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[prestwichpotter]

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[Foster]

Jun 14, 2024 8:30:37 GMT prestwichpotter said:

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That's a tough watch and a tear jerker.

[Huddysleftfoot]

[prestwichpotter]

[crouchpotato1]

Cyprus being threatened now by this horrible cnut

[knype]

Jun 19, 2024 17:11:27 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

Cyprus being threatened now by this horrible cnut

Yeah, but, but, but...

[iancransonsknees]

Loves his beats though and double dropping with Ely.

[Gawa]

oggyoggy

When we talk about the influence of the Israel lobby. We mean stuff like this

[Gawa]

Jun 19, 2024 17:11:27 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

Cyprus being threatened now by this horrible cnut

Country A uses Country B to attack Country C.

Ohhhh Country C is so bad for telling Country B they're complicit for allowing Country A to attack Country C.

[oggyoggy]

Jun 20, 2024 8:57:27 GMT Gawa said:

oggyoggy

When we talk about the influence of the Israel lobby. We mean stuff like this

It is pretty awful. But I imagine prospective leaders get the same from multiple lobbyists about multiple issues. I don’t think this would be confined to the pro-Israel lobbyists.

I definitely think there should be more transparency about lobbying, and some regulation.

[Paul Spencer]

I would love somebody to explain to me why this gentleman is wrong ...

[Paul Spencer]

What on earth have I just watched?

[roylandstoke]

Jun 24, 2024 14:39:23 GMT Paul Spencer said:

What on earth have I just watched?

Sadly that may not be too far from the thoughts and intentions of the Israeli government.

[bigjohnritchie]

Jun 24, 2024 18:35:28 GMT roylandstoke said:

Jun 24, 2024 14:39:23 GMT Paul Spencer said:

What on earth have I just watched?

Sadly that may not be too far from the thoughts and intentions of the Israeli government.

And Western governments?


The ONLY way " we" can have a democratic voice in this is by electoral reform. Parties such as tge Greens would have a much bigger voice and say in what is happening.
Otherwise we are just sidelined commentators.

[Paul Spencer]

Jun 24, 2024 18:35:28 GMT roylandstoke said:

Jun 24, 2024 14:39:23 GMT Paul Spencer said:

What on earth have I just watched?

Sadly that may not be too far from the thoughts and intentions of the Israeli government.

TOO far?

Pound to a penny, it's absolutely on the money ...

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www.cnn.com/2024/06/25/middleeast/israel-orthodox-military-high-court-intl/index.html

[roylandstoke]

Jun 24, 2024 19:10:30 GMT bigjohnritchie said:

Jun 24, 2024 18:35:28 GMT roylandstoke said:

Sadly that may not be too far from the thoughts and intentions of the Israeli government.

And Western governments?


The ONLY way " we" can have a democratic voice in this is by electoral reform. Parties such as tge Greens would have a much bigger voice and say in what is happening.
Otherwise we are just sidelined commentators.

Our own government has enabled the actions of The Israeli government.
We do need to get more people with common sense and clear moral compasses into power.

[Paul Spencer]

Jun 14, 2024 1:19:55 GMT PotterLog said:

Jun 13, 2024 22:43:35 GMT Paul Spencer said:

What is it that you think she is reacting to?

Something like a profound and visceral sense of abandonment and betrayal. Outrage at the existence of her (and their) homeland being attacked by her own people. The victim-blaming, the incredulity at them siding with the enemy in a war triggered by an unspeakably cruel antisemitic massacre. Quite possibly fear for her child’s future. That’s if I had to guess, obviously I can’t speak for her.

You won’t agree with the legitimacy of that I’m sure. Fine, but I’m taking issue with the characterisation of her as “brainwashed”. Her reaction is emotional but understandable and in step with mainstream opinion - they are the radicals here, not her. This thread is now so completely one-sided that I think that kind of thing is lost.

Apologies for the delayed reply to this mate, I was just watching this exchange and Waters uses the term 'brainwashed' (quite legitimately imho) very early on in the conversation and he and Feinstein, then go on to articulate my feelings perfectly.

