2024 21:26:41 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 29, 2024 21:26:41 GMT
The questions I asked you ... What do you mean by, who knows? That's something you'd normally say if you weren't really sure about something. What are you basing your opinion on, to challenge him? And a new one, if that's OK ... did you actually watch his video? You don't know whether Israel is trying to provoke a war or whether Hezbollah or Hamas are trying to provoke a war. There have been orchestrated attacks on Israel which in my opinion is an attempt by terrorist groups to provoke Israel Yes, I've watched the video, he's a journalist with opinions. It's just that you replied to my post in less time than it would have taken to watch the video but hey ho. And I believe that what Israel is currently doing, is attempting to draw America into a regional war with Iran. That's why I included the video from Haerst to support my opinion. Now I could, right now, link multiple links to Middle East historians, Israel/Palestinan experts and professors of the subject who all believe the same thing, for the reasons Hearst outlines. But all you're telling me is, is that you disagree, not WHY you disagree. It very difficult to have a conversation with you about it, when you won't reveal what you're basing your disagreement actually on.
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 29, 2024 21:37:53 GMT
You don't know whether Israel is trying to provoke a war or whether Hezbollah or Hamas are trying to provoke a war. There have been orchestrated attacks on Israel which in my opinion is an attempt by terrorist groups to provoke Israel Yes, I've watched the video, he's a journalist with opinions. It's just that you replied to my post in less time than it would have taken to watch the video but hey ho. And I believe that what Israel is currently doing, is attempting to draw America into a regional war with Iran. That's why I included the video from Haerst to support my opinion. Now I could, right now, link multiple links to Middle East historians, Israel/Palestinan experts and professors of the subject who all believe the same thing, for the reasons Hearst outlines. But all you're telling me is, is that you disagree, not WHY you disagree. It very difficult to have a conversation with you about it, when you won't reveal what you're basing your disagreement actually on. I've explained why I think Hezbollah and Hamas are trying ro provoke a major war, the destruction of Israel. I could be right or I could be wrong but that's my opinion. Ÿou seem to have an̈ issue because I don't agree with a journalist on X.
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Israel
Sept 29, 2024 21:41:16 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 29, 2024 21:41:16 GMT
It's just that you replied to my post in less time than it would have taken to watch the video but hey ho. And I believe that what Israel is currently doing, is attempting to draw America into a regional war with Iran. That's why I included the video from Haerst to support my opinion. Now I could, right now, link multiple links to Middle East historians, Israel/Palestinan experts and professors of the subject who all believe the same thing, for the reasons Hearst outlines. But all you're telling me is, is that you disagree, not WHY you disagree. It very difficult to have a conversation with you about it, when you won't reveal what you're basing your disagreement actually on. I've explained why I think Hezbollah and Hamas are trying ro provoke a major war, the destruction of Israel. I could be right or I could be wrong but that's my opinion. Ÿou seem to have an̈ issue because I don't agree with a journalist on X. Okey dokey, I'll leave you to your opinion.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 29, 2024 23:26:34 GMT
What are we doing? Why are we and others funding Israel to do what they’re currently doing, which is madness. Jimmy Carter has been trying to explain it for 50 years ...
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Post by serpico on Sept 30, 2024 5:46:45 GMT
The Houthis, like Hamas and Hezbollah are seen as Iranian proxies, Israel is attempting to eliminate Iran’s sphere of influence, they won’t destroy them from the air though, at some point if they want to actually defeat these groups you have to put boots on the ground, which is when things become tricky… and bloody, as we’ve seen in Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't think Israel is attempting to eliminate anything (they've just spent 12 months bombing Gaza back to the Stoneage and achieved what exactly?). Netanyahu is attempting to set the entire region on fire, in an attempt to draw the US (and ultimately the UK) into an all out war with Iran. I posted this at the top of the previous page, apologies for posting it again but what Hearst is saying here, is extremely important ... I don’t disagree that the Israelis want to have the US attack Iran, they have for a long time, but first they need to knock out or degrade Irans proxies in the region, just because they’re indiscriminate and don’t give a shit about civilian casualties doesn’t mean that isn’t what they trying to do. Any attack on iran by either Israel or the US would necessitate strikes on Hamas and Hezbollah first otherwise it leaves Israel vulnerable.
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Sept 30, 2024 6:10:45 GMT
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Post by foster on Sept 30, 2024 6:10:45 GMT
Any ideas what the Lebanese army is doing while all this is going on or what the local news is like in Lebanon?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 30, 2024 8:13:54 GMT
Any ideas what the Lebanese army is doing while all this is going on or what the local news is like in Lebanon? This article summarises the state of the Lebanese army pretty well I think..... Where is the Lebanese army?
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 30, 2024 9:12:58 GMT
Fucking hell...they are now bombing Yemen. And why are they doing that? because the US and governments like our own continue to support them. Israel, and those who continue to facilitate their acts of mass terrorism, have no regard at all for international law. The UN may as well pack up and go home.
