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Post by wannabee on Jun 6, 2024 20:10:06 GMT
Of course they should be released but as despicable as it may sound they are bargaining chips. There are 9500 Palestinians in Israeli Prisons of which 3600+ are being held without charge and neither they not their legal representatives are allowed to know why they are being detained Of these 200+ are children and a further 80+ Women At some point this awful slaughter must end in some kind of peace deal and a prisoner exchange will be part of that as it was in previous temporary ceasefire It also places pressure on Netanyahu to agree to agree a peace deal I agree the Hamas Leadership have long gone from Gaza so it begs the question who exactly are Israel currently bombing, a UN Run School in Central Gaza killing dozens of women and children? I wonder how many of those imprisoned by Israel matter to Hamas though? Probably not the ones without charge as only certified members of Hamas will matter to them, and they will be with a charge I imagine. It is all so tragic (reading about the UN school was awful). Particularly so on D-Day. Whether they matter to Hamas or not is difficult to say, but what can be said is that support for Hamas in West Bank has increased from 12% to 44% pre/post October 7 www.al-monitor.com/originals/2023/12/hamas-popularity-triples-west-bank-oct-7-us-support-0What can also be said is that 502 Palestinians have been killed in West Bank by IDF and Settlers since October 7 www.unrwa.org/resources/reports/unrwa-situation-report-111-situation-gaza-strip-and-west-bank-including-east-JerusalemWhat can also be said is that Settlers expansion in West Bank has accelerated since October 7 www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-settlements-expand-by-record-amount-un-rights-chief-says-2024-03-08/People in UK become upset when they watch events in Gaza. Can you imagine the feeling of Palestinians in West Bank watching their relatives being bombed every night In addition they see their children or relatives being killed and their neighbours houses being confiscated The consequences of War are long lasting, a peace treaty is not going to erase the bitterness.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 7, 2024 3:15:22 GMT
People in UK become upset when they watch events in Gaza. Can you imagine the feeling of Palestinians in West Bank watching their relatives being bombed every night I can't. And being told that Israel might come and force me out of my home if I don't resist would get me damn angry and wanting to strike back. I still don't know enough to have a full opinion on Israel-Palestine, but the settlements in the West Bank just seem wrong. I've tried really hard to understand the arguments supporting Israel's actions by listening to a republican friend of mine explain. But I can't make heads nor tails of it. (Before anyone screams about anti semitism, which is his big thing - I said Israel's actions. I don't like civilians being slaughtered, and he seems to think sympathy for murdered civilians is anti semitism).
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Jun 7, 2024 3:21:38 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 7, 2024 3:21:38 GMT
Found a March poll of Palestinians. Sorry if already posted. Interesting that belief in Hamas' victory over Israel increased from 2023 to March!
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Jun 7, 2024 4:01:57 GMT
Post by wannabee on Jun 7, 2024 4:01:57 GMT
Found a March poll of Palestinians. Sorry if already posted. Interesting that belief in Hamas' victory over Israel increased from 2023 to March! Fairly predictable results I would have thought from Palestinians living in Gaza and West Bank If you have been living under the rule of an oppressor if someone strikes back at the oppressor, no matter how brutal, of course you will align with them. When the oppressor strikes back with 100 or 1000 times the force you begin to question your previous Schadenfreude Pre October 7 the Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank had very different life experiences. The former were under siege and controlled from outside but everyone suffered the same level of poverty but not discrimination within the enclave Those in the West Bank were more integrated with Israel albeit in an Apartheid regime and brushed up against that racism daily.
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Post by themistocles on Jun 7, 2024 8:24:52 GMT
To give you an idea of the scale of the information war being fought in Gaza. From my own sources and Cyabra.
31% of X accounts using the hashtag #IsraeliNewNazism were fake accounts with a reach of 5.1m views.
39% of X accounts using the hashtag #IsraelTerrorist were fake accounts with a reach of 15.4m views.
42% of X accounts using the hashtag #israel_is_terrorist were fake accounts with a reach of 6.3m views.
31% of X accounts using the hashtag #Baptist_hosptial were fake accounts with a reach of 8.2m views.
6 large, co-ordinated fake account campaigns employed these hashtags.
The scale and reach of these campaigns is astonishing. This is what we’re up against.
But a Hamas claim of 450 civilians killed by the IDF in a 4x4 tent is taken as gospel..
