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Israel
Sept 30, 2024 20:43:15 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 30, 2024 20:43:15 GMT
People can hold their view, but should accept that their is always going to be another perspective and another reality either diametrically or logically opposed to their own. Indeed, accept when people prefer to not actually hold a view of their own at all and simply feel more comfortable criticising people for having an opinion, regardless. 🤫 I prefer to not be persuaded my social media or otherwise if that’s ok by you sunshine😉
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Israel
Sept 30, 2024 20:49:31 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 30, 2024 20:49:31 GMT
Indeed, accept when people prefer to not actually hold a view of their own at all and simply feel more comfortable criticising people for having an opinion, regardless. 🤫 I prefer to not be persuaded my social media or otherwise if that’s ok by you sunshine😉 If you want have a discussion about the topic in hand Badge, Israel in this case, then I'm more than happy to engage you. But if you're only here to accuse people of being sanctimonious for discussing the topic (literally per se), then I'm not really sure of the point of it.
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Israel
Oct 1, 2024 6:18:51 GMT
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Post by serpico on Oct 1, 2024 6:18:51 GMT
Shame on the BBC, for indulging in this propaganda. Why is he adressing the 'Iranian people' in English? This isn't an address to the people of Iran, it's complete propoganda to be broadcast by complicit Western news channels, to their citizens. The Iranian people aren't stupid either. Most likely an attempt to make Iran think they’re next to be attacked in the hope they change their behaviour and directly attack Israel preemptively, which would then trigger the US (and most likely the UK) entry into the regional wide war. Doubt very much it will work, the last thing Iran wants is war with the US.
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Israel
Oct 1, 2024 7:19:57 GMT
Post by foster on Oct 1, 2024 7:19:57 GMT
Shame on the BBC, for indulging in this propaganda. Why is he adressing the 'Iranian people' in English? This isn't an address to the people of Iran, it's complete propoganda to be broadcast by complicit Western news channels, to their citizens. The Iranian people aren't stupid either. Not sure how different they are but why would he speak Arabic when the Jewish language is Hebrew. English is the widely accepted international language. Agree with the point on propaganda. I also believe that the Jews control pretty much everything in the west.
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 1, 2024 8:32:51 GMT
Shame on the BBC, for indulging in this propaganda. Why is he adressing the 'Iranian people' in English? This isn't an address to the people of Iran, it's complete propoganda to be broadcast by complicit Western news channels, to their citizens. The Iranian people aren't stupid either. Most likely an attempt to make Iran think they’re next to be attacked in the hope they change their behaviour and directly attack Israel preemptively, which would then trigger the US (and most likely the UK) entry into the regional wide war. Doubt very much it will work, the last thing Iran wants is war with the US. The problem Iran face is that unlike Israel, they have no powerful allies. If Russia and China were to uplift their 'strategic' partnership with Iran to a higher military capability, then Israel and the West would have a real fight on its hands. As it stands Russia obviously have their hands full with Ukraine, and China don't want to damage the commercial markets they enjoy with the West. For our part, I think we need to stay out of this. If Iran attack Israel first, then fair enough. But if Israel make the first move in bombing Iran, that's their call and we should tell them they're on their own. Given Israel have been dropping shells on Beirut and started a ground incursion, then (whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation) Hezbollah are perfectly justified to retaliate. We supply Israel with rockets, Hezbollah get theirs from Iran - that's all square, now let them fight it out. If Hezbollah launch missiles at Tel Aviv, then we must tell Israel that we don't want to be involved if they attack Iran as retaliation.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 1, 2024 8:47:12 GMT
Most likely an attempt to make Iran think they’re next to be attacked in the hope they change their behaviour and directly attack Israel preemptively, which would then trigger the US (and most likely the UK) entry into the regional wide war. Doubt very much it will work, the last thing Iran wants is war with the US. The problem Iran face is that unlike Israel, they have no powerful allies. If Russia and China were to uplift their 'strategic' partnership with Iran to a higher military capability, then Israel and the West would have a real fight on its hands. As it stands Russia obviously have their hands full with Ukraine, and China don't want to damage the commercial markets they enjoy with the West. For our part, I think we need to stay out of this. If Iran attack Israel first, then fair enough. But if Israel make the first move in bombing Iran, that's their call and we should tell them they're on their own. Given Israel have been dropping shells on Beirut and started a ground incursion, then (whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation) Hezbollah are perfectly justified to retaliate. We supply Israel with rockets, Hezbollah get theirs from Iran - that's all square, now let them fight it out. If Hezbollah launch missiles at Tel Aviv, then we must tell Israel that we don't want to be involved if they attack Iran as retaliation. Agree with that. Nobody ahs really tested the supposed Iran-Russia-China axis but all indications are that, if Iran did push to attack Israel, both Russia and China would be exceedingly reluctant to get involved given any supposed proxy war could potentially turn nuclear. Despite Putin's incessant ramblings, Ukraine does not pose that same threat.