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 30, 2024 11:55:52 GMT
This thread is far more entertaining when Oggy is involved Isn’t every thread!?
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 30, 2024 12:21:36 GMT
Land invasion of Lebanon incoming.
The UK and US fully complicit in this.
100% Israel are fighting a war on behalf of the west.
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Sept 30, 2024 13:02:14 GMT
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 30, 2024 13:02:14 GMT
Land invasion of Lebanon incoming. The UK and US fully complicit in this. 100% Israel are fighting a war on behalf of the west. You may as well get something for your money.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 30, 2024 14:37:29 GMT
So that's her, Badenoch and Jenrick now.
They're not even hiding it anymore, our politicians are being bought off by Israel and now they're happy for everybody to see it.
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Post by gawa on Sept 30, 2024 14:53:14 GMT
So that's her, Badenoch and Jenrick now. They're not even hiding it anymore, our politicians are being bought off by Israel and now they're happy for everybody to see it. Judeo Christian? 🤣 Why are they trying to change the religion of the country? There's been more Muslims than Jewish people in this country since the 60s. More Hindus since the 90s. Paganism is probably growing at a quicker pace than Judaism.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 30, 2024 14:55:10 GMT
So that's her, Badenoch and Jenrick now. They're not even hiding it anymore, our politicians are being bought off by Israel and now they're happy for everybody to see it. It explains why a unemployed looser Is able to fly around the world spouting shite
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 30, 2024 15:04:27 GMT
I don't think Israel is attempting to eliminate anything (they've just spent 12 months bombing Gaza back to the Stoneage and achieved what exactly?). Netanyahu is attempting to set the entire region on fire, in an attempt to draw the US (and ultimately the UK) into an all out war with Iran. I posted this at the top of the previous page, apologies for posting it again but what Hearst is saying here, is extremely important ... I don’t disagree that the Israelis want to have the US attack Iran, they have for a long time, but first they need to knock out or degrade Irans proxies in the region, just because they’re indiscriminate and don’t give a shit about civilian casualties doesn’t mean that isn’t what they trying to do. Any attack on iran by either Israel or the US would necessitate strikes on Hamas and Hezbollah first otherwise it leaves Israel vulnerable. That's totally what's going on, here. Netanyahu is hoping to high heaven that a proxy war starts in the region as it keeps him out of a war crimes tribunal and most probably jail.
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Sept 30, 2024 15:39:20 GMT
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Post by serpico on Sept 30, 2024 15:39:20 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 30, 2024 16:06:33 GMT
Shame on the BBC, for indulging in this propaganda. Why is he adressing the 'Iranian people' in English? This isn't an address to the people of Iran, it's complete propoganda to be broadcast by complicit Western news channels, to their citizens. The Iranian people aren't stupid either.
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Sept 30, 2024 16:12:11 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 30, 2024 16:12:11 GMT
Why isn't anybody in the West asking Israel, if your end game isn't a two state solution, then what actually IS your end game?
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 30, 2024 18:37:51 GMT
I try not to get involved really on things like this as I don't know the ins and outs of it as other posters who keep tabs on it do. Same with the Ukraine thread really but I just look at these wars and think to myself what are they achieving other than death, hurt and destruction on both sides. There are children and innocent people dying on both sides who just want to live their lives peacefully. Why we can't get on without all this horrible shit is really beyond me. I would imagine the majority of everyday Israeli's and Palestinians just want to live a normal side by side but it is out of their hands and that's the saddest thing about this whole shitty affair, much like the Russia/Ukraine conflict.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 30, 2024 19:24:46 GMT
I try not to get involved really on things like this as I don't know the ins and outs of it as other posters who keep tabs on it do. Same with the Ukraine thread really but I just look at these wars and think to myself what are they achieving other than death, hurt and destruction on both sides. There are children and innocent people dying on both sides who just want to live their lives peacefully. Why we can't get on without all this horrible shit is really beyond me. I would imagine the majority of everyday Israeli's and Palestinians just want to live a normal side by side but it is out of their hands and that's the saddest thing about this whole shitty affair, much like the Russia/Ukraine conflict. 100% All this taking sides on here is simply sanctimonious bluster
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 30, 2024 19:29:15 GMT
I try not to get involved really on things like this as I don't know the ins and outs of it as other posters who keep tabs on it do. Same with the Ukraine thread really but I just look at these wars and think to myself what are they achieving other than death, hurt and destruction on both sides. There are children and innocent people dying on both sides who just want to live their lives peacefully. Why we can't get on without all this horrible shit is really beyond me. I would imagine the majority of everyday Israeli's and Palestinians just want to live a normal side by side but it is out of their hands and that's the saddest thing about this whole shitty affair, much like the Russia/Ukraine conflict. 100% All this taking sides on here is simply sanctimonious bluster I think you can hold a view on an issue and not be sanctimonious about the matter. Sure, posting on here won't change the world (or anyone's mind) but it's perfectly valid for people to post and share their opinions.