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Post by stokeson on Jun 7, 2024 8:42:26 GMT
To give you an idea of the scale of the information war being fought in Gaza. From my own sources and Cyabra. 31% of X accounts using the hashtag #IsraeliNewNazism were fake accounts with a reach of 5.1m views. 39% of X accounts using the hashtag #IsraelTerrorist were fake accounts with a reach of 15.4m views. 42% of X accounts using the hashtag #israel_is_terrorist were fake accounts with a reach of 6.3m views. 31% of X accounts using the hashtag #Baptist_hosptial were fake accounts with a reach of 8.2m views. 6 large, co-ordinated fake account campaigns employed these hashtags. The scale and reach of these campaigns is astonishing. This is what we’re up against. But a Hamas claim of 450 civilians killed by the IDF in a 4x4 tent is taken as gospel.. Stop using X then and watch the news.....
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Post by themistocles on Jun 7, 2024 8:57:44 GMT
To give you an idea of the scale of the information war being fought in Gaza. From my own sources and Cyabra. 31% of X accounts using the hashtag #IsraeliNewNazism were fake accounts with a reach of 5.1m views. 39% of X accounts using the hashtag #IsraelTerrorist were fake accounts with a reach of 15.4m views. 42% of X accounts using the hashtag #israel_is_terrorist were fake accounts with a reach of 6.3m views. 31% of X accounts using the hashtag #Baptist_hosptial were fake accounts with a reach of 8.2m views. 6 large, co-ordinated fake account campaigns employed these hashtags. The scale and reach of these campaigns is astonishing. This is what we’re up against. But a Hamas claim of 450 civilians killed by the IDF in a 4x4 tent is taken as gospel.. Stop using X then and watch the news..... . I like that haha. I don't use X for my source of information.
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Post by Davef on Jun 7, 2024 9:12:43 GMT
To give you an idea of the scale of the information war being fought in Gaza. From my own sources and Cyabra. 31% of X accounts using the hashtag #IsraeliNewNazism were fake accounts with a reach of 5.1m views. 39% of X accounts using the hashtag #IsraelTerrorist were fake accounts with a reach of 15.4m views. 42% of X accounts using the hashtag #israel_is_terrorist were fake accounts with a reach of 6.3m views. 31% of X accounts using the hashtag #Baptist_hosptial were fake accounts with a reach of 8.2m views. 6 large, co-ordinated fake account campaigns employed these hashtags. The scale and reach of these campaigns is astonishing. This is what we’re up against. But a Hamas claim of 450 civilians killed by the IDF in a 4x4 tent is taken as gospel.. Stop using X then and watch the news..... It's a big issue when Russian bots are influencing Western elections though isn't it?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 7, 2024 10:03:47 GMT
To give you an idea of the scale of the information war being fought in Gaza. From my own sources and Cyabra. 31% of X accounts using the hashtag #IsraeliNewNazism were fake accounts with a reach of 5.1m views. 39% of X accounts using the hashtag #IsraelTerrorist were fake accounts with a reach of 15.4m views. 42% of X accounts using the hashtag #israel_is_terrorist were fake accounts with a reach of 6.3m views. 31% of X accounts using the hashtag #Baptist_hosptial were fake accounts with a reach of 8.2m views. 6 large, co-ordinated fake account campaigns employed these hashtags. The scale and reach of these campaigns is astonishing. This is what we’re up against. But a Hamas claim of 450 civilians killed by the IDF in a 4x4 tent is taken as gospel.. Israel could just let independent journalists into the region to verify this apparent misinformation, I wonder why they choose not to do that?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 7, 2024 11:00:09 GMT
To give you an idea of the scale of the information war being fought in Gaza. From my own sources and Cyabra. 31% of X accounts using the hashtag #IsraeliNewNazism were fake accounts with a reach of 5.1m views. 39% of X accounts using the hashtag #IsraelTerrorist were fake accounts with a reach of 15.4m views. 42% of X accounts using the hashtag #israel_is_terrorist were fake accounts with a reach of 6.3m views. 31% of X accounts using the hashtag #Baptist_hosptial were fake accounts with a reach of 8.2m views. 6 large, co-ordinated fake account campaigns employed these hashtags. The scale and reach of these campaigns is astonishing. This is what we’re up against. But a Hamas claim of 450 civilians killed by the IDF in a 4x4 tent is taken as gospel.. What do you mean by ... "this is what WE'RE up against?" Any particular reason why you haven't compiled a list of Israeli misinformation and it's amount of reach?