You read and you listen and you research and then once you've done all of that, you do the 'right' thing ...

[metalhead]

Jun 24, 2024 19:10:30 GMT bigjohnritchie said:

Jun 24, 2024 18:35:28 GMT roylandstoke said:

Sadly that may not be too far from the thoughts and intentions of the Israeli government.

And Western governments?


The ONLY way " we" can have a democratic voice in this is by electoral reform. Parties such as tge Greens would have a much bigger voice and say in what is happening.
Otherwise we are just sidelined commentators.

You'd also end up with some absolute shit houses moving into the castle walls... Every chance of BNP and UKIP boost and potentially a sizable following if we switch to proportional representation.

[bigjohnritchie]

Jun 28, 2024 9:21:43 GMT metalhead said:

Jun 24, 2024 19:10:30 GMT bigjohnritchie said:

And Western governments?


The ONLY way " we" can have a democratic voice in this is by electoral reform. Parties such as tge Greens would have a much bigger voice and say in what is happening.
Otherwise we are just sidelined commentators.

You'd also end up with some absolute shit houses moving into the castle walls... Every chance of BNP and UKIP boost and potentially a sizable following if we switch to proportional representation.

Anything is possible, can't really predict
the future but at least it would be more representative. It would be up to " others " to offer alternatives and to make the case for them....and at least the electorate would know that their vote counted.....which it largely doesn't at present .

[PotterLog]

Jun 24, 2024 14:39:23 GMT Paul Spencer said:

What on earth have I just watched?

That's Chris Hedges, a pro-Palestine/anti-Israel writer. He calls Hamas a "resistance group" later in that talk, or a similar one.

Here he's characterising the Israelis as he sees them in his own words (or quoting something).

[wannabee]

Jun 28, 2024 19:41:39 GMT PotterLog said:

Jun 24, 2024 14:39:23 GMT Paul Spencer said:

What on earth have I just watched?

That's Chris Hedges, a pro-Palestine/anti-Israel writer. He calls Hamas a "resistance group" later in that talk, or a similar one.

Here he's characterising the Israelis as he sees them in his own words (or quoting something).

Amongst many other things Chris Hedges has been a War Correspondent in South America and the Balkans, New York Times Bureau Chief in the Middle East and was a contributor to the New York Times Feam that won the Pulitzer Prize for Explanatory Reporting on 9/11 and the Terrorist threat it poses

He believes  Netanyahu's  coalition's end game is to destroy any possibility of a Palestinian State by  acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing and he  cites the withholding of food, water, medicine, and the bombing of hospitals, during the conflict as examples of that endeavour. This would coincide with establishing an a pure Ethno Religious Jewish State 

I'm sure you don't agree with his view but Hedges has established Bona Fides to put forward his view. A view shared by some on here and also some World Leaders although they wouldn't couch it in such naked language, ICJ has, at least in part.

[Paul Spencer]

Jun 28, 2024 19:41:39 GMT PotterLog said:

Jun 24, 2024 14:39:23 GMT Paul Spencer said:

What on earth have I just watched?

That's Chris Hedges, a pro-Palestine/anti-Israel writer. He calls Hamas a "resistance group" later in that talk, or a similar one.

Here he's characterising the Israelis as he sees them in his own words (or quoting something).

Yes, hence my question, I couldn't understand what I was watching.

Thanks for the reply PL, I genuinely had no idea who he was, it starts to make sense now.

[PotterLog]

Jun 29, 2024 10:55:13 GMT Paul Spencer said:

Jun 28, 2024 19:41:39 GMT PotterLog said:

That's Chris Hedges, a pro-Palestine/anti-Israel writer. He calls Hamas a "resistance group" later in that talk, or a similar one.

Here he's characterising the Israelis as he sees them in his own words (or quoting something).

Yes, hence my question, I couldn't understand what I was watching.

Thanks for the reply PL, I genuinely had no idea who he was, it starts to make sense now.

Me neither at first, then I happened to get the sense I recognised the bloke so checked it out.