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Sept 30, 2024 19:32:19 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 30, 2024 19:32:19 GMT
100% All this taking sides on here is simply sanctimonious bluster I think you can hold a view on an issue and not be sanctimonious about the matter. Sure, posting on here won't change the world (or anyone's mind) but it's perfectly valid for people to post and share their opinions. I can see what you’re doing and yes I guess I should scale back from my original comment but I can’t help thinking there is an air of nailing colours to a mast when in reality opinions are mainly formed from social media or the media in general.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 30, 2024 19:32:47 GMT
I try not to get involved really on things like this as I don't know the ins and outs of it as other posters who keep tabs on it do. Same with the Ukraine thread really but I just look at these wars and think to myself what are they achieving other than death, hurt and destruction on both sides. There are children and innocent people dying on both sides who just want to live their lives peacefully. Why we can't get on without all this horrible shit is really beyond me. I would imagine the majority of everyday Israeli's and Palestinians just want to live a normal side by side but it is out of their hands and that's the saddest thing about this whole shitty affair, much like the Russia/Ukraine conflict. I agree with what you say, the only thing I will add is if you’re living that normal life in someone else’s house on someone else’s land in occupied territories then whether you choose to admit it or not you are complicit…..
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 30, 2024 19:37:54 GMT
I think you can hold a view on an issue and not be sanctimonious about the matter. Sure, posting on here won't change the world (or anyone's mind) but it's perfectly valid for people to post and share their opinions. I can see what you’re doing and yes I guess I should scale back from my original comment but I can’t help thinking there is an air of nailing colours to a mast when in reality opinions are mainly formed from social media or the media in general. People can nail colours to masts if they want. People can view issues as simple, polarised, black and white, nuclear in their end game if they want. However, things are almost always far more nuanced than that and, in terms of being sanctimonious, it's far better to accept pluralism as a concept than it is to fall and give in to the forces of absolutism. There is very rarely an absolute right or an absolute wrong; but whenever people think that way it almost always ends in a body count. People can hold their view, but should accept that their is always going to be another perspective and another reality either diametrically or logically opposed to their own. It's usually how diplomacy on any level either works or fails; in the end people have to either accept the idea of pluralism.
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Post by foster on Sept 30, 2024 19:47:52 GMT
I can see what you’re doing and yes I guess I should scale back from my original comment but I can’t help thinking there is an air of nailing colours to a mast when in reality opinions are mainly formed from social media or the media in general. People can nail colours to masts if they want. People can view issues as simple, polarised, black and white, nuclear in their end game if they want. However, things are almost always far more nuanced than that and, in terms of being sanctimonious, it's far better to accept pluralism as a concept than it is to fall and give in to the forces of absolutism. There is very rarely an absolute right or an absolute wrong; but whenever people think that way it almost always ends in a body count. People can hold their view, but should accept that their is always going to be another perspective and another reality either diametrically or logically opposed to their own.
It's usually how diplomacy on any level either works or fails; in the end people have to either accept the idea of pluralism. That's basically what he said.
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Sept 30, 2024 20:05:00 GMT
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 30, 2024 20:05:00 GMT
I try not to get involved really on things like this as I don't know the ins and outs of it as other posters who keep tabs on it do. Same with the Ukraine thread really but I just look at these wars and think to myself what are they achieving other than death, hurt and destruction on both sides. There are children and innocent people dying on both sides who just want to live their lives peacefully. Why we can't get on without all this horrible shit is really beyond me. I would imagine the majority of everyday Israeli's and Palestinians just want to live a normal side by side but it is out of their hands and that's the saddest thing about this whole shitty affair, much like the Russia/Ukraine conflict. I agree with what you say, the only thing I will add is if you’re living that normal life in someone else’s house on someone else’s land in occupied territories then whether you choose to admit it or not you are complicit….. The children living in whichever territory did not choose to be there though and deserve a normal life, to counter that point mate
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Sept 30, 2024 20:39:18 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 30, 2024 20:39:18 GMT
People can hold their view, but should accept that their is always going to be another perspective and another reality either diametrically or logically opposed to their own. Indeed, accept when people prefer to not actually hold a view of their own at all and simply feel more comfortable criticising people for having an opinion on a topic, regardless. 🤫
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 30, 2024 20:40:42 GMT
I agree with what you say, the only thing I will add is if you’re living that normal life in someone else’s house on someone else’s land in occupied territories then whether you choose to admit it or not you are complicit….. The children living in whichever territory did not choose to be there though and deserve a normal life, to counter that point mate Absolutely, children are always the innocent victims in all of this shit……
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