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Jun 7, 2024 11:14:18 GMT
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Post by themistocles on Jun 7, 2024 11:14:18 GMT
To give you an idea of the scale of the information war being fought in Gaza. From my own sources and Cyabra. 31% of X accounts using the hashtag #IsraeliNewNazism were fake accounts with a reach of 5.1m views. 39% of X accounts using the hashtag #IsraelTerrorist were fake accounts with a reach of 15.4m views. 42% of X accounts using the hashtag #israel_is_terrorist were fake accounts with a reach of 6.3m views. 31% of X accounts using the hashtag #Baptist_hosptial were fake accounts with a reach of 8.2m views. 6 large, co-ordinated fake account campaigns employed these hashtags. The scale and reach of these campaigns is astonishing. This is what we’re up against. But a Hamas claim of 450 civilians killed by the IDF in a 4x4 tent is taken as gospel.. What do you mean by ... "this is what WE'RE up against?" Any particular reason why you haven't compiled a list of Israeli misinformation and it's amount of reach? Is that not self explanatory to you, Paul? Because Israeli misinformation is minimal on here, and amount of unsubstantiated claims and stats without source analysis from you and your like stifling discussion on this thread.
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Jun 7, 2024 11:16:26 GMT
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Post by themistocles on Jun 7, 2024 11:16:26 GMT
To give you an idea of the scale of the information war being fought in Gaza. From my own sources and Cyabra. 31% of X accounts using the hashtag #IsraeliNewNazism were fake accounts with a reach of 5.1m views. 39% of X accounts using the hashtag #IsraelTerrorist were fake accounts with a reach of 15.4m views. 42% of X accounts using the hashtag #israel_is_terrorist were fake accounts with a reach of 6.3m views. 31% of X accounts using the hashtag #Baptist_hosptial were fake accounts with a reach of 8.2m views. 6 large, co-ordinated fake account campaigns employed these hashtags. The scale and reach of these campaigns is astonishing. This is what we’re up against. But a Hamas claim of 450 civilians killed by the IDF in a 4x4 tent is taken as gospel.. Israel could just let independent journalists into the region to verify this apparent misinformation, I wonder why they choose not to do that? They do, but it's a very confined warzone.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 7, 2024 11:24:23 GMT
Israel could just let independent journalists into the region to verify this apparent misinformation, I wonder why they choose not to do that? They do, but it's a very confined warzone. The BBC, ITV, Channel 4, Sky News, ABC, CBS, CNN and NBC all disagree with you.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 7, 2024 12:29:20 GMT
What do you mean by ... "this is what WE'RE up against?" Any particular reason why you haven't compiled a list of Israeli misinformation and it's amount of reach? Is that not self explanatory to you, Paul? Because Israeli misinformation is minimal on here, and amount of unsubstantiated claims and stats without source analysis from you and your like stifling discussion on this thread. Yes the reporting of Israeli misinformation is minimal on here, even though it is an utterly huge machine on an industrial level that has taken place for decades. A machine that has infiltrated Western democracies to their very core, on a scale larger than anything the world has seen before, including Russia and China. And it's bit rich for you to talk of lack of source analysis when you don't provide a single source for anything from your 'own' soucres and you do realise that Cyabra is based in Tel Aviv and has Mike Pompeo sitting on it's board, don't you? www.nytimes.com/2024/06/05/technology/israel-campaign-gaza-social-media.html
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Jun 7, 2024 15:04:05 GMT
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Post by themistocles on Jun 7, 2024 15:04:05 GMT
Is that not self explanatory to you, Paul? Because Israeli misinformation is minimal on here, and amount of unsubstantiated claims and stats without source analysis from you and your like stifling discussion on this thread. Yes the reporting of Israeli misinformation is minimal on here, even though it is an utterly huge machine on an industrial level that has taken place for decades. A machine that has infiltrated Western democracies to their very core, on a scale larger than anything the world has seen before, including Russia and China. And it's bit rich for you to talk of lack of source analysis when you don't provide a single source for anything from your 'own' soucres and you do realise that Cyabra is based in Tel Aviv and has Mike Pompeo sitting on it's board, don't you? www.nytimes.com/2024/06/05/technology/israel-campaign-gaza-social-media.htmlOh sweetheart, your speaking conspiracy theories you unhinged clown. My sources are through my job and are close source. I don't need to provide them to you. We've analysed Cyabra thoroughly. But thier Jewish so let's not believe them shall we Paul..