Highlights a problem with social media like this though doesn't it - it’s clear from the replies to that tweet that people are under the impression this is somebody speaking sincerely - and it’s not a stretch to imagine they think this smartly-presented American-accented old white bloke is some kind of Israeli official speaking plainly about exterminating Palestinians in the cruellest way imaginable.

It seems obvious to me that it’s been deliberately clipped to give that false impression but even if it hasn’t, there are probably hundreds or thousands of people trawling through Twitter who come away with it anyway, and have that stored in a corner of their mind, informing their opinions and outrage as they take to the streets or their own social media to protest the genocide they are now convinced Israel is committing.

I’m not saying it doesn’t happen the other way round either. First casualty of war and all that - more true now than ever maybe.

I watched Roger by the way. Too much to say about the video itself (including imo one very revealing slip of the mask at the end when he’s talking about what happens to the Israelis under his ideal solution) but one thing that really resonated with me was his phrase about this being “an existential battle to save the soul of humanity” - at one moment a few months ago you suggested - probably justifiably - that I was talking vaguely or in nebulous terms or something like that. Well what Roger says there is something like what I was trying to express. I couldn’t agree with him more.

[wannabee]

Dr Mohammed Abu Salmiya Director of al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza has been released without charge after more than seven months of detention by Israel.

He had been arrested by IDF because of a claim that al-Shifa was the Operations Centre of Hamas with underground tunnels which they claimed Dr Salmiya must have known about and collaborated on

Dr Salmiya claims he was subject to torture and beaten daily. He also claims some Medical Staff that were detained have died as a result of torture which all Palestinian Detainees are subject to daily 

www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz47w24dld0o

[Chewbacca the Wookie]

apple.news/AFWnXAjoYR8ixH9E9qbNmmg

Mr Newby deserves a knighthood for his act of kindness.

Didn’t want to start a seperate thread but felt due to the suspects reason for targeting the hospital this may be the most suitable.

[Gawa]

If you're appalled by what's happened in Gaza and you vote for Labour then just remember what you're supporting in your name.

It's all well and good speaking out on a public forum and saying your disgusted by the parties response.

Voting for them is supporting genocide in your name. An uncomfortable truth for some but the truth none the less.

[fullmetaljacket]

Jul 3, 2024 10:08:29 GMT Gawa said:

If you're appalled by what's happened in Gaza and you vote for Labour then just remember what you're supporting in your name.

It's all well and good speaking out on a public forum and saying your disgusted by the parties response.

Voting for them is supporting genocide in your name. An uncomfortable truth for some but the truth none the less.

Presumably the same applies to the current government then too? 🤔

The ones with an actual semblance to be able to influence policy?

[Gawa]

Jul 3, 2024 10:10:38 GMT fullmetaljacket said:

Jul 3, 2024 10:08:29 GMT Gawa said:

If you're appalled by what's happened in Gaza and you vote for Labour then just remember what you're supporting in your name.

It's all well and good speaking out on a public forum and saying your disgusted by the parties response.

Voting for them is supporting genocide in your name. An uncomfortable truth for some but the truth none the less.

Presumably the same applies to the current government then too? 🤔

The ones with an actual semblance to be able to influence policy?

Of course it does but given they were elected before the conflict and before their voters knew the parties position on the conflict its a bit different.

People know Labours stance. Labours relation to the Israel lobby. Labours candidates with connections to Mossad agents. And Labour MPs lack of support for Palestine.

[prestwichpotter]

Jul 3, 2024 10:08:29 GMT Gawa said:

If you're appalled by what's happened in Gaza and you vote for Labour then just remember what you're supporting in your name.

It's all well and good speaking out on a public forum and saying your disgusted by the parties response.

Voting for them is supporting genocide in your name. An uncomfortable truth for some but the truth none the less.

Same tactics as that knob head You Tuber Charlie Vietch (?) uses in Manchester, baits dozens of peaceful protesters constantly, and when one finally has enough of his bullshit he claims he’s been bullied and harassed…..