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Israel
Oct 1, 2024 9:05:36 GMT
Post by shakermaker on Oct 1, 2024 9:05:36 GMT
The problem Iran face is that unlike Israel, they have no powerful allies. If Russia and China were to uplift their 'strategic' partnership with Iran to a higher military capability, then Israel and the West would have a real fight on its hands. As it stands Russia obviously have their hands full with Ukraine, and China don't want to damage the commercial markets they enjoy with the West. For our part, I think we need to stay out of this. If Iran attack Israel first, then fair enough. But if Israel make the first move in bombing Iran, that's their call and we should tell them they're on their own. Given Israel have been dropping shells on Beirut and started a ground incursion, then (whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation) Hezbollah are perfectly justified to retaliate. We supply Israel with rockets, Hezbollah get theirs from Iran - that's all square, now let them fight it out. If Hezbollah launch missiles at Tel Aviv, then we must tell Israel that we don't want to be involved if they attack Iran as retaliation. Agree with that. Nobody ahs really tested the supposed Iran-Russia-China axis but all indications are that, if Iran did push to attack Israel, both Russia and China would be exceedingly reluctant to get involved given any supposed proxy war could potentially turn nuclear. Despite Putin's incessant ramblings, Ukraine does not pose that same threat. I do believe there should be an agreed global rule of engagement that no country should ever go nuclear unless they are at threat of being occupied by an adversary. If say Russia and China did back Iran and we had all out WW3, the only hope is that combat would be confined to missiles and bombs and nothing atomic. Whoever loses, they retreat with their tales between their legs and that should be the end of it. But if a country goes nuclear purely to gain a strategic advantage when that instigator is not at threat of being occupied, there should be no hesitation in wiping out that perpetrator as quickly as possible.
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Israel
Oct 1, 2024 10:08:33 GMT
Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 1, 2024 10:08:33 GMT
Agree with that. Nobody ahs really tested the supposed Iran-Russia-China axis but all indications are that, if Iran did push to attack Israel, both Russia and China would be exceedingly reluctant to get involved given any supposed proxy war could potentially turn nuclear. Despite Putin's incessant ramblings, Ukraine does not pose that same threat. I do believe there should be an agreed global rule of engagement that no country should ever go nuclear unless they are at threat of being occupied by an adversary. If say Russia and China did back Iran and we had all out WW3, the only hope is that combat would be confined to missiles and bombs and nothing atomic. Whoever loses, they retreat with their tales between their legs and that should be the end of it. But if a country goes nuclear purely to gain a strategic advantage when that instigator is not at threat of being occupied, there should be no hesitation in wiping out that perpetrator as quickly as possible. There already is the preventative threat of mutual destruction that having nuclear weapons gives you. Which is precisely why we have NPT's (Non-Proliferation Treaty states - China, France, Russia, United Kingdom, United States) which exist to control the spread of nuclear weapons and ensure only designated states get them (at the moment these are strategic according to the NPT's, so India, North Korea, Pakistan, Israel, Belgium, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Turkey, and Belarus). States which used to have them are Kazakhstan, South Africa, Ukraine - but these have been subsumed by Russia in accordance with the NPT. It's all managed and balanced quite carefully...until you get a despot in charge of one of the NPT's (i.e. Putin).
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 1, 2024 12:22:02 GMT
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Israel
Oct 1, 2024 14:04:13 GMT
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Post by serpico on Oct 1, 2024 14:04:13 GMT
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Israel
Oct 1, 2024 14:38:58 GMT
Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 1, 2024 14:38:58 GMT
If the BBC are reporting it chances are the US and Israel have already factored this in.
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Israel
Oct 1, 2024 14:47:04 GMT
Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 1, 2024 14:47:04 GMT
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Israel
Oct 1, 2024 15:52:58 GMT
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Post by serpico on Oct 1, 2024 15:52:58 GMT
If the BBC are reporting it chances are the US and Israel have already factored this in. You wonder if Israel and/or America are trying to shape a narrative of “hit them before they hit us” … a bit like how Iraq were “Amassing wmd, we mustn’t let the evidence be a mushroom cloud” justifying a “preventative strike” on Irans missile sites etc
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Israel
Oct 1, 2024 16:02:13 GMT
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Post by foster on Oct 1, 2024 16:02:13 GMT
Great bit of promo there with Mark Curtiss promoting his own tweet and website.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 1, 2024 16:03:29 GMT
He's demonic isn't he?