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 7, 2024 15:15:06 GMT
Yes the reporting of Israeli misinformation is minimal on here, even though it is an utterly huge machine on an industrial level that has taken place for decades. A machine that has infiltrated Western democracies to their very core, on a scale larger than anything the world has seen before, including Russia and China. And it's bit rich for you to talk of lack of source analysis when you don't provide a single source for anything from your 'own' soucres and you do realise that Cyabra is based in Tel Aviv and has Mike Pompeo sitting on it's board, don't you? www.nytimes.com/2024/06/05/technology/israel-campaign-gaza-social-media.htmlOh sweetheart, your speaking conspiracy theories you unhinged clown. My sources are through my job and are close source. I don't need to provide them to you. We've analysed Cyabra thoroughly. But thier Jewish so let's not believe them shall we Paul.. Is Mike Pompeo Jewish, I have no idea you brought it up not Paul? Nice tactic though. I know as CIA director "he lied, he cheated, he stole. He was the source of disinformation campaigns destabilizing other countries’ national security." They're his words not mine by the way......
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Jun 7, 2024 15:22:20 GMT
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Post by themistocles on Jun 7, 2024 15:22:20 GMT
Oh sweetheart, your speaking conspiracy theories you unhinged clown. My sources are through my job and are close source. I don't need to provide them to you. We've analysed Cyabra thoroughly. But thier Jewish so let's not believe them shall we Paul.. Is Mike Pompeo Jewish, I have no idea you brought it up not Paul? Nice tactic though. I know as CIA director "he lied, he cheated, he stole. He was the source of disinformation campaigns destabilizing other countries’ national security." They're his words not mine by the way...... So he'd be an expert in identifying disinformation then...
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Post by wannabee on Jun 7, 2024 15:24:51 GMT
Yes the reporting of Israeli misinformation is minimal on here, even though it is an utterly huge machine on an industrial level that has taken place for decades. A machine that has infiltrated Western democracies to their very core, on a scale larger than anything the world has seen before, including Russia and China. And it's bit rich for you to talk of lack of source analysis when you don't provide a single source for anything from your 'own' soucres and you do realise that Cyabra is based in Tel Aviv and has Mike Pompeo sitting on it's board, don't you? www.nytimes.com/2024/06/05/technology/israel-campaign-gaza-social-media.htmlOh sweetheart, your speaking conspiracy theories you unhinged clown. My sources are through my job and are close source. I don't need to provide them to you. We've analysed Cyabra thoroughly. But thier Jewish so let's not believe them shall we Paul..
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 7, 2024 15:32:34 GMT
Is Mike Pompeo Jewish, I have no idea you brought it up not Paul? Nice tactic though. I know as CIA director "he lied, he cheated, he stole. He was the source of disinformation campaigns destabilizing other countries’ national security." They're his words not mine by the way...... So he'd be an expert in identifying disinformation then... Or helping spread it.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 7, 2024 15:35:21 GMT
Yes the reporting of Israeli misinformation is minimal on here, even though it is an utterly huge machine on an industrial level that has taken place for decades. A machine that has infiltrated Western democracies to their very core, on a scale larger than anything the world has seen before, including Russia and China. And it's bit rich for you to talk of lack of source analysis when you don't provide a single source for anything from your 'own' soucres and you do realise that Cyabra is based in Tel Aviv and has Mike Pompeo sitting on it's board, don't you? www.nytimes.com/2024/06/05/technology/israel-campaign-gaza-social-media.htmlOh sweetheart, your speaking conspiracy theories you unhinged clown. My sources are through my job and are close source. I don't need to provide them to you. We've analysed Cyabra thoroughly. But thier Jewish so let's not believe them shall we Paul.. Christ alive, listen to yourself... 🤦♂️
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Post by gawa on Jun 7, 2024 17:36:23 GMT
Oh sweetheart, your speaking conspiracy theories you unhinged clown. My sources are through my job and are close source. I don't need to provide them to you. We've analysed Cyabra thoroughly. But thier Jewish so let's not believe them shall we Paul.. Christ alive, listen to yourself... 🤦♂️ Twitter must have been more reliable in 2017 when he was using it. Apparently it's now acceptable to allow Hezbollah and other Islamic terrorists sympathisers to have their own special day in London to March and promote their sick ideology. Fucking sickening. Take a look at @ostrov_A's Tweet:
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Jun 7, 2024 17:59:40 GMT
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Post by Dutchpeter on Jun 7, 2024 17:59:40 GMT
There’s a pro Palestinian protest on NHS property on the A34 within sight of the Synagogue. Looks a bit provocative to me.
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Jun 7, 2024 18:02:49 GMT
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Post by themistocles on Jun 7, 2024 18:02:49 GMT
Christ alive, listen to yourself... 🤦♂️ Twitter must have been more reliable in 2017 when he was using it. Apparently it's now acceptable to allow Hezbollah and other Islamic terrorists sympathisers to have their own special day in London to March and promote their sick ideology. Fucking sickening. Take a look at @ostrov_A's Tweet: What point are you trying to make ? That there wasn't a March in 2017 or that people must have the same opinions and processes as they did 7 years ago ?
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Post by gawa on Jun 7, 2024 18:39:48 GMT
Twitter must have been more reliable in 2017 when he was using it. What point are you trying to make ? That there wasn't a March in 2017 or that people must have the same opinions and processes as they did 7 years ago ? No my point is that you're happy to use it as a source yourself when it suits you. I don't for a second doubt that there is fake news spread on twitter. Remember when we were told about beheaded babies and it spread like wild fire? My problem is when you imply that there's only fake news in one direction.
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Jun 7, 2024 18:46:16 GMT
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Post by themistocles on Jun 7, 2024 18:46:16 GMT
What point are you trying to make ? That there wasn't a March in 2017 or that people must have the same opinions and processes as they did 7 years ago ? No my point is that you're happy to use it as a source yourself when it suits you. I don't for a second doubt that there is fake news spread on twitter. Remember when we were told about beheaded babies and it spread like wild fire? My problem is when you imply that there's only fake news in one direction. Silly example as there was a alquids day March in 2017. And again your references a post from 7 years ago. I'm absolutely implying there's more disinformation from one side. Because I know there is..
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Post by gawa on Jun 7, 2024 18:49:33 GMT
No my point is that you're happy to use it as a source yourself when it suits you. I don't for a second doubt that there is fake news spread on twitter. Remember when we were told about beheaded babies and it spread like wild fire? My problem is when you imply that there's only fake news in one direction. Silly example as there was a alquids day March in 2017. And again your references a post from 7 years ago. I'm absolutely implying there's more disinformation from one side. Because I know there is.. Prove it then.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 7, 2024 18:53:59 GMT
No my point is that you're happy to use it as a source yourself when it suits you. I don't for a second doubt that there is fake news spread on twitter. Remember when we were told about beheaded babies and it spread like wild fire? My problem is when you imply that there's only fake news in one direction. Silly example as there was a alquids day March in 2017. And again your references a post from 7 years ago. I'm absolutely implying there's more disinformation from one side. Because I know there is.. You’ll be telling us those pesky Palestinians are giving up their land, olive groves and property to illegal settlers in the West Bank out of the goodness of their hearts next…….
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Post by gawa on Jun 7, 2024 19:03:44 GMT
I think the important thing is that it's not about who spreads the most disinformation. Hamas are a terrorist group. The IDF and Israel are the self proclaimed most moral army and democratic country in the middle east.
You expect it of hamas. You shouldn't expect it of Israel.
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Jun 8, 2024 14:01:32 GMT
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Post by musik on Jun 8, 2024 14:01:32 GMT
Interest replay of the EU Election debate atm on tv.
The Christ Democrats EU candidate says Israel is only defending themselves as a friendly nation against a terrorist organisation, which is Hamas, and what Israel does has nothing to do with Palestine at all. And that the left side politics only feeds a hate against jews, and that Gaza have never been occupied by Israel ever. She was very upset Israel is accused whatsoever. The Moderate Conservative says it's Hamas who must put down their weapons. In Malmoe and elsewhere people have celebrated each time children have been killed or raped by Hamas. The Conservative leader says the state Israel was once started to make sure jews will not be hunted again.
The communist left side have a different opinion.
So this is obviously a left-right topic.
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Jun 8, 2024 17:39:47 GMT
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Post by shedhateruk on Jun 8, 2024 17:39:47 GMT
Hostages rescued by the idf, Collateral damage. Comments awaited
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