He's just admitted to the entire world that they never wanted a ceasefire, even though, for the last eleven months, they've been claiming as much.
And the worst thing about it all, is that nobody gives a shit and the world just let's them change the narrative with absolutely zero consequences.
We're utter mugs.
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Israel
Oct 1, 2024 16:38:24 GMT
Post by The Drunken Communist on Oct 1, 2024 16:38:24 GMT
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Israel
Oct 1, 2024 16:46:23 GMT
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Post by foster on Oct 1, 2024 16:46:23 GMT
Smells like Bullshit and simple justification for 'retaliatory' action.
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Israel
Oct 1, 2024 16:51:53 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 1, 2024 16:51:53 GMT
To be expected.
Israel will just shoot them all down….
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Israel
Oct 1, 2024 16:58:55 GMT
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 1, 2024 16:58:55 GMT
Smells like Bullshit and simple justification for 'retaliatory' action. Didn't look like bullshit on my telly. And looked like a fair few were getting through into the middle of Tel Aviv. Jeez this is really going to kick off innit 😳 😕
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Israel
Oct 1, 2024 17:03:32 GMT
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Post by serpico on Oct 1, 2024 17:03:32 GMT
Reports of buildings hit in Tel Aviv.
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Israel
Oct 1, 2024 17:05:36 GMT
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Post by foster on Oct 1, 2024 17:05:36 GMT
Smells like Bullshit and simple justification for 'retaliatory' action. Didn't look like bullshit on my telly. And looked like a fair few were getting through into the middle of Tel Aviv. Jeez this is really going to kick off innit 😳 😕 Fair enough. I'm out and just checking the news now.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 1, 2024 17:09:26 GMT
Reports of buildings hit in Tel Aviv. There are terrorist attacks going on in the streets of Tel Aviv. This is exactly what Netanyahu has been hoping for.
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Israel
Oct 1, 2024 17:25:51 GMT
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 1, 2024 17:25:51 GMT
Reports of buildings hit in Tel Aviv. There are terrorist attacks going on in the streets of Tel Aviv. This is exactly what Netanyahu has been hoping for. Let’s get this party started. See how you like it Israel you bunch of murderous cunts!!!
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Israel
Oct 1, 2024 17:28:52 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 1, 2024 17:28:52 GMT
A lot of missiles getting through by the looks of it.
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Israel
Oct 1, 2024 17:30:35 GMT
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 1, 2024 17:30:35 GMT
A lot of missiles getting through by the looks of it. But… but… Iron Dome!!! :-))
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Israel
Oct 1, 2024 17:31:47 GMT
Post by stokeson on Oct 1, 2024 17:31:47 GMT
USA active in intercepting .This is the start the IDF wanted.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 1, 2024 17:38:47 GMT
There are terrorist attacks going on in the streets of Tel Aviv. This is exactly what Netanyahu has been hoping for. Let’s get this party started. See how you like it Israel you bunch of murderous cunts!!! Really don't think there's any 'party' to be had here mate. Netanyahu has been allowed to walk the world into potentially a hugely significant war, completely unopposed. America this afternoon, have changed the narrative, claiming that they've never wanted a ceasefire fire after all and are pouring troops into the region. If this war actually does happen, then all of us are going to end up suffering.
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Post by serpico on Oct 1, 2024 17:39:30 GMT
Israel will now feel they have the justification to hit Iran directly with more than just a symbolic “retaliatory” attack. The opportunity to get the US into a shooting war with Israel’s biggest regional enemy is too big for Nutenyahu to pass up!
I wonder how Americans will react to literally fighting a war in defence of another nation ? Iran is of no threat to American national security yet they likely about to spend billions of dollars fighting them on behalf of a foreign power!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 1, 2024 17:42:26 GMT
There are terrorist attacks going on in the streets of Tel Aviv. This is exactly what Netanyahu has been hoping for. Let’s get this party started. See how you like it Israel you bunch of murderous cunts!!! I feel exactly the same as when all conflicts escalate, just extremely sad for all the innocent victims caught up in this shit show. Let's hope both parties can find it within themselves to de-escalate, I'm not holding my breath......
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Israel
Oct 1, 2024 17:43:04 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 1, 2024 17:43:04 GMT
If women were in charge if Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Lebanon, Iran and the USA I bet it wouldn’t be so close to a big war.
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